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Your poem reflects the feeling that our nadas are so cold, unfeeling,

selfish and hateful towards their own children that its hard to see

them as human.

I agree. I have often thought that the pds that lack empathy are

lacking an essential component of what makes us human beings.

Its almost like the " Cluster B " pds lack a soul, to speak metaphysically.

Thanks for sharing your poem.

-Annie

>

> Hi,

> I just stumbled across a poem I wrote when I was about 12 or 13, since

> then I have altered it a tad - as the years wore on - I'm at a place

> where I would like to share it

>

> " The Black Widow "

> It is not trickery that she possess....

> only a distasteful manner

> she does not believe in trickery..

> only in aggression and evil

> They will believe she is not dangerous

> simply kind at heart

> Oh, but they are fooled by the stupidity of man,

> for she is not a loving human

> They too will discover feelings toward her hardened and lost soul...

> but these will never be responded due to the hatred amidst her heart

> speak only truthfully, yet quietly...as she does not speak with a

> truthful mouth

> she may scorn your soul, leaving you placid and helpless to the

> eventual surrender of her evil

> You abide by her remedy of judgment and stand .... alone...

> helpless once again as her shadow fades leaving you with emptiness and

> regret

> although she will hear you call again for love and comfort

> you must never seek it as you will reignite her spiteful and unkind

words

> in the hope of filling an emotional void

>

> ...her hideous face lies beneath a layer of burning coal...

> living up to her expectations was always impossible

>

> all you can do is run from a locked away world to freedom..

>

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Your poem is very interesting to me. I have been trying to tap into

my dreams, to allow my subconscious to speak to me through them.

Ignore me if this is too freaky for you. I always thought that I was

a very intuitive person, but recently I self-discovered that I am not

intuitive; I am extremely good at reading body language. Reading body

language is not so much intuition as it is sensing. We all know why

a daughter of a nada might be good at reading body language. ;) At

any rate, prompted by this self discovery, I have been paying

attention to my dreams as a way for my intuition/inner wisdom to come

through. I recently had a dream about a black spider, and when I

looked it up on the dream dictionary it said that a spider " could "

represent a strong, controlling female figure. So, interesting....

> >

> > Hi,

> > I just stumbled across a poem I wrote when I was about 12 or 13,

since

> > then I have altered it a tad - as the years wore on - I'm at a

place

> > where I would like to share it

> >

> > " The Black Widow "

> > It is not trickery that she possess....

> > only a distasteful manner

> > she does not believe in trickery..

> > only in aggression and evil

> > They will believe she is not dangerous

> > simply kind at heart

> > Oh, but they are fooled by the stupidity of man,

> > for she is not a loving human

> > They too will discover feelings toward her hardened and lost

soul...

> > but these will never be responded due to the hatred amidst her

heart

> > speak only truthfully, yet quietly...as she does not speak with a

> > truthful mouth

> > she may scorn your soul, leaving you placid and helpless to the

> > eventual surrender of her evil

> > You abide by her remedy of judgment and stand .... alone...

> > helpless once again as her shadow fades leaving you with

emptiness and

> > regret

> > although she will hear you call again for love and comfort

> > you must never seek it as you will reignite her spiteful and

unkind

> words

> > in the hope of filling an emotional void

> >

> > ...her hideous face lies beneath a layer of burning coal...

> > living up to her expectations was always impossible

> >

> > all you can do is run from a locked away world to freedom..

> >

>

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I understand that, and no what you are saying is not too 'out there'.

My dreams are hugely intuitive and leading in my life. Nada would

always tell me to forget them, but my father is the opposite (very

self aware and done lots of therapy in his life, needless to say has

not been with my nada for about 30yrs!)

Poetry and journalling are my way of letting out my emotions

healthily. My father encourages me to do this too. Poetry - if thats

what you can call it - comes to me in random moments, words just seem

to flow and lead their own way, I never put conscious thought into

them. Its my only self-therapy that works, for me. I rarely if ever

share them with anyone else. So this poem was big for me to share and

only did so for those who may identify with it :-)

Hey, interesting about the spider thing!! That title was just a random

thought!! I never knew about its resemblence. Often I have fantasised

about reading this 'poem' out as an eulogy (spelling?) at nadas

funeral! Can you imagine the faces!!

x

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I don't think you'll ever read that poem to a more understanding

group of people than those of us who have been down that same

road with our own nadas. Thank you so much for sharing that with

us. It deeply touched me and resonated deep inside me.

