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Hello I to am new to this Charge List too I have a 9yr old with a trach he

has had it since two months old it is a lot of work at the beggining but as

time goes on you will get used to it and now to me it is a piece af cake. My

husband and are even considering forter care (I would love to take care of

another child with a trach). Hope you dont think I am crazy. Keep in touch.

Debbie McCormick

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Hi Suzanne,

My name is and I have twin Chargers that are 5. I do not have any

experience or advice to offer you about a Trach, but I can talk to you about

having " DOUBLE " Chargers!! We welcome you to the list and I am sure you will

find it most helpful.

Murray

mom to twin Chargers and and wife to Jay

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Dear Suzanne,

I thought I was the only Dutch person on this service.It is great. I

follow the communication between parents and professionals because it

gives me as a scientist a lot of information about the management

problems of children with Charge.Moreover it helps me to prepare my

contribution as a key note speaker for the next charge conference in

Cleveland.There is a lot of knowledge on Charge children in the

Netherlands. Dr Mrianne Vink is doing some excellent work in this area

and also Dr Admiraal who is a consultant for Viataal (formely

IvD) at Sint-Michielsgestel.

I am an expert in the area of behavior management ( my new cd rom will

deal with this matter). I am leaving my office for a while, but I will

be back in 4 weeks from now. I am happy to assist you with your

questions.

Jan van Dijk (prof.dr)

two CHARGE children

Hi,

I am Dutch newcomer to this list. I have two sons with CHARGE, Daniël

and . Both have different symptoms. My youngest is 18 months

and has a tracheo stoma. Does anybody of you has experience with

either two charge-childeren or one with a trach? I think it is a hell

of a job, but I don't have to tell you this!

Another question: my oldest (5 years) used to ask one question a

thousand times. It has become less since he is at school. But he

still does. Does or did any of your children show the same behaviour?

Have you made up an explanation for it?

Well, so far...thank you! Suzanne

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in the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation. For information about the CHARGE

Syndrome

Foundation or to become a member (and get the newsletter) please contact

marion@... or visit

the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation web page

at http://www.chargesyndrome.org

6th International CHARGE Syndrome Conference, Cleveland, Ohio, July

25-27, 2003. Information will be available at our website

www.chargesyndrome.org or by calling 1-.

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Welcome, Suzanne,

There are several people on this list or who have been on this list who

have two children with CHARGE. I don't have two children with CHARGE,

but it was thought that I lost a twin during the first 2 months of

gestation when I was pregnant with my daughter, Kendra. Kendra did have

a trach for 3 years due to a narrow trachea, most specifically

sub-glottic stenosis. She was found at two years of age to have a

double aortic arch. Once the double aortic arch was repaired, she

healed and was able to have the trach removed at three years of age.

The double aortic arch did not show up on an ECHO, but did show on an

angiogram. The narrowing created by the double aortic arch showed on a

barium swallow and looked like a 'hairpin' like turn.

Trachs are very difficult for some and not so difficult for others. For

us it was difficult because sometimes the tracheotomy blocked our

daughter's airway. Her airway has always been very delicate.

The repeating of questions may be related to some obsessive-compulsive

behavior. It may be something else as well. Our daughter has obsessive

compulsive disorder that responds somewhat to serotonin therapy. Some

people believe that obsessive-compulsive disorder and tics may be

related to strep infection. The jury is not in on that one yet, but if

you are interested, there is information on the PANDAS website which

talks about immune issues and strep.

There is an interesting book that talks about serotonin deficiency and

other conditions called: The Schwarzbein Principle. It is written by

Dr. Schwarzbein who is a sister-in-law of a CHARGE mom on this

list. Her name is Barbra Mousouris and she mentioned this book which I

find extremely interesting. It is available through Amazon. If you

don't find symptoms in the book that relate to your children, you just

might find symptoms in the book that relate to you or a relative. It is

about gaining good health through nutrition and being aware of many

things to avoid. There is an accompanying cook book. She recommends

adequate protein, fats, and limited carbohydrates. She also is certain

sugar is extremely bad for the system. She doesn't like artificial

foods either. She healed herself of many problems and in the process

wrote this book about what she has learned. She is an endocrinologist.

I am always interested in people from the Netherlands as many of my

relatives came from there. :-) When I visited Amsterdam people kept

asking me if I am Dutch.

What other symptoms do your two boys have? How are they doing with

communication?

Best wishes and welcome again to this list.

Mom to Kendra, and Camille

two CHARGE children

Hi,

I am Dutch newcomer to this list. I have two sons with CHARGE, Daniël

and . Both have different symptoms. My youngest is 18 months

and has a tracheo stoma. Does anybody of you has experience with

either two charge-childeren or one with a trach? I think it is a hell

of a job, but I don't have to tell you this!

