Re: 911:: Possible mental subjects

[Guest guest]

Hi, my name is , I'm a police dispatcher in Memphis. Our policy is we

make them possible mental patients. More times than not we're right. There

was one instance I labeled a call that way, and the woman wasn't crazy, but

she sure sounded crazy. I would much rather have the officer, that is

trained to deal w/mental patients on the scene. We have had too many

instances where we know the subj is mental, and the officers call for help.

[Guest guest]

The police agency I didspatch for part-time we use the code " Possible

10-99 " . That keys the officer that something might be off there. They

appreciate it and the public doesn't think we are stereo typing

Jeff Noonan

14-42

[Guest guest]

I wonder what the legalities really are. Our crisis intervention commander

would prefer that we say mental consumer instead of mental patient, but we

don't. You cant put out about medical conditions, because of some many

lawsuits brought against hospitals, that were publicly displaying that info.

But our dept. is different, the officers don't have the calls on their

laptops, and they have to get the info somewhere. And if a CIT officer

doesn't make the sc w/2 other officers a LT or Major has to make the sc.

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 02:24:19 -0500, " Noonan, Jeff "

said:

> The police agency I didspatch for part-time we use the code " Possible

> 10-99 " . That keys the officer that something might be off there. They

> appreciate it and the public doesn't think we are stereo typing

I just tell them the subject is nuttier than a shithouse rat.....

Bill

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[Guest guest]

>The police agency I didspatch for part-time we use the code " Possible

10-99 " . That keys the officer that something might be off there. They

appreciate it and the public doesn't think we are stereo typing<

I'd really like to hear more on this... particularly the legal aspects of

it.

We all know that you can't dispatch (even using code) AIDS and

certain other medical information.

Do these same legal issues come into play on mental disabilities?

I coded it for years.... but now I wonder... wouldn't the same confidential

issues apply?

Weintraut

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[Guest guest]

In Monmouth County the same thing is done. The officers will be advised

that the subject is " a possible 10-37, " or " is 10-37 " if there is a

history. Sometimes this is a judgement by the call taker, but more often

it is because of information supplied by the caller (e.g. a family member).

At 26-01-03 02:24, you wrote:

>The police agency I didspatch for part-time we use the code " Possible

>10-99 " . That keys the officer that something might be off there. They

>appreciate it and the public doesn't think we are stereo typing

>

>Jeff Noonan

>14-42

[Guest guest]

NYPD uses the term " EDP " (Emotionally Disturbed Person) to indettify those

jobs where the individual clould be a possible mental case. Also NYPD

includes on its EDP responses and most other jobs the term " unconfirmed " or

" unverified " because of the very high number of false jobs called in.

[Guest guest]

--- " W.S. Blevins " wrote:

> I just tell them the subject is nuttier than a

> shithouse rat.....

I laughed so hard, I fell off my chair!! Thanks, Bill.

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Kim

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Tulsa, OK

[Guest guest]

--- wrote:

> I coded it for years.... but now I wonder...

> wouldn't the same confidential

> issues apply?

I think saying " possible mental " is different because

it's an opinion, not a statement of a persons medical

condition. Anyone listening is going to infer the

same hearing that the person is seeing invisible

people or aliens or thinks the government is tapping

into his brain. You're gonna have to tell the

officers that, otherwise, they're gonna wonder why you

are seding them. Of course, the officers can infer

possible mental from that, too. But, you gotta call

it something.

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Kim

I make a difference

Tulsa, OK

[Guest guest]

I just say, " 1 Adam 12, see the man watching dustballs grow under his

console " ....they get the idea right away.....I've described the actions that

prompted the dispatch.....I didn't call it, or code it, anything........

Bob

[Guest guest]

I dispatch for an EMS agency, we cover a large urban city with a

number of pts who have a history of mental illness. I can dispatch at

least 6 calls in shift for psych type calls. We have to address scene

safety issues all the time with these calls. If the patient is

violent we will have the crew stage away for PD, otherwise we

dispatch them to the scene. When dispatching we use Psych Eval. Its

not saying the patient is crazy or not, simple eval for psychiatric

problems.

>We were having a discussion at out Comm.. Ctr. as to whether or not to tell

>officers that the caller might have a mental problem due to speaking on the

>phone led you to that conclusion. Does any center have a procedure to let

>officers know that they are going to a person who might be a few marble

>short of a full bag? If they talk about invisible beings, we usually pass

>that along as a hint that the person has a problem.

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[Guest guest]

We used to use 400 codes, and 441 was our code for mental. We sometimes

will say mental and sometimes old habits slip in and we'll say 441. We got

to where if they were really, really nutz we'd say they were 882--double

441! Once had one of our regulars call in, told us that the officers

usually said " code 441 " and it made the things go away... :-)

Kim

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[Guest guest]

From the rescue side of things we took in a patient who turned out was a

mental subject. First time i've taken this person in so I think we'll be

back. We called dispatch and let them know this person is nut case. Sometimes

dispatch will tell us to call them when we get to our station and we call.

They do that to give us better directions too sometimes so I don't think

public knows why they want us to call them. I'm not sure how they dispatch a

call like that to the deputy but I know there is a 10-99 code as well.

Tammy