Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 In a message dated 01-01-17 13:15:05 EST, you write: << He didn't want to come to this list, guess we're not technical enough for him :-) >> No, it's not that, Carol, it was the privacy clause. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 In a message dated 01-01-17 13:29:21 EST, you write: << I agree! I've been a bit concerned about all the talk of cross-postings, and promoting other lists here. I don't feel that it's prudent to do that at all. >> Well, gosh, fellas, It's not like I'm encouraging people to leave this list...just another one that's got some Very Good Stuff on it. Again, you don't have to leave one list to join another. And as I said, the only reason I cross posted was because different people asked for it. We've always snipped interesting stuff from other lists. What's the problem? Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 Gosh, Teri, I'm either not getting all messages or I'm getting 'em out of order. I'm pretty sure that wasn't Donna who made the " flaming " remark, I was the one who wrote the post (below) starting " gosh fellas... " referring to Dave when he agreed with that " cross posting " shouldn't be done here. I didn't even get the one about " whining and pretty remarks. " Who sent that one??? I actually think it was who started this one by complaining about the " cross posting " . Donna was posting about Carey's going hypo. That was something entirely different. (Unless I missed something major!) :-) When will Susie be back, d'you think? My comments are interspersed, below. Vicki In a message dated 01-01-17 21:40:10 EST, you write: << That's what I went after, Dave. I told Donna that she does NOT speak for the whole list and that I considered that remark flaming, which is prohibited on the list. I also wrote to , telling him what I had done, and thanked him for his tact and control. So, are we on the same page? Re: Re: HbA1C NO, NO! I WROTE THE BELOW! Not poor Donna! Vicki Donna Gardner wrote: > > Well, gosh, fellas, It's not like I'm encouraging people to leave > this > > list...just another one that's got some Very Good Stuff on it. > Again, you > > don't have to leave one list to join another. And as I said, the > only > > reason I cross posted was because different people asked for it. > We've > > always snipped interesting stuff from other lists. What's the > problem? > > Vicki > > I don't have a problem with it. Some people have asked Vicki to do > this for them. If you don't like her messages, , don't read > them. Some of us on this list have real problems and we are sick of > hearing your whining and petty little remarks. WHO WROTE THE ABOVE? V. Sorry, but if you're going to go after somebody, get the right somebody. I agreed with that crossposting is a no-no, and promoting another list on a list is also. That's just the way it is, and has been. By cross-posting, I'm talking about enclosing two different groups in the address line, not what has been done here in the past by Susie and Vicki: posting interesting messages from another list. I think your attack on is out of line.. Teri?? WHO WROTE THE ABOVE? " we are sick of hearing your wining and petty little remarks " is the attack I'm referring to. AND WHO WROTE THIS ABOVE? From Vicki who is Majorly Confused! :-) -- Dave - 8:10:21 PM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, Precose - >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 In a message dated 1/17/01 9:40:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, teri@... writes: << That's what I went after, Dave. I told Donna that she does NOT speak for the whole list and that I considered that remark flaming, which is prohibited on the list. I also wrote to , telling him what I had done, and thanked him for his tact and control. So, are we on the same page? >> I am Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 In a message dated 01-01-17 19:42:59 EST, you write: << No problem with that in itself, Vicki, but if you think something is interesting enough to post here then don't you think you should be prepared to participate in a discussion on it instead of just telling us to go join the other list, don't you agree? >> That wasn't what I meant, . I'm prepared to enter into any discussion (smile) but when it involves challenges to the writer of the original post and I wasn't the writer of it, it only makes sensse to go to the source. Again, I'm not necessarily sending people to the other list. I'm just mentioning that there's some interesting stuff on it (some of which I've copied, per request) which some of the listers here might want to follow up on. Gosh, didn't mean to start a tempest in a teapot! Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 ENOUGH with the list stuff. Who cares; join all the lists or delete all the lists. Let's help and support each other with quality of life and diabetes control. I do agree that any list without Ron is missing out big time. I cannot tell you how I bless the day I found him and Vicki and and Ressy on-line and Susie and the others on line. All right already. Let's move on from the list battle n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 > We've always snipped interesting stuff from > other lists. What's the problem? No problem with that in itself, Vicki, but if you think something is interesting enough to post here then don't you think you should be prepared to participate in a discussion on it instead of just telling us to go join the other list, don't you agree? If you don't agree then forget it, I don't want to make a big thing about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 I am not diabetic. But my son gets real crabby when he has lows and highs. This list talk must be an offshoot of the hypo/hyper process because it is pretty odd. n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 Well, gosh, fellas, It's not like I'm encouraging people to leave this > list...just another one that's got some Very Good Stuff on it. Again, you > don't have to leave one list