Guest guest Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 I'm having a really bad brain day, so not much is making sense to me today. I have seen several of you talk about " self-medicating " and adjusting your Armour. Can you get Armour without a prescription? I take so many other medications, I'm not sure I could actually adjust the thyroid meds on my own, but I am interested in knowing my options in case I am unable to convince my doctors to try the Armour or at least to try adding Cytomel. When I broached the subject, they both pretty much blew me off and acted like they couldn't believe I would want to even try the Armour. SIGH. Any information you can share with me would be much appreciated! I feel like I am slipping fast back to my worst state where I was not able to function at all on many days, and only barely able to function on my best days, and I sure don't want to get all the way back to that point before I change something!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 Jo, I am self-treating out of necessity, due to no insurance, lack of funds to go to a couple of doctors 50 miles away, that I think MIGHT be a fit for me. So, you see, those are my reasons. It's not that I don't want a good doc, but they are few and far between that know the right protocol for thyroid disease, and so few understand the extreme value of a T4-T3 natural substance that has been around for 100 yrs or so. You can see by my posts today the trouble I've been having making adjustments, but I don't know whether it would have been any different, as far as thyroid meds, had I been going to a doctor to adjust these things. I do know that I need a scan, more than likely, so I'm really not being cavalier about self treating. Some things require a doctor, let's face it. Now having said that, I do order my Armour from overseas, having ordered it both from Mexico and England. An excellent authority on the sbjct has been saying that Armour seems to be being backordered, due to changes going on at Forest. I have written them a letter and received a response from an admin sbjct, who is referring me to the pharmacist specialist there. I haven't rec'v'd a reply yet. The issue seems to be that there may be some formula changes going on there, both with Thyrolar and, supposedly, Armour. I voiced my upset about this, when I made the enquiry, but have not received an answer yet. That was a few days ago, so I don't know what's going on yet. BTW, it IS legal to order a personal supply of pharmaceutical prescription drugs from certain countries, as long as it is a personal supply (not for resale), and is not any more than a 90-day supply. Narcotics and other Class I, II, and III drugs are illegal to get, nonprescription, shipped into this country. I've been ordering my daughter's synthetic T4 med and my Armour from both places for the last 6 months or so. Would you believe it's been legal since 1988 to do so, but of course, there hasn't been a whole lot of advertising about it over time. Tx Aaaauuuggghhhh! > I'm having a really bad brain day, so not much is making sense to me > today. I have seen several of you talk about " self-medicating " and > adjusting your Armour. Can you get Armour without a prescription? I > take so many other medications, I'm not sure I could actually adjust > the thyroid meds on my own, but I am interested in knowing my options > in case I am unable to convince my doctors to try the Armour or at > least to try adding Cytomel. When I broached the subject, they both > pretty much blew me off and acted like they couldn't believe I would > want to even try the Armour. SIGH. > > Any information you can share with me would be much appreciated! I > feel like I am slipping fast back to my worst state where I was not > able to function at all on many days, and only barely able to > function on my best days, and I sure don't want to get all the way > back to that point before I change something!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 , Thanks so much for the info!! I am going to try again to convince my docs to do something, but this is nice to know in case. I still don't have the results of the TSH, T3 and T4 I had drawn last week as my PCP is in Nicaragua this week, but after reading all I have the last few days, I'm not holding out as much hope that they will be out of whack just because I'm feeling so badly. If they come back " normal, " I am going to ask that he run the Free T3 and Free T4 as has been suggested. I have not had my thyroglobulin and thyroid peroxidase tests run in almost 3 years, but my rheumatologist had to send those to a lab in California (I'm in Indiana), so I'm not sure he will be anxious to run those again. I can always ask, though! My son has an appointment with the rheumatologist in April, so I am also going to ask that they run them on him, since he is EXACTLY like me healthwise (poor