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April,

Hi, and welcome to the CHARGE list. Wow, you have a lot on your plate right

now! First of all, congratulations on your beautiful new daughter, I love her

name! :)

Regarding the CHARGE diagnosis - I think you need to get to a geneticist who

is familiar with CHARGE. The coloboma is definitely a " red light " for CHARGE

but a geneticist can best answer your questions. What are Zoey's outer ears

like? Has the ENT checked for any choanal atresia or narrowing? It's hard to

say for sure, especially just from reading email - it's definitely best that a

professional make the call.

I would imagine Zoey's heart problems are not helping with her lack of

growth, I'm sure she will start to gain after surgery, although kids with CHARGE

can have a hard time with growth. I would definitely ask the cardiologist that

question, and if she is NOT growing after her heart surgery, I would check with

my pediatrician about getting referred to an endocrinologist. I know how

frustrating people's questions are when they mistake your child for younger,

etc. Most of the time people don't mean anything by it, but it can be

frustrating, especially when you're having " one of those days " .

I don't think I've ever advised someone to see so many doctors in one email!

I hope you aren't too overwhelmed...that's what I would do with regards to the

questions you asked about. This must all be a little mind boggling at the

moment (I'm still boggled at times but manage to keep my head on straight most

of the time now) but things will eventually calm down for you & your family

April - even though it may not seem like it right now.

Please keep us posted and stick with the hearing aides, the earlier and more

consistently you keep them on, the better!!!

~ Weir

Mom to Kennedy, 5yr old CHARGEr, 13, 11, and wife to Graeme

Saint , New Brunswick, Canada

Visit the Weir Family Website - http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/gweir

CHARGE Syndrome Canada - http://www.chargesyndrome.ca

My daughter Zoey (this is kind of long..sorry)

Hello All,

I tried to send a message the other day, but I am new to the list and

must have done it WRONG :) So it never got to you all. My name is

April and I am a single mother of 2 awesome kids. My son is 6 and my

daughter is 2mos old. Zoey was born at 37 weeks and weighed 6lbs 9oz

and was 21 in long. She was apparently healthy and we went home on

christmas day :) (what a great gift!!) As we were leaving, the

hospital said wait they had forgotten to do the newborn hearing

screening test. We came back in and the test was done. Zoey failed

the test. They told me not to worry, and that because Zoey was born

via c-section...that it was just fluid in her ears that hadn't

cleared out. WRONG! After all kinds of testing, Zoey has been found

to be profoundly deaf in both ears.

Just on a hunch, her ENT referred her to an opthalmologist for

evaluation. On accident we were referred to a pediatric retina

specialist. (Good thing too) Zoey was diagnosed with coloboma of the

retina in the right eye. The left appears normal. When Zoey went in

for her 2 month check the other day, the doctor discovered a heart

murmur that was very loud and now Zoey has an enlarged liver too. (I

have an appt today with the pediatric cardiologist, and tomorrow with

the genetics doctor for a full eval.) To top it all off, Zoey only

weighs 7lbs 12oz now. Her head is concidered abnormally small and she

is not on the chart at all :(

This sounds like CHARGE syndrome to me...but I thought I'd ask you

parents out there what you thought. This is all so new to me, that it

is nice to be able to talk with other that have children in her same

situation. Zoey got her hearing aides a few weeks ago, but she hates

wearing them. She is really sensitive and they annoy her :) We wear

them anyways!!

I have another question..Once her heart problem is fixed (if it needs

to be) Does that mean that she will grow? I get so frustrated with

people asking me how many days old she is. :( I feel like saying 3

days old..when in actuality she is more like 70 days old.

Thanks for listening to me. Sincerely, April (Mom of Jordan and Zoey)

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My goodness. Good for you for searching out possibilities for your

daughter. It is hard for us on the list to say yes or no is it CHARGE, but

there is info to share with your doctors.

Many doctors still rely on outdated diagnostic criteria when considering

CHARGE. The CHARGE manual from our foundation has updated information on

diagnosing CHARGE, plus lots of other information. If that is not an option

now, I would recommend the doctors read the article by Dr. Blake et al that

covers the new diagnostic criteria. n do you have the reference?

