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In a message dated 10/7/99 8:11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dehahn@...

writes:

<< then do a

real ear on your daughter. >>

Hello everyone.....I have been offline for a few days. Anyway...my daughters

teacher told me that she is concerned because she is not pleased with how my

daughter is responding to the FM unit....even one on one. They just got it

this year.....the Phonak Solaris system. What could be the cause? What type

of gain does it give? Will it be a lot different when we try out the Sensos

with it? Should I ask them to run tests? If so....what sort of stuff?

Thanks....totally new to this part of it.

Take care.....hope all is well

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My daughter has a Solaris system that was newly purchased 3 years ago. It

boots into her Resound hearing aid. We just had a meeting today to make a

decision on what to do about that system. It has been broke off and on for

the whole three years she has used it. The company has been very

unsupportive the whole time. We decided today to forget about that

particular company and go with another one. Good luck with yours!!!

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> From: Tazma24@...

> To: Listen-Uponelist

> Subject: Re: FM unit not helping?

> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 8:40 PM

>

> From: Tazma24@...

>

> In a message dated 10/7/99 8:11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dehahn@...

> writes:

>

> << then do a

> real ear on your daughter. >>

>

> Hello everyone.....I have been offline for a few days. Anyway...my

daughters

> teacher told me that she is concerned because she is not pleased with how

my

> daughter is responding to the FM unit....even one on one. They just got

it

> this year.....the Phonak Solaris system. What could be the cause? What

type

> of gain does it give? Will it be a lot different when we try out the

Sensos

> with it? Should I ask them to run tests? If so....what sort of stuff?

> Thanks....totally new to this part of it.

>

> Take care.....hope all is well

>

>

> > All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post

is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

copyright restrictions.

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My daughter has a Solaris system that was newly purchased 3 years ago. It

boots into her Resound hearing aid. We just had a meeting today to make a

decision on what to do about that system. It has been broke off and on for

the whole three years she has used it. The company has been very

unsupportive the whole time. We decided today to forget about that

particular company and go with another one. Good luck with yours!!!

----------

> From: Tazma24@...

> To: Listen-Uponelist

> Subject: Re: FM unit not helping?

> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 8:40 PM

>

> From: Tazma24@...

>

> In a message dated 10/7/99 8:11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dehahn@...

> writes:

>

> << then do a

> real ear on your daughter. >>

>

> Hello everyone.....I have been offline for a few days. Anyway...my

daughters

> teacher told me that she is concerned because she is not pleased with how

my

> daughter is responding to the FM unit....even one on one. They just got

it

> this year.....the Phonak Solaris system. What could be the cause? What

type

> of gain does it give? Will it be a lot different when we try out the

Sensos

> with it? Should I ask them to run tests? If so....what sort of stuff?

> Thanks....totally new to this part of it.

>

> Take care.....hope all is well

>

>

> > All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post

is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

copyright restrictions.

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My daughter has a Solaris system that was newly purchased 3 years ago. It

boots into her Resound hearing aid. We just had a meeting today to make a

decision on what to do about that system. It has been broke off and on for

the whole three years she has used it. The company has been very

unsupportive the whole time. We decided today to forget about that

particular company and go with another one. Good luck with yours!!!

----------

> From: Tazma24@...

> To: Listen-Uponelist

> Subject: Re: FM unit not helping?

> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 8:40 PM

>

> From: Tazma24@...

>

> In a message dated 10/7/99 8:11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dehahn@...

> writes:

>

> << then do a

> real ear on your daughter. >>

>

> Hello everyone.....I have been offline for a few days. Anyway...my

daughters

> teacher told me that she is concerned because she is not pleased with how

my

> daughter is responding to the FM unit....even one on one. They just got

it

> this year.....the Phonak Solaris system. What could be the cause? What

type

> of gain does it give? Will it be a lot different when we try out the

Sensos

> with it? Should I ask them to run tests? If so....what sort of stuff?

> Thanks....totally new to this part of it.

>

> Take care.....hope all is well

>

>

> > All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post

is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

copyright restrictions.

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My daughter has a Solaris system that was newly purchased 3 years ago. It

boots into her Resound hearing aid. We just had a meeting today to make a

decision on what to do about that system. It has been broke off and on for

the whole three years she has used it. The company has been very

unsupportive the whole time. We decided today to forget about that

particular company and go with another one. Good luck with yours!!!

----------

> From: Tazma24@...

> To: Listen-Uponelist

> Subject: Re: FM unit not helping?

> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 8:40 PM

>

> From: Tazma24@...

>

> In a message dated 10/7/99 8:11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dehahn@...

> writes:

>

> << then do a

> real ear on your daughter. >>

>

> Hello everyone.....I have been offline for a few days. Anyway...my

daughters

> teacher told me that she is concerned because she is not pleased with how

my

> daughter is responding to the FM unit....even one on one. They just got

it

> this year.....the Phonak Solaris system. What could be the cause? What

type

> of gain does it give? Will it be a lot different when we try out the

Sensos

> with it? Should I ask them to run tests? If so....what sort of stuff?

> Thanks....totally new to this part of it.

>

> Take care.....hope all is well

>

>

> > All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post

is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

copyright restrictions.

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My daughter has a Solaris system that was newly purchased 3 years ago. It

boots into her Resound hearing aid. We just had a meeting today to make a

decision on what to do about that system. It has been broke off and on for

the whole three years she has used it. The company has been very

unsupportive the whole time. We decided today to forget about that

particular company and go with another one. Good luck with yours!!!

----------

> From: Tazma24@...

> To: Listen-Uponelist

> Subject: Re: FM unit not helping?

> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 8:40 PM

>

> From: Tazma24@...

>

> In a message dated 10/7/99 8:11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dehahn@...

> writes:

>

> << then do a

> real ear on your daughter. >>

>

> Hello everyone.....I have been offline for a few days. Anyway...my

daughters

> teacher told me that she is concerned because she is not pleased with how

my

> daughter is responding to the FM unit....even one on one. They just got

it

> this year.....the Phonak Solaris system. What could be the cause? What

type

> of gain does it give? Will it be a lot different when we try out the

Sensos

> with it? Should I ask them to run tests? If so....what sort of stuff?

> Thanks....totally new to this part of it.

>

> Take care.....hope all is well

>

>

> > All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post

is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

copyright restrictions.

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My daughter has a Solaris system that was newly purchased 3 years ago. It

boots into her Resound hearing aid. We just had a meeting today to make a

decision on what to do about that system. It has been broke off and on for

the whole three years she has used it. The company has been very

unsupportive the whole time. We decided today to forget about that

particular company and go with another one. Good luck with yours!!!

----------

> From: Tazma24@...

> To: Listen-Uponelist

> Subject: Re: FM unit not helping?

> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 8:40 PM

>

> From: Tazma24@...

>

> In a message dated 10/7/99 8:11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dehahn@...

> writes:

>

> << then do a

> real ear on your daughter. >>

>

> Hello everyone.....I have been offline for a few days. Anyway...my

daughters

> teacher told me that she is concerned because she is not pleased with how

my

> daughter is responding to the FM unit....even one on one. They just got

it

> this year.....the Phonak Solaris system. What could be the cause? What

type

> of gain does it give? Will it be a lot different when we try out the

Sensos

> with it? Should I ask them to run tests? If so....what sort of stuff?

> Thanks....totally new to this part of it.

>

> Take care.....hope all is well

>

>

> > All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post

is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

copyright restrictions.

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My daughter has a Solaris system that was newly purchased 3 years ago. It

boots into her Resound hearing aid. We just had a meeting today to make a

decision on what to do about that system. It has been broke off and on for

the whole three years she has used it. The company has been very

unsupportive the whole time. We decided today to forget about that

particular company and go with another one. Good luck with yours!!!

----------

> From: Tazma24@...

> To: Listen-Uponelist

> Subject: Re: FM unit not helping?

> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 8:40 PM

>

> From: Tazma24@...

>

> In a message dated 10/7/99 8:11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dehahn@...

> writes:

>

> << then do a

> real ear on your daughter. >>

>

> Hello everyone.....I have been offline for a few days. Anyway...my

daughters

> teacher told me that she is concerned because she is not pleased with how

my

> daughter is responding to the FM unit....even one on one. They just got

it

> this year.....the Phonak Solaris system. What could be the cause? What

type

> of gain does it give? Will it be a lot different when we try out the

Sensos

> with it? Should I ask them to run tests? If so....what sort of stuff?

> Thanks....totally new to this part of it.

>

> Take care.....hope all is well

>

>

> > All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post

is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

copyright restrictions.

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My daughter has a Solaris system that was newly purchased 3 years ago. It

boots into her Resound hearing aid. We just had a meeting today to make a

decision on what to do about that system. It has been broke off and on for

the whole three years she has used it. The company has been very

unsupportive the whole time. We decided today to forget about that

particular company and go with another one. Good luck with yours!!!