to join another. And as I said, the only > reason I cross posted was because different people asked for it. We've > always snipped interesting stuff from other lists. What's the problem? > Vicki I don't have a problem with it. Some people have asked Vicki to do this for them. If you don't like her messages, , don't read them. Some of us on this list have real problems and we are sick of hearing your whining and petty little remarks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 That's what I went after, Dave. I told Donna that she does NOT speak for the whole list and that I considered that remark flaming, which is prohibited on the list. I also wrote to , telling him what I had done, and thanked him for his tact and control. So, are we on the same page? Re: Re: HbA1C Donna Gardner wrote: > > Well, gosh, fellas, It's not like I'm encouraging people to leave > this > > list...just another one that's got some Very Good Stuff on it. > Again, you > > don't have to leave one list to join another. And as I said, the > only > > reason I cross posted was because different people asked for it. > We've > > always snipped interesting stuff from other lists. What's the > problem? > > Vicki > > I don't have a problem with it. Some people have asked Vicki to do > this for them. If you don't like her messages, , don't read > them. Some of us on this list have real problems and we are sick of > hearing your whining and petty little remarks. Sorry, but if you're going to go after somebody, get the right somebody. I agreed with that crossposting is a no-no, and promoting another list on a list is also. That's just the way it is, and has been. By cross-posting, I'm talking about enclosing two different groups in the address line, not what has been done here in the past by Susie and Vicki: posting interesting messages from another list. I think your attack on is out of line.. Teri?? " we are sick of hearing your wining and petty little remarks " is the attack I'm referring to. -- Dave - 8:10:21 PM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, Precose - Davors Daily Aphorism: Never trust a skinny cook. -- Visit my HomePage: http://dorcutt.homepage.com eGroups Sponsor Public website for Diabetes International: http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int Post message: diabetes_integroups Subscribe: diabetes_int-subscribeegroups Unsubscribe: diabetes_int-unsubscribeegroups List owner: diabetes_int-owneregroups URL: /group/diabetes_int Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 Well, I think when new people join this list they are confused and need help and support. The last thing they want to hear is arguing with somebody. I have been under enough stress for the past month with my husband's diagnosis. I don't need to hear this stuff constantly!! > Sorry, but if you're going to go after somebody, get the right somebody. > I agreed with that crossposting is a no-no, and promoting another > list on a list is also. That's just the way it is, and has been. By > cross-posting, I'm talking about enclosing two different groups in the > address line, not what has been done here in the past by Susie and > Vicki: posting interesting messages from another list. > > I think your attack on is out of line.. Teri?? > > " we are sick of hearing your wining and petty little remarks " is the > attack I'm referring to. > > > > -- > Dave - 8:10:21 PM > T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, Precose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 Then please just state your point more nicely, Donna. Flaming is not permitted on this list. OK? We all understand pressure, and none of us want to add more. Honestly, I'm not sure what to say to anyone about all the posts from the other list. There have been many of them the last several days. Not all of us are interested in them, and it is a good point that those who are could join the other list. Good points are made on both sides. I do apologize for this post even making it to the list. It was a private correspondence but through a foible of email a copy of it somehow got posted to the list. Teri Re: HbA1C Well, I think when new people join this list they are confused and need help and support. The last thing they want to hear is arguing with somebody. I have been under enough stress for the past month with my husband's diagnosis. I don't need to hear this stuff constantly!! > Sorry, but if you're going to go after somebody, get the right somebody. > I agreed with that crossposting is a no-no, and promoting another > list on a list is also. That's just the way it is, and has been. By > cross-posting, I'm talking about enclosing two different groups in the > address line, not what has been done here in the past by Susie and > Vicki: posting interesting messages from another list. > > I think your attack on is out of line.. Teri?? > > " we are sick of hearing your wining and petty little remarks " is the > attack I'm referring to. > > > > -- > Dave - 8:10:21 PM > T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, Precose eGroups Sponsor Public website for Diabetes International: http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int Post message: diabetes_integroups Subscribe: diabetes_int-subscribeegroups Unsubscribe: diabetes_int-unsubscribeegroups List owner: diabetes_int-owneregroups URL: /group/diabetes_int Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 Donna Gardner wrote: > > Well, gosh, fellas, It's not like I'm encouraging people to leave > this > > list...just another one that's got some Very Good Stuff on it. > Again, you > > don't have to leave one list to join another. And as I said, the > only > > reason I cross posted was because different people asked for it. > We've > > always snipped interesting stuff from other lists. What's the > problem? > > Vicki > > I don't have a problem with it. Some people have asked Vicki to do > this for them. If you don't like her messages, , don't read > them. Some of us on this list have real problems and we are sick of > hearing your whining and petty little remarks. Sorry, but if you're going to go after somebody, get the right somebody. I agreed with that crossposting is a no-no, and promoting another list on a list is also. That's just the way it is, and has been. By cross-posting, I'm talking about enclosing two different groups in the address line, not what has been done here in the past by Susie and Vicki: posting interesting messages from another list. I think your attack on is out of line.. Teri?? " we are sick of hearing your wining and petty little remarks " is the attack I'm referring to. -- Dave - 8:10:21 PM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, Precose - Davors Daily Aphorism: Never trust a skinny cook. -- Visit my HomePage: http://dorcutt.homepage.