Second you sound like a mom who is looking for what you can do and is

willing to take action right away. The agency that has provided me with the

most support was my state's Deafblind Project. Every state has one. Many

of us do not get connected with this agency right away because of the term

deafblind. Deafblind does not mean totally deaf and totally blind, but

refers instead to the impact of combined vision and hearing loss. This is a

unique field that has valuable information for helping our children with

combines sensory losses learn. If you are not in the states, I would still

look into deafblind resources.

Good luck and enjoy your precious baby.

Kim

Mom to Dylan 6 CHARGE, Kayla 12, Tyler 14

On 3/4/03 11:36 AM, " Lirpaloof "

wrote:

> Hello All,

> I tried to send a message the other day, but I am new to the list and

> must have done it WRONG :) So it never got to you all. My name is

> April and I am a single mother of 2 awesome kids. My son is 6 and my

> daughter is 2mos old. Zoey was born at 37 weeks and weighed 6lbs 9oz

> and was 21 in long. She was apparently healthy and we went home on

> christmas day :) (what a great gift!!) As we were leaving, the

> hospital said wait they had forgotten to do the newborn hearing

> screening test. We came back in and the test was done. Zoey failed

> the test. They told me not to worry, and that because Zoey was born

> via c-section...that it was just fluid in her ears that hadn't

> cleared out. WRONG! After all kinds of testing, Zoey has been found

> to be profoundly deaf in both ears.

> Just on a hunch, her ENT referred her to an opthalmologist for

> evaluation. On accident we were referred to a pediatric retina

> specialist. (Good thing too) Zoey was diagnosed with coloboma of the

> retina in the right eye. The left appears normal. When Zoey went in

> for her 2 month check the other day, the doctor discovered a heart

> murmur that was very loud and now Zoey has an enlarged liver too. (I

> have an appt today with the pediatric cardiologist, and tomorrow with

> the genetics doctor for a full eval.) To top it all off, Zoey only

> weighs 7lbs 12oz now. Her head is concidered abnormally small and she

> is not on the chart at all :(

> This sounds like CHARGE syndrome to me...but I thought I'd ask you

> parents out there what you thought. This is all so new to me, that it

> is nice to be able to talk with other that have children in her same

> situation. Zoey got her hearing aides a few weeks ago, but she hates

> wearing them. She is really sensitive and they annoy her :) We wear

> them anyways!!

> I have another question..Once her heart problem is fixed (if it needs

> to be) Does that mean that she will grow? I get so frustrated with

> people asking me how many days old she is. :( I feel like saying 3

> days old..when in actuality she is more like 70 days old.

> Thanks for listening to me. Sincerely, April (Mom of Jordan and Zoey)

>

>

>

> Membership of this email support groups does not constitute membership in the

> CHARGE Syndrome Foundation.

> For information about the CHARGE Syndrome

> Foundation or to become a member (and get the newsletter)

> please contact marion@... or visit

> the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation web page

> at http://www.chargesyndrome.org

> 6th International CHARGE Syndrome Conference, Cleveland, Ohio,

> July 25-27, 2003. Information will be available at our website

> www.chargesyndrome.org or by calling 1-.

>

>

>

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Hi April,

We have a 7 month old little Charge guy. He was born at 33 weeks and has had

a fairly tough road thus far. He is eating about half orally and half

through the g-tube and we monitor his calories very close. Without the

G-tube, he would not eat enough to gain weight. He has gained at the same

speed as the growth chart since he was 6 pounds and out of the hospital. (he

was born at 4 lbs.) He is proportionate, but looks like a 3 or 4 month old

right now at 12 lbs. We usually just say he's 3 months old.

The endocrinologist at LA Children's Hospital has tested his growth hormones

and they have been normal. There is MUCH information about this subject on

this server. As far as I've conclude from all the letters and articles and

doctors... basically it's going to be very hard to tell how big a Charge kid

will be. They still don't know if it's a genetic trait or if the physical

disabilities inhibit the growth and they are the only factor. We are doing

what we can to keep him growing. We welcome every wrinkle and dimple that he

gets now.

We are not going to give in to the idea that it's genetic yet and we will

keep pushin the food in. We are off the breast milk and mix our formula just

a little bit strong to give him more calories.

I hope this helps a little. There are very few definitive answers out there,

unfortunately.