----------

> From: Tazma24@...

> To: Listen-Uponelist

> Subject: Re: FM unit not helping?

> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 8:40 PM

>

> From: Tazma24@...

>

> In a message dated 10/7/99 8:11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dehahn@...

> writes:

>

> << then do a

> real ear on your daughter. >>

>

> Hello everyone.....I have been offline for a few days. Anyway...my

daughters

> teacher told me that she is concerned because she is not pleased with how

my

> daughter is responding to the FM unit....even one on one. They just got

it

> this year.....the Phonak Solaris system. What could be the cause? What

type

> of gain does it give? Will it be a lot different when we try out the

Sensos

> with it? Should I ask them to run tests? If so....what sort of stuff?

> Thanks....totally new to this part of it.

>

> Take care.....hope all is well

>

>

> > All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post

is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

copyright restrictions.

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My daughter has a Solaris system that was newly purchased 3 years ago. It

boots into her Resound hearing aid. We just had a meeting today to make a

decision on what to do about that system. It has been broke off and on for

the whole three years she has used it. The company has been very

unsupportive the whole time. We decided today to forget about that

particular company and go with another one. Good luck with yours!!!

----------

> From: Tazma24@...

> To: Listen-Uponelist

> Subject: Re: FM unit not helping?

> Date: Thursday, October 07, 1999 8:40 PM

>

> From: Tazma24@...

>

> In a message dated 10/7/99 8:11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dehahn@...

> writes:

>

> << then do a

> real ear on your daughter. >>

>

> Hello everyone.....I have been offline for a few days. Anyway...my

daughters

> teacher told me that she is concerned because she is not pleased with how

my

> daughter is responding to the FM unit....even one on one. They just got

it

> this year.....the Phonak Solaris system. What could be the cause? What

type

> of gain does it give? Will it be a lot different when we try out the

Sensos

> with it? Should I ask them to run tests? If so....what sort of stuff?

> Thanks....totally new to this part of it.

>

> Take care.....hope all is well

>

>

> > All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post

is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

copyright restrictions.

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In a message dated 10/8/99 9:28:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dehahn@...

writes:

<< then if the

ears are clear do unaided and aided testing. >>

Do they test the kids with the FM unit in the booth? Is it the same as

testing with the aids? Sorry for being ignorant. Should I request a real

ear measurement?

Thanks.

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The bottom line is have the audiologist do a round of tymps, then if the

ears are clear do unaided and aided testing.

Chris

At 09:40 PM 10/7/99 -0400, you wrote:

>From: Tazma24@...

>

>In a message dated 10/7/99 8:11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dehahn@...

>writes:

>

><< then do a

> real ear on your daughter. >>

>

>Hello everyone.....I have been offline for a few days. Anyway...my daughters

>teacher told me that she is concerned because she is not pleased with how my

>daughter is responding to the FM unit....even one on one. They just got it

>this year.....the Phonak Solaris system. What could be the cause? What type

>of gain does it give? Will it be a lot different when we try out the Sensos

>with it? Should I ask them to run tests? If so....what sort of stuff?

>Thanks....totally new to this part of it.

>

>Take care.....hope all is well

>

>

>>All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post

>is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

>copyright restrictions.

<< Christofer deHahn..................Manager, EDA Systems and Test >>

<< Quantum Corporation...........Shrewsbury, Massachusetts, USA >>

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In a message dated 10/8/99 10:22:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

semesky@... writes:

<< No, a real ear measure is not an appropriate

measure for an FM. You need to see what a child can hear without the fm and

how much improvement there is with one.

>>

Thanks !!! :) I will give the audie a call.

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First of all, an audiologist needs to come in and check the equipment to make

sure it's:

1) Functioning

2) Functioning in conjunction with her hearing aids

3) There's no interference distorting/over-riding the signal

If nothing is found to be wrong, then the aud needs to do a hearing assessment

with the fm and with the hearing aids alone. No, a real ear measure is not an

appropriate

measure for an FM. You need to see what a child can hear without the fm and how

much improvement there is with one.

Tazma24@... wrote:

> From: Tazma24@...

>

> In a message dated 10/7/99 8:11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dehahn@...

