Re: Turtle 1

August 22, 2000

You guys just don't seem to understand. I am not in a stall for two weeks after losing 48 pounds. I am on this for 2 months and have not lost anything. And I have had NO wild food binges. I have not eaten one crumb of illegal food.

sandi stay with your good food choices. last summer i lost 48 lbs and was at a plateau for 2 weeks, i started feeling like the WOE wasnt working for me. if i would of had this group i probably be at goal be now.. hmmmmmmm .........so here i am trying to lose the lbs that i regained after going on a wild food binge(eeks) lol Deja im beautiful, i dont have to wear a bathing suit to prove it!!

August 22, 2000

I am sorry if that sounded a bit nasty. It wasn't meant that way but I am so frustrated and everyone compares it to their two week stall and that makes me even more frustrated. Forgive me if I am taking it out on you.

Alessandra

You guys just don't seem to understand. I am not in a stall for two weeks after losing 48 pounds. I am on this for 2 months and have not lost anything. And I have had NO wild food binges. I have not eaten one crumb of illegal food.

sandi stay with your good food choices. last summer i lost 48 lbs and was at a plateau for 2 weeks, i started feeling like the WOE wasnt working for me. if i would of had this group i probably be at goal be now.. hmmmmmmm .........so here i am trying to lose the lbs that i regained after going on a wild food binge(eeks) lol Deja im beautiful, i dont have to wear a bathing suit to prove it!!

August 22, 2000

Let me get this straight. You have lost absolutely zero since you have

started Atkins? Am I getting the picture now?

Cheryl Ü

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You guys just don't seem to understand. I am not in a stall for two weeks

after losing 48 pounds. I am on this for 2 months and have not lost

anything. And I have had NO wild food binges. I have not eaten one crumb of

illegal food.

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August 22, 2000

Sandi,

I was in a stall for 6+ weeks, and I had lost abput 8 pounds during induction. I finally started taking the CLA at about the 4th or 5th stall week, and in another week or son I started to lose again. It is a slow loss, but at least it is a loss.

How about starting today, write down *everything that goes into your mouth*, water, tea, coffee, food, snacks, supplements, etc. Then post that this evening. Maybe with so many people on the list, we can help. Include what you think the carb counts are and your portion size. Don't just say cup of coffee with a little cream and AS--- break it down to 1 10oz coffee with 2 packet AS and 3TBS heavy cream. This will make it easer to see a problem.

Hope to hear from you this evening.

Kathy

Sandi wrote:

You guys just don't seem to understand. I am not in a stall for two weeks after losing 48 pounds. I am on this for 2 months and have not lost anything. And I have had NO wild food binges. I have not eaten one crumb of illegal food.

sandi stay with your good food choices. last summer i lost 48 lbs and was at a plateau for 2 weeks, i started feeling like the WOE wasnt working for me. if i would of had this group i probably be at goal be now.. hmmmmmmm .........so here i am trying to lose the lbs that i regained after going on a wild food binge(eeks) lol Deja im beautiful, i dont have to wear a bathing suit to prove it!!

August 22, 2000

Sandi,

I was only funning with you and wrote that before I had seen all the

different posts that followed it.

I was going along the same joking as we were doing about the time difference.

I am sorry if that came across as I was jumping on you.

That would be the farthest thing from what I would want to convey.

I can't believe your not losing, and with not losing how your sticking with

it anyway. You are a very strong woman indeed.

The only thing I can say to possibly try to help is what the other gals have

said.

Post your menus and check out the Yeast factor.

I have some links somewhere on yeast if you would like them I will send them

to you.

Again I apologize I meant no harm.

Cheryl Ü

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I am at the end of my rope and I desperately need help and support but I

don't need to be jumped on.

If someone can suggest something that I am doing wrong, I will be grateful

to hear it. :}}

Alessandra (Sandi)

ICQ #2695225

Let me get this straight. You have lost absolutely zero since you have

started Atkins? Am I getting the picture now?

