Re: Re: Hip/Waist ratio (was: Celeriac)

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In a message dated 01/23/2001 9:02:37 AM Central Standard Time,

KngLouQunMel@... writes:

<<

Wow, this is really interesting... If your waist were 35 inches around, in

order to have the correct waist-to-hip ratio, your hips would have to be

almost 44 inches around!! >>

Well.....(embarassed here ) my waist is 35 and my hips are 44......so does

that mean I am ok??

ressy

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In a message dated 01-01-23 12:30:30 EST, you write:

<< Researchers looked at a

bunch of subjects and they concluded that, despite everything else,

including height, weight, etc., if a woman's waist was 30 " or larger, she

moved into high health risk. >>

This prompted me to get my tape measure out...mine is 29 " . Does that mean I'm

healthy? <g> I assume these calculations don't apply to me since we already

know I'm not insulin resistant or a type 2. . But if you're not overwhelmed

with requests, Susie, I'd like your calculatiosn for my bod too. Vicki

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Well, Ressy, that 35-to-44 ratio is .8, so you would not qualify as an

apple, but rather a pear, which should mean you're not an insulin-resistant

type 2. I have the Drs. Eades' book in front of me. If you'd like to send me

your height and weight and age privately, I'll send you back your Lean Body

Mass calculation, along with the recommended range. This offer is for anyone

else in the group as well. (For guys, I'll need your waist and wrist

measurements, as well as height and weight.)

Susie (ottercritter@...)

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Ressy, I didn't finish my statement. I'll use your numbers to do some

calculations from the charts in " Protein Power. " Adding the conversion for

the hips and the waist gave a total of 77.92. Just to work up some numbers,

I made the assumption that you are 5'4 " tall. (If you are 5'10 " , your

estimated body fat would be more like 35.25%.)

Subtracting that conversion factor from the total of the hips and waist, I

get a body fat percentage of 38.91%. I don't know your age. If you are

41-50, they recommend 22-28%; if you are 51-60, they recommend 22-30% for a

female.

Susie

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Thornton wrote:

<< if your waist is 35 inches around or more then you have an increased

health risk AND if you have a WHR of 0.8 or more then you have an additional

health risk factor and the two risk factors multiply not add! >>

I also didn't emphasize last time I mentioned it, but my numbers were based

on an actual study. I found it quite surprising. Researchers looked at a

bunch of subjects and they concluded that, despite everything else,

including height, weight, etc., if a woman's waist was 30 " or larger, she

moved into high health risk. And I believe the corresponding number for men

was 36 " - again, regardless of height, etc.

Susie

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Susie:

If I send you all my measurements you will need a large calculator with at

least 12 digits on it!!

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In a message dated 01-01-23 17:53:32 EST, you write:

<<

I believe I have your weight at 118, your height at 5'8 " , and your waist at

29 " . Send the hip measure, publicly or privately, and I can get right back

with you. As I mentioned, for the guys, I'll need waist, wrist, height and

weight. >>

Actually I've gained a little bit ... 118 was too thin. I'm now up to 125 and

trying to stay there. :-) Hips are...(checking) 38 " Thanks, Susie. V.

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Vicki wrote:

<< if you're not overwhelmed with requests, Susie, I'd like your

calculatiosn for my bod too. >>

I believe I have your weight at 118, your height at 5'8 " , and your waist at

29 " . Send the hip measure, publicly or privately, and I can get right back

with you. As I mentioned, for the guys, I'll need waist, wrist, height and

weight.

Susie

[Guest guest]

: on your treatment list, what do you mean by the term

pharmacotherapy? I assume that means medication? and surgical

intervention? what type of surgery would that be? stomach stapling?

Thornton wrote:

>

>

> > Wow, this is really interesting... If

> > your waist were 35 inches around, in

> > order to have the correct waist-to-hip

> > ratio, your hips would have to be

> > almost 44 inches around!!

> > It's kind of funny, I need to lose 3 inches

> > around my tummy and gain 3 inches around my

> > hips )

>

> No, , it is the other way around - they are independent risk

> factors. So if your waist is 35 inches around or more then you have

> an increased health risk AND if you have a WHR of 0.8 or more then

> you have an additional health risk factor and the two risk factors

> multiply not add! If you are overweight that is another health risk

> factor and if you have any of the comorbidities that is another.