> writes:

>

> << then do a

> real ear on your daughter. >>

>

> Hello everyone.....I have been offline for a few days. Anyway...my daughters

> teacher told me that she is concerned because she is not pleased with how my

> daughter is responding to the FM unit....even one on one. They just got it

> this year.....the Phonak Solaris system. What could be the cause? What type

> of gain does it give? Will it be a lot different when we try out the Sensos

> with it? Should I ask them to run tests? If so....what sort of stuff?

> Thanks....totally new to this part of it.

>

> Take care.....hope all is well

>

>

> > All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is

the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright

restrictions.

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Absolutely, you can test with the FM in the booth, with or without DAI to

the hearing aids. A real ear is geared more towards what's being presented

to the child, not what the child is receiving, processing, and responding

to, but if you know what your child is getting in the canal with the aids,

then a real ear with the FM would be a logical comparison point.

Chris

At 09:53 PM 10/8/99 -0400, you wrote:

>From: Tazma24@...

>

>In a message dated 10/8/99 9:28:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dehahn@...

>writes:

>

><< then if the

> ears are clear do unaided and aided testing. >>

>

>Do they test the kids with the FM unit in the booth? Is it the same as

>testing with the aids? Sorry for being ignorant. Should I request a real

>ear measurement?

>

>Thanks.

>

>

>>All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post

>is the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to

>copyright restrictions.

<< Christofer deHahn..................Manager, EDA Systems and Test >>

<< Quantum Corporation...........Shrewsbury, Massachusetts, USA >>

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,

I made a mistake on the real ear part. is right...you can get good

results from real ear with the fm and it IS a valid way to go. I still stick to

the rest that I

posted. Sorry for the late night mixup.

Tazma24@... wrote:

> From: Tazma24@...

>

> In a message dated 10/8/99 10:22:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> semesky@... writes:

>

> << No, a real ear measure is not an appropriate

> measure for an FM. You need to see what a child can hear without the fm and

> how much improvement there is with one.

>

> >>

>

> Thanks !!! :) I will give the audie a call.

>

>

> > All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post is

the intellectual property of the author and therefore subject to copyright

restrictions.

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A Real Ear measurement uses a tiny, wired microphone inside the ear canal

to measure the actual response from the hearing aid on your child. The

standard way to set up a hearing aid is to use a small soundproof box with

a 2cc coupler, which assumes that the volume of your child's ear canal is

2cc. If the volume of your child's canal is smaller or larger than 2cc,

then the settings will not be optimal for your child's loss. The Real Ear

removes the guesswork of the ear canal volume by measuring the response

from inside the canal.

Chris

At 06:47 PM 10/9/99 -0400, you wrote:

>

>

>What does " real ear " refer to?

>

>Dana

>rodgers@...

>

>>All messages posted to this list are private and confidential. Each post

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>copyright restrictions.

<< Christofer deHahn..................Manager, EDA Systems and Test >>

<< Quantum Corporation...........Shrewsbury, Massachusetts, USA >>

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Hmm, I'm not sure I understand exactly. I'm thinking it's perhaps because my

daugher has a max conductive loss (with possibly a 15-20 dB sersorineuro loss as

well) due

to bilateral microtia/atresia. Previously, she had no ear canals.

However, last May she had reconstructive where the surgeon created a middle ear

space, middle ear bones, created an ear drum and open the external enterance to

her ear

on the left side. Unfortunately, excessive scar tissue caused the external

canal to close about 10 weeks post op. She's currently under-going injections

in an attempt

to shrink the scar tissue.

At 's last autiodgram (just last week) the result was the same as prior to

surgery -- with an additional 15dB + loss at 4000 Hz. No longer such a flat

loss. The

audiologist did test her using what I'm thinking was the " real ear " measure --

but with the canal closed the result was the same as standard air conduction for

.

was basically " late identified " as she spend her first 2 years 10 months

unaided in an orphanage in China. She'll be 4 in December but her hearing age

is about 8

months.

Any experience with similar conditions? Thanks in advance.

Dana

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Well last night was the schools Open House. I decided then was as good of

time as any to " listen " to the FM myself......UGH. It was sooo loud.....all

of it......I mean it was sort of distorted sounding.....and " everything " was

amplified...and this was on the setting for both the speakers voice and

enviromental....the one they primarily use. And the earmolds were button

type and VERY thick....I know I have put my daughters current molds in my ear

to listen to her aids.....and I could not even get close with these...I bet

they are not getting a good fit on her. Also....the volume was set at 5/6

for the right side and 4/5 for the left......her right ear is her better

ear.....why would they have that louder???? I tried to turn it down and it

would not turn.....she said it was set internally. Sigh. What should I do?