Cheryl Ü

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August 22, 2000

I've been bouncing around 210 since the end of June. Down to 206 briefly

and back up again. Stick with it. Don't you FEEL better? Today I was 207.

Closest I've been to 206 since June. Perhaps I'm back on the slide.

Janssen

Southern California

ilea.wj@...

Re: Turtle 1

You guys just don't seem to understand. I am not in a stall for two weeks

after losing 48 pounds. I am on this for 2 months and have not lost

anything. And I have had NO wild food binges. I have not eaten one crumb

of illegal food.

sandi stay with your good food choices. last summer i lost 48 lbs and was

at

a plateau for 2 weeks, i started feeling like the WOE wasnt working for

me.

if i would of had this group i probably be at goal be now.. hmmmmmmm

.........so here i am trying to lose the lbs that i regained after going

on a

wild food binge(eeks) lol

Deja

im beautiful, i dont have to wear a

bathing suit to prove it!!

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August 22, 2000

The thing that pushed me into changing my way of life was because my feet had suddenly swollen up so bad that I couldn't find my ankles. My legs that are normally thin for my size was huge. It scared the you know what out of me. I started taking water pills and at the same time I started Atkins. I did everything right for lc except that I was eating 3 bananas a day to prevent the severe leg cramps that I get with water pills if I don't get extra potassium. So I was really getting much too many carbs. I lost 8 pounds immediately and I found my legs again. I stopped the water pills and the bananas and have been completely legal since. So I do not feel that the 8 pounds loss were from the diet but rather from the water pills.

In the past 2 months, I have never gone over the 20 carb range, usually below. I have bounced up and down the same 2 pounds never losing even one pound.

At the beginning, I was eating a lot of pepperoni and cheese. I was afraid that was hurting me so I stopped the pepperoni completely and I will put some cheese in my eggs or in other food once in awhile, but won't eat a chunk of cheese like I did before.

I was drinking diet soda but I have cut that out and now drink only water. Now around 100 oz a day. Yesterday 120.

I don't drink coffee or tea so no caffeine.

I was eating the advantage bars but I cut that out too.

Pretty much the only carbs that I eat are vegetables and pumpkin seeds (one ounce a day) I eat a lot of cauliflower and broccoli and string beans.

I was just told that I need to get down and dirty strict with myself.

The ONLY time I ate something that was not legal was the skin from one half of a small baked potato with ALL of the potato scraped out. I don't know how many carbs that had but I can't imagine it to be too much.

I don't know what else I can do to get strict with myself.

I am very careful about what I put in my mouth. I don't eat it if I don't KNOW that it is ok. This morning I had eggs over lightly and they were exactly the way I like them with the yokes very runny. I have the lc rye bread in the house that I bought for my son and I was dying to use a slice to soak up the yokes but I was afraid so I didn't.

I love this WOL and I love the way I feel and I love the control that I have over food and that I have absolutely no cravings for anything that I can't have.

I am at the end of my rope and I desperately need help and support but I don't need to be jumped on.

If someone can suggest something that I am doing wrong, I will be grateful to hear it. :}}

Alessandra (Sandi)ICQ #2695225

Let me get this straight. You have lost absolutely zero since you have started Atkins? Am I getting the picture now? Cheryl Ü<< You guys just don't seem to understand. I am not in a stall for two weeks after losing 48 pounds. I am on this for 2 months and have not lost anything. And I have had NO wild food binges. I have not eaten one crumb of illegal food. >>

August 22, 2000

Alessandra,

Maybe you have already done this, I don't always pay as much attention as I should, but what EXACTLY

are you eating? Please post the menus for several days and maybe we can make suggestions. Have

you checked out the yeast possibilities? Any meds you are taking that could cause this? Have you

tested for food intolerances? Just some thoughts.

