Re: Topper's ponderment on stimulating metabolic rate for hypo

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I wondered for a while if my great enthusiasm when I got into weight lifting might have been a result of the low grade hyper that I'd had for so many years...Another reason why it's taken me so many years to try getting back into it..... but I enjoy it as much now as then....

Modifying the routine to accommodate the restrictions and abilities of my body now... as it heals from the hypo 'abuse' has me looking forward to my exercise, ooopppsss sorry, Bedxercise time... I've even expanded it to 1 1/2 hours per day.... I'm still not maxing out on the weights.. I'm choosing to do more reps rather than increasing weight. A couple of thoughts for that...increasing reps will encourage the increase in basal metabolic rate, working along with the increase in thyroid meds to increase metabolism...

.... granted this is still a theory.. I don't have a lot of facts on this yet... maybe some of you have run across some research on this and can share...?

Run with me for a bit and see if anything sparks in your minds.... We get hypo... pain levels increase... desire/ability to be physically active decrease.. metabolism decreases as a result of insufficient thyroid activity or insufficient medication... Muscle mass decreases... follow the thought?

Okay.. now, thyroid hormone (meds) are increasing causing the metabolism to increase....but... what if it will only increase to a certain point... what if it gets to some point and stops there because it isn't getting the signals from the body, muscles, chemical levels of the brain as relates to physical activity... and at that points simply chooses to halt development of the metabolic rate. No longer attempting to achieve a 'normal' state but only getting to that 'point' and stopping?

See, one of the things that I did when I was in thyroid storm.... I went swimming at night... in our apartment complex we had an outdoor pool...this was late fall, nights were cool... folks quit swimming at sundown.. the pool was not locked up until 10.. I could see the pool from my apartment.... I never swam in pools... One night I put on a suit and went down and started swimming laps... the manager came down a few minutes before 10...let me know that it was just about time to lock up... and I got out so he could...

I started doing it every night.. it was helping me sleep..... After a week or two, I don't remember anymore, he asked me how I could stand that water, it was so cold... See the thing had a crack in it... they had a hose running water in it to compensate for the water that was leaking out.. that is why everyone left when the sun went down, it was too cold... To me it felt wonderful... for years I thought that was because of the cold.. that it was taking that awful hyper heat out of my body so that I could sleep... now, with these posts... I suddenly wonder if it was also something that burned off some of that excess energy......

Gosh.. the things that we come up with....

Topper () *a new puzzle to ponder*

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:52:06 -0600 " " writes:

Ask me, I ran around a track everyday for approximately 9 yrs or so, like a hamster on a wheel. The only reason why I started this was because of depression, nervousness, and free-floating anxiety. Was anorexic and lost weight down to 113 lbs at one point (that was before I started running), woke up everyday with a pounding heart and couldn't eat. It was like something was always trying to "get me". I later found out that it was Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, first stages, hyper. When I crashed in '93, I couldn't even walk around the block (hypo). I would say that the exercise does help burn up that peculiar abnormal energy, but it also sends tons of cortisol out into the bloodstream. Joggers are just now finding this out. Too MUCH cortisol. This is the aerobic that I would not reccommend, no matter what the marathon runners say.

Tx

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I think that if we've already been in that state of hyper for a long time, we think that everyone else is like that and we don't consider it to be anything but normal, at the time. That thing that I call nervousness was like something haunting me all the time, but before that, I was always used to feeling "laid back". I thought that it was all emotional, so I sought to "burn it up". Of course, I did have emotional factors going on, but then, I always had. The very heavy physical activity helped to quell some of that ongoing anxiety and that mind-twirling that went on constantly. The lighter weight, faster reps that you're doing are probably more equivolent to aerobic type exercise, rather than resistance training. They help oxygenate the heart better, and are supposed to wake you up, but with me it was different. They helped me sleep and relax better, though I don't think I ever relaxed during that time. As I said, it was like something was chasing me all the time. That is the only way that I know how to describe it. Even with the financial and personal turmoil that sometimes goes on now, I no longer react that way to anything, so we can't say that it was just the situation I was in or just the timing. I haven't experienced that kind of anxiety and "mania" since I actually crashed completely and was then found to be completely in the lurches of HYPO. Even my facial exlpression when I was hyper was very aggressive, daring, etc....That's why I think that many many cases of bipolar are named the wrong thing, and these people may never be checked out for hyperthyroidism in an entire lifetime. I've gotten strong criticism from some of the folks on the bipolar disorder forums for this, but if it isn't true, then why am I over the manic disorder, since the thyroid crash? Makes sense to me. That went on for approximately 7-8 yrs before the crash. It's been 11 yrs SINCE the crash. Really, I don't expect that I will be exactly like I was before it all began because, at that time, I was around 30-34, and now I'm 52. I don't think we're old at 52, but we're also not spring chicks either, so we won't be exactly the same as we were at that young age either.