Another question: my oldest (5 years) used to ask one question a

thousand times. It has become less since he is at school. But he

still does. Does or did any of your children show the same behaviour?

Have you made up an explanation for it?

Well, so far...thank you! Suzanne

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Suzanne, welcome to the list. I only have one CHARGER, but that is enough

most days. He is 7 and on the milder end of the spectrum ---all things

considered. But he too, asks numerous questions over and over and over and

.......you get the idea. Usually why ?'s, or what a re we going to do

......it could be a week from monday--needs to know what is happening and

even if he knows, he still asks. I think it's a charge thing--maybe I'm

wrong, but my other two are not like that.

again welcome, I waasn't any help I'm sure, but your not in the boat alone.

mom to Timmy 7 ChARGE, keegan 4 3/4, liam 2 wife to pat

two CHARGE children

> Hi,

> I am Dutch newcomer to this list. I have two sons with CHARGE, Daniël

> and . Both have different symptoms. My youngest is 18 months

> and has a tracheo stoma. Does anybody of you has experience with

> either two charge-childeren or one with a trach? I think it is a hell

> of a job, but I don't have to tell you this!

>

> Another question: my oldest (5 years) used to ask one question a

> thousand times. It has become less since he is at school. But he

> still does. Does or did any of your children show the same behaviour?

> Have you made up an explanation for it?

>

> Well, so far...thank you! Suzanne

>

>

> Membership of this email support groups does not constitute membership in

the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation.

> For information about the CHARGE Syndrome

> Foundation or to become a member (and get the newsletter)

> please contact marion@... or visit

> the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation web page

> at http://www.chargesyndrome.org

> 6th International CHARGE Syndrome Conference, Cleveland, Ohio,

> July 25-27, 2003. Information will be available at our website

> www.chargesyndrome.org or by calling 1-.

>

>

>

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Aubrie is like this too. I hadn't really thought much about it being a CHARGE

thing -- but perhaps it is. She usually knows the answer to her questions.

I'll just turn it back to her and she'll answer it for herself. I wonder if

it's just a way to keep conversation going or something. It's cute sometimes

and annoying sometimes. Mostly it's just tiring. Anyway -- I was interested to

see that it is common among our kids. As as you said, , my other child and

all of the preschoolers I taught weren't like that -- at least not to the same

degree.

Michele W

mom to Aubrie (5 yrs)

Re: two CHARGE children

Suzanne, welcome to the list. I only have one CHARGER, but that is enough

most days. He is 7 and on the milder end of the spectrum ---all things

considered. But he too, asks numerous questions over and over and over and

......you get the idea. Usually why ?'s, or what a re we going to do

.....it could be a week from monday--needs to know what is happening and

even if he knows, he still asks. I think it's a charge thing--maybe I'm

wrong, but my other two are not like that.

again welcome, I waasn't any help I'm sure, but your not in the boat alone.

mom to Timmy 7 ChARGE, keegan 4 3/4, liam 2 wife to pat

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Hi Suzanne,

I have a 2 1/2 year old daughter with Charge and she has a trach as well as

a g-tube along with all of the other things that go with our beautiful children.

It is overwhelming at times like you already know that and I cannot imagine have

2 children with charge. You are a real straong woman.

Take care,

Valentine

two CHARGE children

Hi,

I am Dutch newcomer to this list. I have two sons with CHARGE, Daniël

and . Both have different symptoms. My youngest is 18 months

and has a tracheo stoma. Does anybody of you has experience with

either two charge-childeren or one with a trach? I think it is a hell

of a job, but I don't have to tell you this!

Another question: my oldest (5 years) used to ask one question a

thousand times. It has become less since he is at school. But he

still does. Does or did any of your children show the same behaviour?

Have you made up an explanation for it?

Well, so far...thank you! Suzanne

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Suzanne,

Welcome to the list! I can't even imagine doing this double time, you must be

exhausted!!! I don't have trach experience but the question over and over and

over again, I DEFINITELY have experience with...

I would answer her maybe about 3 times, trying to make sure she really could

hear/see the answer, and once I was sure that I had gotten through, I would tell

her.. " Okay, Mommy is going to answer you ONE MORE TIME, and then it's FINISHED "

and then I would answer her, then say & sign " finished " and then COMPLETELY

ignore the question (it got really bad in the car but has since gotten better).

I would start talking about something else (trees, cars, houses, anything) until

she would stop. Good luck, I know it's difficult dealing with the repetitive

questioning...

~ Weir

Mom to Kennedy, 4yr old CHARGEr, 13, 11, and wife to Graeme

New Brunswick, Canada

Visit the Weir Website: http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/gweir

ICQ# 1426476

two CHARGE children

Hi,

I am Dutch newcomer to this list. I have two sons with CHARGE, Daniël

and . Both have different symptoms. My youngest is 18 months

and has a tracheo stoma. Does anybody of you has experience with

either two charge-childeren or one with a trach? I think it is a hell

of a job, but I don't have to tell you this!