Bo , son and wife

Santa Barbara

My daughter Zoey (this is kind of long..sorry)

Hello All,

I tried to send a message the other day, but I am new to the list and

must have done it WRONG :) So it never got to you all. My name is

April and I am a single mother of 2 awesome kids. My son is 6 and my

daughter is 2mos old. Zoey was born at 37 weeks and weighed 6lbs 9oz

and was 21 in long. She was apparently healthy and we went home on

christmas day :) (what a great gift!!) As we were leaving, the

hospital said wait they had forgotten to do the newborn hearing

screening test. We came back in and the test was done. Zoey failed

the test. They told me not to worry, and that because Zoey was born

via c-section...that it was just fluid in her ears that hadn't

cleared out. WRONG! After all kinds of testing, Zoey has been found

to be profoundly deaf in both ears.

Just on a hunch, her ENT referred her to an opthalmologist for

evaluation. On accident we were referred to a pediatric retina

specialist. (Good thing too) Zoey was diagnosed with coloboma of the

retina in the right eye. The left appears normal. When Zoey went in

for her 2 month check the other day, the doctor discovered a heart

murmur that was very loud and now Zoey has an enlarged liver too. (I

have an appt today with the pediatric cardiologist, and tomorrow with

the genetics doctor for a full eval.) To top it all off, Zoey only

weighs 7lbs 12oz now. Her head is concidered abnormally small and she

is not on the chart at all :(

This sounds like CHARGE syndrome to me...but I thought I'd ask you

parents out there what you thought. This is all so new to me, that it

is nice to be able to talk with other that have children in her same

situation. Zoey got her hearing aides a few weeks ago, but she hates

wearing them. She is really sensitive and they annoy her :) We wear

them anyways!!

I have another question..Once her heart problem is fixed (if it needs

to be) Does that mean that she will grow? I get so frustrated with

people asking me how many days old she is. :( I feel like saying 3

days old..when in actuality she is more like 70 days old.

Thanks for listening to me. Sincerely, April (Mom of Jordan and Zoey)

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Hello, and welcome to the list!!! you will find that if indeed Zoey has

CHARGE she will be like the rest of our little darlings and will do things

in her own way, at her own pace, and she will be one of the most delightful

and strong willed children ever!!! My son has always grown very slowly, and

has never been on the charts--head size or otherwise or he's been at the 5th

percentile, but as long as he followed his own curve the dr. was ok with it.

My son hasn't had heart or liver issues so I can't help you with that. My

best advice is take it one day at a time, be happy you have found this list

now--my son was 3 before I found it--you will find them a great source of

support and knowledge.

again--welcome and if you can attend the CHARGE conference this summer it is

a great source of support and knowledge and a feeling of belonging that

cannot be expressed in words.

maria mom to timmy 7.5 ChARGE, keegan almost 5 liam 2 and wife to pat

nj

My daughter Zoey (this is kind of long..sorry)

> Hello All,

> I tried to send a message the other day, but I am new to the list and

> must have done it WRONG :) So it never got to you all. My name is

> April and I am a single mother of 2 awesome kids. My son is 6 and my

> daughter is 2mos old. Zoey was born at 37 weeks and weighed 6lbs 9oz

> and was 21 in long. She was apparently healthy and we went home on

> christmas day :) (what a great gift!!) As we were leaving, the

> hospital said wait they had forgotten to do the newborn hearing

> screening test. We came back in and the test was done. Zoey failed

> the test. They told me not to worry, and that because Zoey was born

> via c-section...that it was just fluid in her ears that hadn't

> cleared out. WRONG! After all kinds of testing, Zoey has been found

> to be profoundly deaf in both ears.

> Just on a hunch, her ENT referred her to an opthalmologist for

> evaluation. On accident we were referred to a pediatric retina

> specialist. (Good thing too) Zoey was diagnosed with coloboma of the

> retina in the right eye. The left appears normal. When Zoey went in

> for her 2 month check the other day, the doctor discovered a heart

> murmur that was very loud and now Zoey has an enlarged liver too. (I

> have an appt today with the pediatric cardiologist, and tomorrow with

> the genetics doctor for a full eval.) To top it all off, Zoey only

> weighs 7lbs 12oz now. Her head is concidered abnormally small and she

> is not on the chart at all :(

> This sounds like CHARGE syndrome to me...but I thought I'd ask you

> parents out there what you thought. This is all so new to me, that it

> is nice to be able to talk with other that have children in her same

> situation. Zoey got her hearing aides a few weeks ago, but she hates

> wearing them. She is really sensitive and they annoy her :) We wear

> them anyways!!