Jean

August 22, 2000

Well, I will apologize to you. I was thinking that having

days where you ate half a potato or days where you didn't eat

at all were " normal " kinds of days for you. I was wrong.

Sorry. I made assumptions based on a couple days postings and

that was incredibly insensitive of me.

I am wondering if perhaps Terry and Kirstie don't have

something going there though talking about intolerances and

yeast and such. I think posting your daily intake is a

fantastic idea. When I was doing that I got a lot of feedback

that helped me out a lot.

As for the amount of carbs in a potato skin. A long time ago

someone on the alt.support.diet.low-carb list posted that it

would be about 11 carbs for the skin of 1/2 of a medium sized

baking potato. I don't know if that is helpful to you or not.

A.

August 22, 2000

Alessandra,

Your body will hold onto the fat if it thinks you are starving it. You really have to eat 3 to 5 small meals a day,

not one meal and a couple of very light snacks. I don't know that YOUR body has gone into starvation mode,

but I know that it is so easy to think that if you aren't hungry you shouldn't eat and you will lose. That just does

not work.

Yes, yeast could cause you to retain your weight. There are some places on the web that offer yeast

questionnaires to help determine if this could be a problem for you. Maybe someone has one of the addresses

for these that they could post.

Jean

August 22, 2000

Alessandra,

Thanks for the run down on what you are not doing wrong. Now, what I didn't see, and maybe you didn't post because

you thought it was obvious, was much about protein. You cut out pepperoni and no longer eat chunks of cheese, but

I didn't see anything about eating meat, eggs, cream cheese, etc. Not knowing what you may be eating along these

lines, may I suggest that you up your fat intake? Several people have noticed that adding cream cheese to the diet

helps them lose weight. How about a steak with butter added on top? I also seem to recall several people said that

eating shrimp immediately put them into ketosis? How about having a shrimp fest?

Jean

August 22, 2000

Allesandra:

I did all those things in the beginning too, I didn't sweat it, diet

pop, loads of pepperoni and cheese, going in the upper teens with the

carbs, but now that I obsess over each carb, cut out the fun stuff, like

the pepperoni, it's then that I started cheating, and I seem to have

broken myself, I've had trouble losing ever since I started worrying

about the carbs...ugh...I'm only 5 pounds less than I was at the

beginning of march, imagine, so, I guess I should go back to my old

menus and copy it word for word, I don;t know what else to do...but they

say KISS right? " keep it simple sweetie " and that's probably the best!

Adria

August 22, 2000

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I don't know if someone corrected this, USDA says 4.7 for one whole

potato skin

Adria

wrote:

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> Well, I will apologize to you. I was thinking that having

> days where you ate half a potato or days where you didn't eat

> at all were " normal " kinds of days for you. I was wrong.

> Sorry. I made assumptions based on a couple days postings and

> that was incredibly insensitive of me.

>

> I am wondering if perhaps Terry and Kirstie don't have

> something going there though talking about intolerances and

> yeast and such. I think posting your daily intake is a

> fantastic idea. When I was doing that I got a lot of feedback

> that helped me out a lot.

>

> As for the amount of carbs in a potato skin. A long time ago

> someone on the alt.support.diet.low-carb list posted that it

> would be about 11 carbs for the skin of 1/2 of a medium sized

> baking potato. I don't know if that is helpful to you or not.

>

> A.

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August 22, 2000

Thanks! Yeah, I was just quoting what someone else said. I

think they were taking into account what you could really

scoop out without laying in to a potato with the peeler and

gluing the skins back together. I think it was Lee, but you

know.. I would go by the Database count!

A.

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> I don't know if someone corrected this, USDA says 4.7 for

one whole

>potato skin

>Adria

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>> Well, I will apologize to you. I was thinking that having

>> days where you ate half a potato or days where you didn't

eat

>> at all were " normal " kinds of days for you. I was wrong.

>> Sorry. I made assumptions based on a couple days postings

and

>> that was incredibly insensitive of me.

