Re: Digest Number 1336 MARION/HEATHER

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In a message dated 1/27/01 10:34:46 PM Mountain Standard Time,

diabetes_int writes:

<< Explaining, negotiating, coaching, encouraging,educating, coaxing,

cajoling, pleading, reinforcing are much better ways of helping her.

>>

Wow, n, thank you for that post. It really was a soothing balm. I am

one of those who agree w/the statement I quoted from your post. And I was

touched at your kind willingness to put it out there to actually help her.

I'm not like in all ways. I have NO question why my sugars bounce,

or stay high now. Because of the 2 diabetic lists I am on, I have seen the

situation I am dealing with (gastroparesis) --and all these years, I thought

I was crazy. For YEARS, the doc just dismissed my " complaints " of a full

stomach even the morning after a meal.

I agree with the people who are open enough to admit, not all bodies are

alike, and react differently to different foods. However, I also would like

to insert another piece of the puzzle. It is not just what you are eating,

it is also what is eating you! Well, that's my opinion, from monitoring

myself not only after foods, but, after life situations. So...

, consider keeping tract of what is happening, as well as what you are

eating.

ce/the olde crow

" Although the world is full of suffering, it is also full

of the overcoming of it. " -- Helen Keller

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Hi;

Yes, I would love to help anytime and if I can. I have gotten help

in ways I never expected and from sources I never hoped for. What goes

around comes around.

On the subject of gastroparesis, that is a big one. I was told that children

and newly diagnosed diabetics NEVER have this complication. But when I took

my son to see Dr. Bernstein, he diagnosed gastroparesis right away. Until

this day, the only explanation for my son's erratic sugar at dinner time

(when insulin resistance is high and digestion harder) is gastroparesis.

Bernstein did a test that showed some damage to the vagus nerve which

controls digestion. No one here in L.A. (no one of the " diabetes experts " )

believes Bernstein.

My son takes Propulsid before dinner which aids digetive action. Without the

Propulsid, his sugar drops hugely after dinner and even after taking glucose

tabs, sugar drops again and again ( no matter how much glucose we give)

because NO food gets out of the stomach.

If he takes the Propulsid and HCL/pepsin ( a digestive enzyme) he can digest

part of his meal and with insulin, his sugar is okay for an hour or two.

Then, between two and two and half hours after the meal his sugar jumps at

least 100 points because more the dinner is finally digested. So he goes

like this Predinner 80. Without insulin his sugar will rise 40 points and

than about another 40. Injecting insulin will lower him to normal for an hour

or two and then about three hours after dinner he jumps to 200 or more. That

my friend, is only gastroparesis. Most people have a peak of sugar and

digestion one hour after a meal and that is when the peak of Humalog insulin

is. Not so for my kid. So we have been working on splitting the dose to be

timed with insulin.

Well, enough of that.

BE WELL and keep in touch

n

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In a message dated 1/28/01 1:16:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

drmarion122@... writes:

<< On the subject of gastroparesis, that is a big one. I was told that

children

and newly diagnosed diabetics NEVER have this complication. But when I took

my son to see Dr. Bernstein, he diagnosed gastroparesis right away. >>

Hmm regarding Gastroparesis, i think i have just the opposite... i eat and

like an hour later my stomach is empty... i often have diarrhea, from the

food going thru me toooo fast... even before glucophage.

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Well digestive problems can really interfere with b.g. control. If you empty

right away, then you might inded feel like eating, especially if there is a

big dose of insulin floating around in there from the food and maybe the

insulin makes you hypo and then you will feel hungry. One of the signs of a

hypo is ravenous hunger. Maybe you should ask your doc for a G.I workup.

n

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In a message dated 01-01-28 20:36:28 EST, you write:

<< hypo and then you will feel hungry. >>

I've heard this before -- that a hypo makes you hungry. I've had many a hypo

but never had that particular symptom. (Actually I have hypo unawareness,

which is another problem) Vicki

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In a message dated 1/28/01 9:33:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, whimsy2@...

writes:

<< << hypo and then you will feel hungry. >> >>

Dr. Bernstein's three cardinal rules. He makes you write them down while he

watches.

1) Never be afraid to call

2) Never correct a high sugar before the previous insulin has finished ( 4hrs

H 5hrs R)

3) If you are hungry, check your sugar.

Why do you have hypo unawareness?

n

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> Hmm regarding Gastroparesis, i think i have just the opposite... i eat and

> like an hour later my stomach is empty... i often have diarrhea, from the

> food going thru me toooo fast... even before glucophage.

>

**** I use acidopholus on a regular basis for these sorts of

problems. And when the horses get the runs, I feed it to them as well. It

does seem to help.

Barb

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In a message dated 01-01-29 01:09:25 EST, you write:

<< Why do you have hypo unawareness? >>

From what I've read, this occurs after a diabetic has had lots of hypos.

Guess Before Ron I had lots of hypos...to the point where I could not feel

them even when got down to high 40s. Lower than 45, I feel them. But of

course I rarely go that low now, tho I still have occassional mild hypos and

still don't feel them. Vicki