Another question: my oldest (5 years) used to ask one question a

thousand times. It has become less since he is at school. But he

still does. Does or did any of your children show the same behaviour?

Have you made up an explanation for it?

Well, so far...thank you! Suzanne

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Hi Suzanne,

Welcome to the list.

My 6 year old CHARGEr would obsess over certain things. When she was younger she

would ask " how old are

you? " a million times. On professional advice we stopped reacting to this. Just

ignored it. She stopped!!

I'm not sure how much of that was 4 year old and how much was CHARGE.....

Anne, mom of Penina (CHARGE, 6)

" suzannekuik " wrote:

> Hi,

> I am Dutch newcomer to this list. I have two sons with CHARGE, Daniël

> and . Both have different symptoms. My youngest is 18 months

> and has a tracheo stoma. Does anybody of you has experience with

> either two charge-childeren or one with a trach? I think it is a hell

> of a job, but I don't have to tell you this!

>

> Another question: my oldest (5 years) used to ask one question a

> thousand times. It has become less since he is at school. But he

> still does. Does or did any of your children show the same behaviour?

> Have you made up an explanation for it?

>

> Well, so far...thank you! Suzanne

>

> Membership of this email support groups does not constitute membership in the

CHARGE Syndrome Foundation.

> For information about the CHARGE Syndrome

> Foundation or to become a member (and get the newsletter)

> please contact marion@... or visit

> the CHARGE Syndrome Foundation web page

> at http://www.chargesyndrome.org

> 6th International CHARGE Syndrome Conference, Cleveland, Ohio,

> July 25-27, 2003. Information will be available at our website

> www.chargesyndrome.org or by calling 1-.

>

>

>

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Hi everybody,

Thank you so much for all your replies! I should have subscribed much

earlier...

I tell you shortly about my two CHarge-sons.

Daniël is five years now. He was born with a Tetralogy of Fallot, a

doule sided cleft (lip/palate/jaw). At two years he got a facial

palsy. He has a grow deficiency (looks like a two year old), and

developed a speech problem. Fortunatley we taught him to sign as soon

as he was ten months old. And over the last year his speech has

become more understandable. He is very persistent of character, sweet

and cheerful, but difficult to lead him to other ideas... As I said

in my former mail, he suffered a great deal of this repetitive

questioning, though it seems to disappears slowly since he went to a

school (of children with difficulty learning). And he has the G (very

little genitals).

HE also developed, very young, an interest for girl's cloths, and for

some months he wanted to be called 'girl', he would tell everybody

that he was a girl and even used the bathroom in a girl's way. We

allowed him to dress up at home, but had terrible mornings when he

had to get dressed as a boy to go to school or outside. The

compromise was taht he was allowed to choose some trousers that he

liked, and indeed they were a bit girlish. Has any of your children

the same interest?

I thought raising Daniël was the toughest thing to do. But all his

handicaps were nothing compared to those of his little brother

JOnathan, who was born with a connection between his air pipe and

oesphagus. When operated on this with four days, both his vocal cords

turned out to be paralysed, so that's why he got a trach, which he

won't get rid of in the next ten years. has one C, his other

eye seems to function okay. He is deaf at one ear and got an hearing

aid in his other when he was three months old. Though we sign with

him all the time, he does not make signs himself. He seems to

understand some of the signs we make. He is still not able to sit,

and he started crawling backwards on his back only two months ago. He

has a feeding tube, and will keep this until he stops refusing food.

Wich is an impossible situation (with the first we did a 'hunger

provocation therapy' which worked, but with JOnathan this is too

dangerous, for the food easily slips into his airpipe).

Though JOnathan is very well tempered, almost never cries, plays for

hours very contently, I hate the trach. I think it is impossible--but

of course we take care of him. He is ill all the time, has had so

many antibiotics that I fear immunity, and think that it is

impossible for him to develop when coughing all the time. Even during

nights I get up every 15 minutes, sometimes even more, to sunction

him. Apart from his father and me, there are happily three other

people who dare to babysit him for a couple of hours. I am afraid of

him dying of immunity to antibiotics, or when he is short of

air...The last time I called the ambulance it took them 20 minutes!!

(well, this was not in the 'big town' Amsterdam, but on the

countryside). I died almost myself of fear.

So Debbie, you wrote I would think you were crazy to like to take

care of trach children. I don't think you are crazy! I think you are

a saint!

Well, so much for now. I have seen the pictures of your wonderful

children. As soon as I get my scanner I will put mine on the web as

well. Thank you for sharing, Suzanne

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