>>

>> I am wondering if perhaps Terry and Kirstie don't have

>> something going there though talking about intolerances and

>> yeast and such. I think posting your daily intake is a

>> fantastic idea. When I was doing that I got a lot of

feedback

>> that helped me out a lot.

>>

>> As for the amount of carbs in a potato skin. A long time

ago

>> someone on the alt.support.diet.low-carb list posted that

it

>> would be about 11 carbs for the skin of 1/2 of a medium

sized

>> baking potato. I don't know if that is helpful to you or

not.

>>

>> A.

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August 22, 2000

Apology accepted. I think that when they talk about potato skins it is the way it is usually made with half of the potato still in it. Mine was not like that so I can't imagine that it is anything near 11 carbs. I left only enough potato in there that the skin wouldn't fall apart. Half of them did anyway when I put the cauliflower in it because it was so thin.

I don't know anything about the yeast stuff but would appreciate anyone telling me.

Alessandra (Sandi)ICQ #2695225

Well, I will apologize to you. I was thinking that having days where you ate half a potato or days where you didn't eat at all were "normal" kinds of days for you. I was wrong. Sorry. I made assumptions based on a couple days postings and that was incredibly insensitive of me. I am wondering if perhaps Terry and Kirstie don't have something going there though talking about intolerances and yeast and such. I think posting your daily intake is a fantastic idea. When I was doing that I got a lot of feedback that helped me out a lot.As for the amount of carbs in a potato skin. A long time ago someone on the alt.support.diet.low-carb list posted that it would be about 11 carbs for the skin of 1/2 of a medium sized baking potato. I don't know if that is helpful to you or not. A.

August 22, 2000

That sounds more like it. And I only ate a half.

Alessandra (Sandi)ICQ #2695225

- I don't know if someone corrected this, USDA says 4.7 for one wholepotato skin :)Adria wrote:> > Well, I will apologize to you. I was thinking that having> days where you ate half a potato or days where you didn't eat> at all were "normal" kinds of days for you. I was wrong.> Sorry. I made assumptions based on a couple days postings and> that was incredibly insensitive of me.> > I am wondering if perhaps Terry and Kirstie don't have> something going there though talking about intolerances and> yeast and such. I think posting your daily intake is a> fantastic idea. When I was doing that I got a lot of feedback> that helped me out a lot.> > As for the amount of carbs in a potato skin. A long time ago> someone on the alt.support.diet.low-carb list posted that it> would be about 11 carbs for the skin of 1/2 of a medium sized> baking potato. I don't know if that is helpful to you or not.> > A.> ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------

August 22, 2000

Well if you were losing with the old menu then you shouldn't change it. Like they say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I cut out all the fun stuff because I wasn't losing.

Alessandra (Sandi)ICQ #2695225

Allesandra:I did all those things in the beginning too, I didn't sweat it, dietpop, loads of pepperoni and cheese, going in the upper teens with thecarbs, but now that I obsess over each carb, cut out the fun stuff, likethe pepperoni, it's then that I started cheating, and I seem to havebroken myself, I've had trouble losing ever since I started worryingabout the carbs...ugh...I'm only 5 pounds less than I was at thebeginning of march, imagine, so, I guess I should go back to my oldmenus and copy it word for word, I don;t know what else to do...but theysay KISS right? "keep it simple sweetie" and that's probably the best!Adria

August 22, 2000

Sandi,

Notice, I am putting myself on a nickname basis with you now. : ) The bacon really should boost your fat

intake which is what I was concerned with earlier. Do you have bacon every day? Could the salt or nitrates

in the bacon be a problem for you? I have never had pumpkin seeds, so I don't know if they could cause

problems or not. The ribs with 0 carb BBQ sauce sounds okay unless there is something in that sauce

that is problematic for you specifically. Did you make the sauce yourself? If not, where can I get some?