**hug**

>

> Hi,

> I just stumbled across a poem I wrote when I was about 12 or 13,

since

> then I have altered it a tad - as the years wore on - I'm at a place

> where I would like to share it

>

> " The Black Widow "

> It is not trickery that she possess....

> only a distasteful manner

> she does not believe in trickery..

> only in aggression and evil

> They will believe she is not dangerous

> simply kind at heart

> Oh, but they are fooled by the stupidity of man,

> for she is not a loving human

> They too will discover feelings toward her hardened and lost soul...

> but these will never be responded due to the hatred amidst her heart

> speak only truthfully, yet quietly...as she does not speak with a

> truthful mouth

> she may scorn your soul, leaving you placid and helpless to the

> eventual surrender of her evil

> You abide by her remedy of judgment and stand .... alone...

> helpless once again as her shadow fades leaving you with emptiness

and

> regret

> although she will hear you call again for love and comfort

> you must never seek it as you will reignite her spiteful and unkind

words

> in the hope of filling an emotional void

>

> ...her hideous face lies beneath a layer of burning coal...

> living up to her expectations was always impossible

>

> all you can do is run from a locked away world to freedom..

>

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Just coincidentally, I have pretty severe arachnophobia...

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > > I just stumbled across a poem I wrote when I was about 12 or

13,

> since

> > > then I have altered it a tad - as the years wore on - I'm at a

> place

> > > where I would like to share it

> > >

> > > " The Black Widow "

> > > It is not trickery that she possess....

> > > only a distasteful manner

> > > she does not believe in trickery..

> > > only in aggression and evil

> > > They will believe she is not dangerous

> > > simply kind at heart

> > > Oh, but they are fooled by the stupidity of man,

> > > for she is not a loving human

> > > They too will discover feelings toward her hardened and lost

> soul...

> > > but these will never be responded due to the hatred amidst her

> heart

> > > speak only truthfully, yet quietly...as she does not speak with

a

> > > truthful mouth

> > > she may scorn your soul, leaving you placid and helpless to the

> > > eventual surrender of her evil

> > > You abide by her remedy of judgment and stand .... alone...

> > > helpless once again as her shadow fades leaving you with

> emptiness and

> > > regret

> > > although she will hear you call again for love and comfort

> > > you must never seek it as you will reignite her spiteful and

> unkind

> > words

> > > in the hope of filling an emotional void

> > >

> > > ...her hideous face lies beneath a layer of burning coal...

> > > living up to her expectations was always impossible

> > >

> > > all you can do is run from a locked away world to freedom..

> > >

> >

>

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I agree, I could relate to it too - thanks for sharing it.

> >

> > Hi,

> > I just stumbled across a poem I wrote when I was about 12 or 13,

> since

> > then I have altered it a tad - as the years wore on - I'm at a

place

> > where I would like to share it

> >

> > " The Black Widow "

> > It is not trickery that she possess....

> > only a distasteful manner

> > she does not believe in trickery..

> > only in aggression and evil

> > They will believe she is not dangerous

> > simply kind at heart

> > Oh, but they are fooled by the stupidity of man,

> > for she is not a loving human

> > They too will discover feelings toward her hardened and lost

soul...

> > but these will never be responded due to the hatred amidst her

heart

> > speak only truthfully, yet quietly...as she does not speak with a

> > truthful mouth

> > she may scorn your soul, leaving you placid and helpless to the

> > eventual surrender of her evil

> > You abide by her remedy of judgment and stand .... alone...

> > helpless once again as her shadow fades leaving you with

emptiness

> and

> > regret

> > although she will hear you call again for love and comfort

> > you must never seek it as you will reignite her spiteful and

unkind

> words

> > in the hope of filling an emotional void

> >

> > ...her hideous face lies beneath a layer of burning coal...

> > living up to her expectations was always impossible

> >

> > all you can do is run from a locked away world to freedom..

> >

>

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I'm glad that you felt close enough to share this poem. Thank you.

Randi Kreger

Randi @BPDCentral.com

www.BPDCentral.com

* NEW! Author, The Essential Family Guide to Borderline Personality

Disorder: New Tools and Techniques to Stop Walking on Eggshells

>

> Hi,

> I just stumbled across a poem I wrote when I was about 12 or 13,

since

> then I have altered it a tad - as the years wore on - I'm at a place

> where I would like to share it

>

> " The Black Widow "

> It is not trickery that she possess....

> only a distasteful manner

> she does not believe in trickery..

> only in aggression and evil

> They will believe she is not dangerous

> simply kind at heart

> Oh, but they are fooled by the stupidity of man,

> for she is not a loving human

> They too will discover feelings toward her hardened and lost soul...