> I have another question..Once her heart problem is fixed (if it needs

> to be) Does that mean that she will grow? I get so frustrated with

> people asking me how many days old she is. :( I feel like saying 3

> days old..when in actuality she is more like 70 days old.

> Thanks for listening to me. Sincerely, April (Mom of Jordan and Zoey)

>

>

>

> Membership of this email support groups does not constitute membership in

the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation.

> For information about the CHARGE Syndrome

> Foundation or to become a member (and get the newsletter)

> please contact marion@... or visit

> the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation web page

> at http://www.chargesyndrome.org

> 6th International CHARGE Syndrome Conference, Cleveland, Ohio,

> July 25-27, 2003. Information will be available at our website

> www.chargesyndrome.org or by calling 1-.

>

>

>

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April,

Hello and welcome to the list ...First of all the large liver goes

with the heart issues (witch I was told is a good thing because it means

the liver is doing what it can to make up for the heart) Yes having

heart probelms fixed helps with growth to a certain point ...My son had

his second heart surgery in november ( he is 17 months old ) and he

started growing not as fast as a " normal " baby but faster then he was

now is n growth hormones he is really growing (he is actually fitting

some clothes that are 12 monhs LOL) get used to the people thinking she

is younger then she is.. It gets really funny when they start doing

things that are age approprate and are half the size they should be then

people think you have a baby genuise LOL

, mom to and baby # 2 who I think wants to be born

today.....

http://community.webtv.net/maryechick12/

http://community.webtv.net/maryechick12/pets

http://community.webtv.net/maryechick12/birthdayboy

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April, A few more things to have checked out to be sure it's CHARGE; kidney

ultrasound, as already mentioned-the atresia/stenosis issue and while the

look of the ears can be very telling, also check to see if she has

semi-circular canals or not. If not, feeding will become an issue (not to

scare you any more, but you didn't mention feeding) as well as balance of

course... We all know that your head is spinning, but hang in there. Best

of luck.

Barbara-mom of (CHARGE) just turned 9 and Rose 13

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Hi April,

Welcome to the list.

Kay the old lady CHARGEr

My daughter Zoey (this is kind of long..sorry)

> Hello All,

> I tried to send a message the other day, but I am new to the list and

> must have done it WRONG :) So it never got to you all. My name is

> April and I am a single mother of 2 awesome kids. My son is 6 and my

> daughter is 2mos old. Zoey was born at 37 weeks and weighed 6lbs 9oz

> and was 21 in long. She was apparently healthy and we went home on

> christmas day :) (what a great gift!!) As we were leaving, the

> hospital said wait they had forgotten to do the newborn hearing

> screening test. We came back in and the test was done. Zoey failed

> the test. They told me not to worry, and that because Zoey was born

> via c-section...that it was just fluid in her ears that hadn't

> cleared out. WRONG! After all kinds of testing, Zoey has been found

> to be profoundly deaf in both ears.

> Just on a hunch, her ENT referred her to an opthalmologist for

> evaluation. On accident we were referred to a pediatric retina

> specialist. (Good thing too) Zoey was diagnosed with coloboma of the

> retina in the right eye. The left appears normal. When Zoey went in

> for her 2 month check the other day, the doctor discovered a heart

> murmur that was very loud and now Zoey has an enlarged liver too. (I

> have an appt today with the pediatric cardiologist, and tomorrow with

> the genetics doctor for a full eval.) To top it all off, Zoey only

> weighs 7lbs 12oz now. Her head is concidered abnormally small and she

> is not on the chart at all :(

> This sounds like CHARGE syndrome to me...but I thought I'd ask you

> parents out there what you thought. This is all so new to me, that it

> is nice to be able to talk with other that have children in her same

> situation. Zoey got her hearing aides a few weeks ago, but she hates

> wearing them. She is really sensitive and they annoy her :) We wear

> them anyways!!