That sounds good! Actually, can I just come and eat at your house? As to the snack items, I would go

ahead and add some of these items back in. If they don't cause bloating, weight gain, or anything, they

probably are not the problem and why limit something that is not part of the problem.

Sweeteners can be a problem for some people, even if artificial. Do these things cause cravings for you?

If not, that may not be the problem either.

I would try adding some beef and cream cheese just in case it is a problem of not enough fat. I would

also do the questionnaire on the web site that I sent to see if yeast could be the culprit. It sure sounds

like it could be because you should be losing.

Jean

August 22, 2000

Sandi,

Some known intolerances that could conceivably crop up just from your menu

listed today would be:

If you have yeast, the mayonnaise and cheese could feed the yeast. I know

you didn't eat cheese, however.

If you a soy intolerant, the mayonnaise could well be made from soybean oil.

Some people react adversely to artificial sweeteners in products like SF

jello.

Some people also react to citric acid, also found in products like SF jello.

Preservatives in the bacon have been known to create problems for some.

Additionally, check the ingredients in the BBQ sauce. I can't emphasize

enough that there is NO SUCH THING as a 0 carb product. Everything has

carbs in it, including butter and meat (granted, they are only trace

amounts, but they are there). Your BBQ sauce says it is 0 carbs PER

SERVING, right? How much is a serving? All that means is that there is

less than 1/2 gram per serving. So if one serving is 1 tablespoon and you

had 4 tablespoons, then you could be getting almost 2 grams of carbs in that

sauce.

That's not such a big deal for people who are more carb tolerant than

others, but if you are one of the unfortunate few who much keep carbs down

to the absolute minimum, then every fraction of a carb may have be to

counted toward your daily allotment.

I never did see if you posted whether or not you are in ketosis. Are you in

ketosis? Have you been staying in ketosis?

Terry

August 23, 2000

I do not understand this BBQ sauce. it is 0 calorie 0 fat 0 sugar 0 carb

The first ingredient is purified triple filtered water so it is mostly water but it also has tomato paste, white vinegar, worcheschire sauce, oat cider, apple cider vinegar, cellulose gel, salt, soy sauce, minced onion, minced garlic, etc.

But it is surprisingly good.

NO I am NOT in ketosis.

Alessandra

Sandi,Some known intolerances that could conceivably crop up just from your menulisted today would be:If you have yeast, the mayonnaise and cheese could feed the yeast. I knowyou didn't eat cheese, however.If you a soy intolerant, the mayonnaise could well be made from soybean oil.Some people react adversely to artificial sweeteners in products like SFjello.Some people also react to citric acid, also found in products like SF jello.Preservatives in the bacon have been known to create problems for some.Additionally, check the ingredients in the BBQ sauce. I can't emphasizeenough that there is NO SUCH THING as a 0 carb product. Everything hascarbs in it, including butter and meat (granted, they are only traceamounts, but they are there). Your BBQ sauce says it is 0 carbs PERSERVING, right? How much is a serving? All that means is that there isless than 1/2 gram per serving. So if one serving is 1 tablespoon and youhad 4 tablespoons, then you could be getting almost 2 grams of carbs in thatsauce.That's not such a big deal for people who are more carb tolerant thanothers, but if you are one of the unfortunate few who much keep carbs downto the absolute minimum, then every fraction of a carb may have be tocounted toward your daily allotment.I never did see if you posted whether or not you are in ketosis. Are you inketosis? Have you been staying in ketosis?Terry

August 23, 2000

Jeannie just so I can put myself on a nickname basis with YOU now :}} You can come and eat at my house any time. As far as not enough fat. The ribs were plenty fatty.

None of the items that I took out caused me any problem. Nothing has caused cravings or bloating or anything. I only took them out because of the lack of weight loss, but that didn't help so I might as well put them back in, I guess. No I don't have bacon every day but I have it quite often.

As far as the sauce. I got it in D`lites and I know not many have one near them but if you want it, I could get you a bottle. It is only $3.99.