> but these will never be responded due to the hatred amidst her heart

> speak only truthfully, yet quietly...as she does not speak with a

> truthful mouth

> she may scorn your soul, leaving you placid and helpless to the

> eventual surrender of her evil

> You abide by her remedy of judgment and stand .... alone...

> helpless once again as her shadow fades leaving you with emptiness

and

> regret

> although she will hear you call again for love and comfort

> you must never seek it as you will reignite her spiteful and unkind

words

> in the hope of filling an emotional void

>

> ...her hideous face lies beneath a layer of burning coal...

> living up to her expectations was always impossible

>

> all you can do is run from a locked away world to freedom..

>

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You so captured the feelings and the reactions of a bp mother.

I think it is so good you can express yourself this way- and though

it is not easy- I think it is important for all of us to release what

we are feeling- and this is such a constructive way to do it!

Blessings for your keen insights,

Malinda

In WTOAdultChildren1 , " bpdcentral "

wrote:

>

> I'm glad that you felt close enough to share this poem. Thank you.

>

> Randi Kreger

> Randi @BPDCentral.com

> www.BPDCentral.com

> * NEW! Author, The Essential Family Guide to Borderline Personality

> Disorder: New Tools and Techniques to Stop Walking on Eggshells

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi,

> > I just stumbled across a poem I wrote when I was about 12 or 13,

> since

> > then I have altered it a tad - as the years wore on - I'm at a

place

> > where I would like to share it

> >

> > " The Black Widow "

> > It is not trickery that she possess....

> > only a distasteful manner

> > she does not believe in trickery..

> > only in aggression and evil

> > They will believe she is not dangerous

> > simply kind at heart

> > Oh, but they are fooled by the stupidity of man,

> > for she is not a loving human

> > They too will discover feelings toward her hardened and lost

soul...

> > but these will never be responded due to the hatred amidst her

heart

> > speak only truthfully, yet quietly...as she does not speak with a

> > truthful mouth

> > she may scorn your soul, leaving you placid and helpless to the

> > eventual surrender of her evil

> > You abide by her remedy of judgment and stand .... alone...

> > helpless once again as her shadow fades leaving you with

emptiness

> and

> > regret

> > although she will hear you call again for love and comfort

> > you must never seek it as you will reignite her spiteful and

unkind

> words

> > in the hope of filling an emotional void

> >

> > ...her hideous face lies beneath a layer of burning coal...

> > living up to her expectations was always impossible

> >

> > all you can do is run from a locked away world to freedom..

> >

>

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Thank you for sharing this poem with us, it resonated with many of my

thought, feelings and intuitions too. Especially the cycle of hoping

for comfort and care, while knowing better, and then the bitter

disappointment again are very recognizable. It is heart breaking that

a young girl has to be that wise in life already!

When we moved to our new house two months ago, I came across my

eldest childhood poems. The very first one I ever wrote, in a very

solemn tone because I probably thought that poetry had to be like

that :), also made a weird impression on me while rereading it after

so many years. It talks very convincingly of the beauty of nature and

life, the quiet and harmony; and then a sudden upheaval, disturbance,

I call it " as if the devil wispers something into your ear " ; and

the " you " in the poem, guess whom I addressed, turns into a witch, a

demon out of control. Hmmm -- I wonder where an 11 year old would get

these " fantasies " ...

I am happy for you that you also find a way of channelling thoughts

and emotions through writing, it is for me also my best way of

expressing myself -- apparently already so since my first poem...

>

> Hi,

> I just stumbled across a poem I wrote when I was about 12 or 13,

since

> then I have altered it a tad - as the years wore on - I'm at a place

> where I would like to share it

>

> " The Black Widow "

> It is not trickery that she possess....

> only a distasteful manner

> she does not believe in trickery..

> only in aggression and evil

> They will believe she is not dangerous

> simply kind at heart

> Oh, but they are fooled by the stupidity of man,

> for she is not a loving human

> They too will discover feelings toward her hardened and lost soul...

> but these will never be responded due to the hatred amidst her heart

> speak only truthfully, yet quietly...as she does not speak with a

> truthful mouth

> she may scorn your soul, leaving you placid and helpless to the

> eventual surrender of her evil

> You abide by her remedy of judgment and stand .... alone...

> helpless once again as her shadow fades leaving you with emptiness

and

> regret

> although she will hear you call again for love and comfort

> you must never seek it as you will reignite her spiteful and unkind

words

> in the hope of filling an emotional void

>

> ...her hideous face lies beneath a layer of burning coal...

> living up to her expectations was always impossible

>

> all you can do is run from a locked away world to freedom..

>

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