thing), and has RA, positive ANA, low C4, etc., and seems to have autoimmune problems in general like I do. Thanks again for all the information and support! Although I've been a little overwhelmed by it all (partly because of my brain fog and not feeling well), it's SO nice to talk to others who are so knowledgeable about the subject and UNDERSTAND!!!! Jo > Jo, I am self-treating out of necessity, due to no insurance, lack of funds > to go to a couple of doctors 50 miles away, that I think MIGHT be a fit for > me. So, you see, those are my reasons. It's not that I don't want a good > doc, but they are few and far between that know the right protocol for > thyroid disease, and so few understand the extreme value of a T4-T3 natural > substance that has been around for 100 yrs or so. You can see by my posts > today the trouble I've been having making adjustments, but I don't know > whether it would have been any different, as far as thyroid meds, had I been > going to a doctor to adjust these things. I do know that I need a scan, > more than likely, so I'm really not being cavalier about self treating. > Some things require a doctor, let's face it. Now having said that, I do > order my Armour from overseas, having ordered it both from Mexico and > England. An excellent authority on the sbjct has been saying that Armour > seems to be being backordered, due to changes going on at Forest. I have > written them a letter and received a response from an admin sbjct, who is > referring me to the pharmacist specialist there. I haven't rec'v'd a reply > yet. The issue seems to be that there may be some formula changes going on > there, both with Thyrolar and, supposedly, Armour. I voiced my upset about > this, when I made the enquiry, but have not received an answer yet. That > was a few days ago, so I don't know what's going on yet. BTW, it IS legal > to order a personal supply of pharmaceutical prescription drugs from certain > countries, as long as it is a personal supply (not for resale), and is not > any more than a 90-day supply. Narcotics and other Class I, II, and III > drugs are illegal to get, nonprescription, shipped into this country. I've > been ordering my daughter's synthetic T4 med and my Armour from both places > for the last 6 months or so. Would you believe it's been legal since 1988 > to do so, but of course, there hasn't been a whole lot of advertising about > it over time. > > > Tx > > Aaaauuuggghhhh! > > > > I'm having a really bad brain day, so not much is making sense to me > > today. I have seen several of you talk about " self-medicating " and > > adjusting your Armour. Can you get Armour without a prescription? I > > take so many other medications, I'm not sure I could actually adjust > > the thyroid meds on my own, but I am interested in knowing my options > > in case I am unable to convince my doctors to try the Armour or at > > least to try adding Cytomel. When I broached the subject, they both > > pretty much blew me off and acted like they couldn't believe I would > > want to even try the Armour. SIGH. > > > > Any information you can share with me would be much appreciated! I > > feel like I am slipping fast back to my worst state where I was not > > able to function at all on many days, and only barely able to > > function on my best days, and I sure don't want to get all the way > > back to that point before I change something!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 Jo, you can have those two antibodies tests done thru HealthCheck for $60 or so. You just type in your location, to see where your most local Lab1 place would be to get your blood draw. You can do it online or call them to order the testing, pay for it right there, they will send the paperwork, then you take the papers to wherever you're getting your blood drawn locally, say " LabOne " , and they will do the draw. Actually, there is a LabOne card attached to the paper work anyway. HealthCheck has even been on the national news because of their services. I'm not sure, but I think that they are on a cash or credit card (or debit card) basis-only, but as cheap as they are, it's worth it. I haven't had the antibodies done in so many yrs yet because I've been concentrating on the Free values and costs for such, but it's time I had it done. Tx Re: Aaaauuuggghhhh! > , > > Thanks so much for the info!! I am going to try again to convince my > docs to do something, but this is nice to know in case. I still > don't have the results of the TSH, T3 and T4 I had drawn last week as > my PCP is in Nicaragua this week, but after reading all I have the > last few days, I'm not holding out as much hope that they will be out > of whack just because I'm feeling so badly. If they come > back " normal, " I am going to ask that he run the Free T3 and Free T4 > as has been suggested. I have not had my thyroglobulin and thyroid > peroxidase tests run in almost 3 