>

> The relationship, according to Shape Up, America! is:

>

> BMI range Health risk based on BMI Adjusted for other risk factors

> --------- ------------------------ -------------------------------

> 18-<25 Minimal Low

> 25-<27 Low Moderate

> 27-<30 Moderate High

> 30-<35 High Very high

> 35-<40 Very high Extremely high

> >=40 Extremely high Extremely high

>

> The appropriate treatments are:

>

> Health Risk Treatment option(s) available

> --------------- --------------------------------------------

> Minimal and Low Healthful eating and/or moderate deficit diet

> Increased physical activity

> Lifestyle change strategies

>

> Moderate All the above plus low calorie diet

>

> High and Very High All the above plus pharmacotherapy

>

> Extremely high All the above plus surgical intervention

>

> The comorbidities of obesity are:

>

> - Hypertension (high blood pressure)

> - Cardiovascular disease (heart and circulation problems)

> - Dyslipidemia (cholesterol and triglycerides high)

> - Type 2 diabetes

> - Sleep apnea/obese hypoventilation syndrome

> - Osteoarthritis

> - Infertility

> - Idiopathic intracranial hypertension

> - Lower extremity venous stasis disease

> - gastro-esophageal reflux

> - Urinary stress incontinence

> - Progressive weight gain since adolescence*

> - Indivisual history of obesity*

> - Bulimia nervosa*

> - Binge eating disorder*

> - Depression, anxiety and stress*

> - Hyperinsulinemia*

> - Breast, colon or endometrial cancer*

> - Menopause*

> - Overall disease burden*

> - Quality of life issues*

> - Physical inactivity*

>

> * = physician decides if significant.

>

> So you can see why my physician claims that the most fateful mistake

> a diabetic can make is to assume that diabetes is the worst thing

> that can happen to him/her!

>

> The point is that obesity is a patient-friendly disease in that the

> patient can do something about it - and the treatment needn't cost a

> penny, all you need is a bathroom scales and a tape measure and you

> are in business - no recurring costs; you can even save money every

> time you decide to close your mouth and get up from the table!

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wrote:

<< If I send you all my measurements you will need a large calculator with

at least 12 digits on it!! >>

Dear,

Don't forget that approx. 90% of us type 2's are overweight. We're all in

the same boat ... So far it hasn't sunk - thank heavens! )

I'd be happy to give you the number, as calculated by the Drs. Eades ...

Hugs,

Susie

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Vicki gal, you rail you! ) Your numbers work out as follows:

The factor for your waist is 20.62, added to the hip factor of 44.65, equals

65.27. Subtract from that the factor for your height, 41.45, and your total

is 23.82% (estimated body fat percentage). The Ideal Body Fat Range for

females 61 and over is 22-31%, so as you can see you're doing excellently!

It means that you have less than 30 pounds of fat and over 95 pounds of Lean

Body Mass. According to their charts, you could gain several pounds and

still be in the middle of your range.

Susie

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Thornton wrote:

<< ... Most overweight people seem to be willing to try almost any

conceivable remedy before they are

willing to change their complete lifestyle. And the joke is that all those

other remedies also require a complete lifestyle change before they can be

effective so why not start there anyway and then let the

other remedies be superfluous? >>

I think this is a good area of discussion for our group. Why will people

sacrifice their eyes, kidneys, feet, sex life, ability to work, rather than

take a walk every day and watch their food intake? Why will people max out

pills that can wreck their liver, rather than cut back on their Problem

Foods? Why will people claim they are " too busy with work " to prepare their

own meals or keep better diabetes records, then wind up so debilitated by

their disease that they are unable to work?

Did our modern lifestyle soften us up too much? Do we truly feel we should

deny ourselves nothing - even the things we know are harmful? Are we no

longer strong enough to commit to a program and stick with it? Are we so

self-deceptive that we don't see what we're doing to ourselves? Do we have

such a blind faith in modern medicine (we shouldn't!) that we think the

doctors can fix anything we mess up? Are we just incredible

procrastinators - putting off proper self-care for some future date, " when

things get worse " ?

Susie