> I have another question..Once her heart problem is fixed (if it needs

> to be) Does that mean that she will grow? I get so frustrated with

> people asking me how many days old she is. :( I feel like saying 3

> days old..when in actuality she is more like 70 days old.

> Thanks for listening to me. Sincerely, April (Mom of Jordan and Zoey)

>

>

>

> Membership of this email support groups does not constitute membership in

the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation.

> For information about the CHARGE Syndrome

> Foundation or to become a member (and get the newsletter)

> please contact marion@... or visit

> the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation web page

> at http://www.chargesyndrome.org

> 6th International CHARGE Syndrome Conference, Cleveland, Ohio,

> July 25-27, 2003. Information will be available at our website

> www.chargesyndrome.org or by calling 1-.

>

>

>

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Hi again :)

My daughter saw the cardiologist yesterday and he said that she has two very

small ventricular septum defects. He said that there is no way that those little

holes are causing the enlarged liver or spleen. He reasurred me that the little

holes were probably going to close on their own and scheduled a recheck in 6

mos. The EKG was essentially normal :) YEAH!

Zoey saw the geneticist today. I mentioned the possibility of charge syndrome

and she said that Zoey's ears looked normal so that she didn't think that it was

CHARGE. She said that Zoey seemed very nicely formed and that there weren't any

physical characteristics on her that were abnormal. She thought that her small

size might just be the way that she is and that she will go through a growth

spurt. She ordered a chromosomal test to see what that shows but she said that

she didn't think Zoey had a syndrome. She said that it might just be a

coincidence that she has the little heart defect, the coloboma, the profound

hearing loss and the small size issue. I am not sure that coincidence is a word

that I would concider :) There must be something out there that causes these

things all together. She mentioned that usually CHARGE kids have choanal

atresia.

Well, I will see what happens when I get the test results in 3 weeks or so.

Thanks for the warm welcome :) Sincerely, April (Mom to Zoey 2mos and Jordan

6yrs)

Re: My daughter Zoey (this is kind of long..sorry)

April,

Hello and welcome to the list ...First of all the large liver goes

with the heart issues (witch I was told is a good thing because it means

the liver is doing what it can to make up for the heart) Yes having

heart probelms fixed helps with growth to a certain point ...My son had

his second heart surgery in november ( he is 17 months old ) and he

started growing not as fast as a " normal " baby but faster then he was

now is n growth hormones he is really growing (he is actually fitting

some clothes that are 12 monhs LOL) get used to the people thinking she

is younger then she is.. It gets really funny when they start doing

things that are age approprate and are half the size they should be then

people think you have a baby genuise LOL

, mom to and baby # 2 who I think wants to be born

today.....

http://community.webtv.net/maryechick12/

http://community.webtv.net/maryechick12/pets

http://community.webtv.net/maryechick12/birthdayboy

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In a message dated 3/5/03 6:34:33 PM Central Standard Time,

jordansmom@... writes:

> She mentioned that usually CHARGE kids have choanal atresia.

>

This is not a must! My son had no choanal atresia though he did have a cleft

lip which is mentioned in this same area of defects.

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April, I tend to agree about the second opinion too. My son has normal

ears, and definitely has charge. no major health issues except choanal

atreasia and hearing. I guess for me it would be peace of mind. good news

about the heart though, keep us up to date!!

maria, mom to timmy 7.5 ChARGE, keegan 5 on 3/20, liam 2, wife to pat

Re: My daughter Zoey (this is kind of long..sorry)

>

>

> April,

> Hello and welcome to the list ...First of all the large liver goes

> with the heart issues (witch I was told is a good thing because it means

> the liver is doing what it can to make up for the heart) Yes having

> heart probelms fixed helps with growth to a certain point ...My son had

> his second heart surgery in november ( he is 17 months old ) and he

> started growing not as fast as a " normal " baby but faster then he was

> now is n growth hormones he is really growing (he is actually fitting

> some clothes that are 12 monhs LOL) get used to the people thinking she

> is younger then she is.. It gets really funny when they start doing

> things that are age approprate and are half the size they should be then

> people think you have a baby genuise LOL

>

> , mom to and baby # 2 who I think wants to be born

> today.....

>

> http://community.webtv.net/maryechick12/

> http://community.webtv.net/maryechick12/pets

>

> http://community.webtv.net/maryechick12/birthdayboy

>

>

>

>

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