years, but my rheumatologist had to > send those to a lab in California (I'm in Indiana), so I'm not sure > he will be anxious to run those again. I can always ask, though! My > son has an appointment with the rheumatologist in April, so I am also > going to ask that they run them on him, since he is EXACTLY like me > healthwise (poor thing), and has RA, positive ANA, low C4, etc., and > seems to have autoimmune problems in general like I do. > > Thanks again for all the information and support! Although I've been > a little overwhelmed by it all (partly because of my brain fog and > not feeling well), it's SO nice to talk to others who are so > knowledgeable about the subject and UNDERSTAND!!!! > > Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 Thanks again for the wealth of information! > Jo, you can have those two antibodies tests done thru HealthCheck for $60 or > so. You just type in your location, to see where your most local Lab1 place > would be to get your blood draw. You can do it online or call them to order > the testing, pay for it right there, they will send the paperwork, then you > take the papers to wherever you're getting your blood drawn locally, say > " LabOne " , and they will do the draw. Actually, there is a LabOne card > attached to the paper work anyway. HealthCheck has even been on the > national news because of their services. I'm not sure, but I think that > they are on a cash or credit card (or debit card) basis-only, but as cheap > as they are, it's worth it. I haven't had the antibodies done in so many > yrs yet because I've been concentrating on the Free values and costs for > such, but it's time I had it done. > > > Tx > > > Re: Aaaauuuggghhhh! > > > > , > > > > Thanks so much for the info!! I am going to try again to convince my > > docs to do something, but this is nice to know in case. I still > > don't have the results of the TSH, T3 and T4 I had drawn last week as > > my PCP is in Nicaragua this week, but after reading all I have the > > last few days, I'm not holding out as much hope that they will be out > > of whack just because I'm feeling so badly. If they come > > back " normal, " I am going to ask that he run the Free T3 and Free T4 > > as has been suggested. I have not had my thyroglobulin and thyroid > > peroxidase tests run in almost 3 years, but my rheumatologist had to > > send those to a lab in California (I'm in Indiana), so I'm not sure > > he will be anxious to run those again. I can always ask, though! My > > son has an appointment with the rheumatologist in April, so I am also > > going to ask that they run them on him, since he is EXACTLY like me > > healthwise (poor thing), and has RA, positive ANA, low C4, etc., and > > seems to have autoimmune problems in general like I do. > > > > Thanks again for all the information and support! Although I've been > > a little overwhelmed by it all (partly because of my brain fog and > > not feeling well), it's SO nice to talk to others who are so > > knowledgeable about the subject and UNDERSTAND!!!! > > > > Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2004 Report Share Posted March 17, 2004 There are a few of us that self-medicate, myself because I don't have insurance and can't afford to even see a good doc to get a prescription - forget about going through a dozen to find a good one... There are several places on the internet to order Armour without a prescription and one place in the US that offers a non-prescription strength thyroid glandular.. it's the one that I started on. The options exist to get your own meds.... and even to order your own labs.... You'll find links in the links section off the group home page.... http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/ Topper () *self medicating since July '02* On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:03:03 -0000 " jookeefe_1960 " writes: > I'm having a really bad brain day, so not much is making sense to me > today. I have seen several of you talk about " self-medicating " and > adjusting your Armour. Can you get Armour without a prescription? > I take so many other medications, I'm not sure I could actually adjust > the thyroid meds on my own, but I am interested in knowing my options > in case I am unable to convince my doctors to try the Armour or at > least to try adding Cytomel. When I broached the subject, they both > pretty much blew me off and acted like they couldn't believe I would > want to even try the Armour. SIGH. > Any information you can share with me would be much appreciated! I > feel like I am slipping fast back to my worst state where I was not > able to function at all on many days, and only barely able to > function on my best days, and I sure don't want to get all the way > back to that point before I change something!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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