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2001 Report Share Posted January 17, 2001 Donna Gardner wrote: > > Well, I think when new people join this list they are confused and > need help and support. The last thing they want to hear is > arguing with somebody. I have been under enough stress for the past > month with my husband's diagnosis. I don't need to hear this stuff > constantly!! If that's the way you're seeing it, then I think maybe you haven't understood where is coming from. puts in many hours doing investigative research to understand what it is that he and his wife, and we are dealing with. From this, he forms opinions on what may be doing what. He is not right all the time. I can't even say that he is right most of the time, because I'm no expert, but I know he sure puts in the time. 's wife was in very serious shape for quite some time due to the ravages of this disease, so he is quite serious about his research. Being an International list, we are also dealing with Countries, and differing treatments. What you may view as arguing is simple back and forth, as none of us here is an expert, with any solutions in hand, and we all have our own experiences to relate. I think the key here is where you mentioned " new people " and recognizing/understanding where someone is coming from with their posts. IMHO, new people should read and try to understand the discourse before attacking the messenger. This can take some time, again, IMHO. Incidently, I would argue (a point) (note the distinction) myself if I run accross a post I feel is not right and misleading. We can't be huggy-supportive all the time and learn something. > > > Sorry, but if you're going to go after somebody, get the right > somebody. > > I agreed with that crossposting is a no-no, and promoting > another > > list on a list is also. That's just the way it is, and has been. By > > cross-posting, I'm talking about enclosing two different groups in > the > > address line, not what has been done here in the past by Susie and > > Vicki: posting interesting messages from another list. > > > > I think your attack on is out of line.. Teri?? > > > > " we are sick of hearing your wining and petty little remarks " is the > > attack I'm referring to. > > > > > > > > -- > > Dave - 8:10:21 PM > > T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, Precose > > Public website for Diabetes International: > http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int > > Post message: diabetes_integroups > Subscribe: diabetes_int-subscribeegroups > Unsubscribe: diabetes_int-unsubscribeegroups > List owner: diabetes_int-owneregroups > > URL: /group/diabetes_int -- Dave - 9:55:23 PM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, Precose - Davors Daily Aphorism: * He who laughs last thinks slowest. -- Visit my HomePage: http://dorcutt.homepage.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 I didn't see 's post as whining, I thot he made a good point about when info from another list is posted, it becomes fodder for us to mull over and discuss. That's what lists are for. Back to lurk mode. Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 > I have been under enough stress for the past month with my husband's diagnosis. I don't need to hear this stuff constantly!! Donna, I understand your feeling on this. However, a list is made up of individuals exchanging their opinions and experiences. Newbies ARE desperately trying to get a handle on their disease, and are searching for all the help and support they can get. But people don't stop their conversations because someone else doesn't want to hear them. has his moments *BG* but I've found him to be thoughtful and caring, and informative. (Not that I follow your advice, , but that's another story, heeheehee). We are all here because of diabetes. That is our only common factor. No matter how much alike we may seem, diabetes affecting us or someone close to us is why we post. So there's no way that we'll all agree on something. But from the diverse opinions we read (and we can choose not to read by pushing delete) we each may glean a kernal of useful info. At least I do. And if a thread is bothersome to me, I delete it. I don't know how many nuggets of gold I may have missed because of this. I don't generally read posts about insulin usage, for example. Has no bearing on the way I handle my disease at this stage. But the info that has been expounded in those deleted posts may have been important for me to know in the future. I'm just getting diarrahea of the fingers now, sorry. I feel badly for your husband, and for you because of the overwhelming nature of this disease. If you don't like 's postings, use the kill file. Others can tell you how, I've never found it necessary. Respectfully, Debbie Ames T2, 3 years Uncontrolled by Glucophage & Actos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2001 Report Share Posted January 18, 2001 Dear Donna, I'm still a day behind on reading the posts. You may have answered this in the past 24 hours, but my burning question is: How many grams of carbohydrates does Carey eat a day? That will help us all understand his insulin dosing recommendations. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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