Also the teacher said they do not seem durable and that the front

switch....the one changing the setting its on (ie. env/speaker etc...) gets

bumped a lot....and moves.....she constantly needs to check it. Any

suggestions???

We are getting the Sensos tomorrow......will that help or hurt????

Thanks in advance......

ps. I am glad you guys know what you are doing! :)

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In a message dated 10/8/99 10:22:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

semesky@... writes:

<< 3) There's no interference distorting/over-riding the signal >>

What causes this? How do you fix it? It was NOT a good sound quality at all.

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In a message dated 10/13/99 5:18:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

gprogers@... writes:

<<

What kind of FM unit is this?

((Its the Phonak Solaris......what I found strange too.....and tell me if

this is " norm " ....the Microphone they were using were the OLD system (sorry

not sure what it was)...cream color.....and they dialed in the Solaris units

to the different microphones....by number. Is that right? Doesn't Solaris

make a microphone too??? Forgive me if these are stupid questions.))

Those button ear pieces are awful. I have

never seen one of those with good sound quality.

((This is what I thought too.....but I didn't " Know " that so I didn't bring

that up.....but if now I KNOW that to be true.....I will request the " better "

molds.))

There are lots of people

more knowledgeable than I on FM's but I know that it should either boot

into her hearing aid directly or she should have earmolds for the FM that

are custom made for her just the same as the one's she has for her hearing

aids. We get two sets now when we get earmolds done. One for the FM and

one for her aids. The school pays for the molds for the FM.

I am not familiar with the hearing aids you are getting but I would ask for

an audiological exam comparing the hearing aids and the fm. You need to

determine that she is properly aided in class. They should do testing that

compares her wearing the FM and hearing aids at the same time vs.. only fm.

The audiologist will make sure the FM is set properly for your daughter's

loss and that it is working correctly.

Who is responsible for the FM in your school? Where is the TOD? Where is

the audie?

Barb >> (( I guess a guy name .....and the audie Kate.....neither are

in the building.....sigh. The TOD was the one showing us it.....she is new

to it.....this is their first year using it.

Thanks Barb!

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>Well last night was the schools Open House. I decided then was as good of

>time as any to " listen " to the FM myself......UGH. It was sooo

loud.....all

>of it......I mean it was sort of distorted sounding.....and " everything "

was

>amplified...and this was on the setting for both the speakers voice and

>enviromental....the one they primarily use. And the earmolds were button

>type and VERY thick....I know I have put my daughters current molds in my

ear

>to listen to her aids.....and I could not even get close with these...I bet

>they are not getting a good fit on her. Also....the volume was set at 5/6

>for the right side and 4/5 for the left......her right ear is her better

>ear.....why would they have that louder???? I tried to turn it down and it

>would not turn.....she said it was set internally. Sigh. What should I

do?

>Also the teacher said they do not seem durable and that the front

>switch....the one changing the setting its on (ie. env/speaker etc...)

gets

>bumped a lot....and moves.....she constantly needs to check it. Any

>suggestions???

>

What kind of FM unit is this? Those button ear pieces are awful. I have

never seen one of those with good sound quality. There are lots of people

more knowledgeable than I on FM's but I know that it should either boot

into her hearing aid directly or she should have earmolds for the FM that

are custom made for her just the same as the one's she has for her hearing

aids. We get two sets now when we get earmolds done. One for the FM and

one for her aids. The school pays for the molds for the FM.

I am not familiar with the hearing aids you are getting but I would ask for

an audiological exam comparing the hearing aids and the fm. You need to

determine that she is properly aided in class. They should do testing that

compares her wearing the FM and hearing aids at the same time vs.. only fm.

The audiologist will make sure the FM is set properly for your daughter's

loss and that it is working correctly.

Who is responsible for the FM in your school? Where is the TOD? Where is

the audie?

Barb

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Our daughter is getting a different FM system this year, also. The new

system will not utilize her personal hearing aid, but will have an aid that

comes with the system. (Did I make myself clear there??) Anyway, I have

requested a hearing test with a system that boots into her personal hearing

aid vs a hearing test using the new system that has it's own aid. I want

to determine if NOT using her personal aid will allow her hearing to be as

good as USING her personal aid. Is this what you have suggested in this

other message below?

-> > I am not familiar with the hearing aids you are getting but I would

ask for

> an audiological exam comparing the hearing aids and the fm. You need to

> determine that she is properly aided in class. They should do testing

that

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