Tx

Re: Topper's ponderment on stimulating metabolic rate for hypo

I wondered for a while if my great enthusiasm when I got into weight lifting might have been a result of the low grade hyper that I'd had for so many years...Another reason why it's taken me so many years to try getting back into it..... but I enjoy it as much now as then....

Modifying the routine to accommodate the restrictions and abilities of my body now... as it heals from the hypo 'abuse' has me looking forward to my exercise, ooopppsss sorry, Bedxercise time... I've even expanded it to 1 1/2 hours per day.... I'm still not maxing out on the weights.. I'm choosing to do more reps rather than increasing weight. A couple of thoughts for that...increasing reps will encourage the increase in basal metabolic rate, working along with the increase in thyroid meds to increase metabolism...

.... granted this is still a theory.. I don't have a lot of facts on this yet... maybe some of you have run across some research on this and can share...?

Run with me for a bit and see if anything sparks in your minds.... We get hypo... pain levels increase... desire/ability to be physically active decrease.. metabolism decreases as a result of insufficient thyroid activity or insufficient medication... Muscle mass decreases... follow the thought?

Okay.. now, thyroid hormone (meds) are increasing causing the metabolism to increase....but... what if it will only increase to a certain point... what if it gets to some point and stops there because it isn't getting the signals from the body, muscles, chemical levels of the brain as relates to physical activity... and at that points simply chooses to halt development of the metabolic rate. No longer attempting to achieve a 'normal' state but only getting to that 'point' and stopping?

See, one of the things that I did when I was in thyroid storm.... I went swimming at night... in our apartment complex we had an outdoor pool...this was late fall, nights were cool... folks quit swimming at sundown.. the pool was not locked up until 10.. I could see the pool from my apartment.... I never swam in pools... One night I put on a suit and went down and started swimming laps... the manager came down a few minutes before 10...let me know that it was just about time to lock up... and I got out so he could...

I started doing it every night.. it was helping me sleep..... After a week or two, I don't remember anymore, he asked me how I could stand that water, it was so cold... See the thing had a crack in it... they had a hose running water in it to compensate for the water that was leaking out.. that is why everyone left when the sun went down, it was too cold... To me it felt wonderful... for years I thought that was because of the cold.. that it was taking that awful hyper heat out of my body so that I could sleep... now, with these posts... I suddenly wonder if it was also something that burned off some of that excess energy......

Gosh.. the things that we come up with....

Topper () *a new puzzle to ponder*

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I agree with you .... the exercises that I do now..I do them just before bed... I do them in bed, so that I dont' have to deal with getting up and down from the floor... and whatever it is causing to me physically... I sleep wonderfully now... and I literally finish up my routine..set the weights aside.. roll over and drop right off....

I did use the heavier weight last night... The stronger muscles did just fine, but still with high reps.. the weaker muscles hit failure between 8 and 12 reps in the first set... just perfect so I'll be staying at this weight until I'm up to 3 or 4 sets.... and then determine if I want to continue with higher reps or find something for greater resistance.

As I'm becoming more and more aware of muscle groups again I finding other ways of isolating muscle groups.. you know, after so many years of doing this on benches and now, not having a bench or being able to get on my knees.. this can be a real challenge...

When I do the high reps.. I'm still doing them slowly with full extension.. I don't go for any kind of speed.. my priority is still, for now, concentrating on muscle isolation, control and full extension. To increase strength, endurance and metabolic rate. Remember.. it's only been a few months since I've been able to brush my hair without having to rest my arms... and a few months before that.. I had to rest my arms when washing my hair.. I couldn't hold my arms up long enough to shampoo my head!!! I've had a long way to come back... Heck last spring.. showers were an Olympic even.. I was afraid of falling down and going through the glass door. If not for the hand rails put in for my mom, I'd have not been able to get out of the tub. My legs were that exhausted from standing there for a ten minute shower.. then I would just struggle to get to the bed to collapse... 15 to 30 minutes to catch my breath and then dry off and dress. I was that physically shot...

It was April 1st of last year when I started 'exercising' it consisted of about five minutes a night of simply stretching and extending my arms. Learning to move again. Realizing that I could move without being crippled for weeks after.... It took months before I was able to start using a couple of spinach cans as my resistance... and months of those before moving up... It's been a long, slow process, over so much damage...

I was in the kitchen the other day.. had just carried in a new sack of flour. For the first time in over 12 years, I want to see if I could lift it..... It was still closed and weighed 25 pounds. I picked it up and jerked it to chest level, getting my hands under it... and started to push it up....I got to where my elbows were even with my ears and my shoulders started to pull...so I stopped. That, for me now... what phenomenal. I'm not working on some way of developing my shoulder and upper back muscles....

15 years ago... as a body builder.. I was lifting 250 pounds... 3 sets of 15.... and felt great..... This week, after all I've been through - I was thrilled to have been able to lift ten percent of that ALMOST once... AND not hurt afterwards!!!!

It's gonna take a long time to heal, and I may never be normal for my current age... but I'm getting better and I feel great... I will concentrate on the fact that I feel better each day than I did before, even it if is just a tiny bit!

Topper () *46, who has biceps for the first time in over a decade and is finally losing weight!!! BIG GRIN*

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:06:02 -0600 " " writes:

I think that if we've already been in that state of hyper for a long time, we think that everyone else is like that and we don't consider it to be anything but normal, at the time. That thing that I call nervousness was like something haunting me all the time, but before that, I was always used to feeling "laid back". I thought that it was all emotional, so I sought to "burn it up". Of course, I did have emotional factors going on, but then, I always had. The very heavy physical activity helped to quell some of that ongoing anxiety and that mind-twirling that went on constantly. The lighter weight, faster reps that you're doing are probably more equivolent to aerobic type exercise, rather than resistance training. They help oxygenate the heart better, and are supposed to wake you up, but with me it was different. They helped me sleep and relax better, though I don't think I ever relaxed during that time. As I said, it was like something was chasing me all the time. That is the only way that I know how to describe it. Even with the financial and personal turmoil that sometimes goes on now, I no longer react that way to anything, so we can't say that it was just the situation I was in or just the timing. I haven't experienced that kind of anxiety and "mania" since I actually crashed completely and was then found to be completely in the lurches of HYPO. Even my facial exlpression when I was hyper was very aggressive, daring, etc....That's why I think that many many cases of bipolar are named the wrong thing, and these people may never be checked out for hyperthyroidism in an entire lifetime. I've gotten strong criticism from some of the folks on the bipolar disorder forums for this, but if it isn't true, then why am I over the manic disorder, since the thyroid crash? Makes sense to me. That went on for approximately 7-8 yrs before the crash. It's been 11 yrs SINCE the crash. Really, I don't expect that I will be exactly like I was before it all began because, at that time, I was around 30-34, and now I'm 52. I don't think we're old at 52, but we're also not spring chicks either, so we won't be exactly the same as we were at that young age either.

Tx

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Hey Pard! Using those cans of Spinach-----is that what they call pumping iron?*twinkling eyes*

Feisty

Re: Topper's ponderment on stimulating metabolic rate for hypo

It was April 1st of last year when I started 'exercising' it consisted of about five minutes a night of simply stretching and extending my arms. Learning to move again. Realizing that I could move without being crippled for weeks after.... It took months before I was able to start using a couple of spinach cans as my resistance... and months of those before moving up... It's been a long, slow process, over so much damage...

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!!! that was terrible... I LOVE it!!!!

No.. the spinach is just what I had available that was a matched pair of cans..... hehehehehe

Topper ()

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:51:39 -0600 " Webb Osterloh" writes:

Hey Pard! Using those cans of Spinach-----is that what they call pumping iron?*twinkling eyes*

Feisty