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>Hello Barb,

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>You asked about how to pick up ASL vocabulary. The easiest way is through

Terri,

I think it was that asked, not me. Great post though. I would like

to know if your cable tv lessons are a local thing or not.

>just use all of them. When I find out a sign I have been using is not

>used any more or done differently now, I just start changing it. I don't

>wait to get it 100% ASL before I use it.

Same here. I will also sign differently depending on whom I am with. With

Petya I will sign the sign she learned at school. Sometimes this is not the

same sign the deaf community prefers so I will change it if I am with a deaf

person.

>substituting, skipping words, and also picking out which words I really

>should know signs for. I try to remember these signs and hit the

>dictionary when I get home.

Yes, I do the same thing! Then I may make a list I need help with the next

time I see my sign instructor or another deaf person.

>I have had some difficulty with ASL seeming to be mostly adult

>oriented. For example I have asked deaf friends and interpreters

>for the following signs: pretend, show-off, yogurt, ginea pig,

>costume, and others I forget - and noone has been able to help me.

>A three year old can't fingerspell yogurt, so I made up a sign.

>Of course, now she says yogurt, but sometimes I still use that sign

>when her aids are out.

I have signs for pretend and show-off, both ASL signs. For pretend I have

an english sign and an ASL sign. As for being adult oriented it depends on

the child. For a deaf child of deaf parents their first language is likely

to be ASL. Saturday when I was interperting for this little girl at the

soccer game it was funny. First the coach told her what he wanted, I signed

it in English, then the parents signed it to the girl again in ASL.

>letters as I say them for a given word, so I fingerspell them as well

>to remove any ambiguity (her low frequency loss means a " b " sounds

>just like a " m " to her and they both look the same on the lips.

>so this helps.)

I have found that learning to fingerspell her spelling words helps Petya

remember the words when it comes time to take the spelling test.

>Good luck. I know my daughter's teachers are strongly anti-signing,

>but I haven't seen her delayed because of it. Instead it has

>served as an excellent transition and a good support for oral language.

>It also was a life saver during the terrible 2-3's. Her temper

>tantrums were AWFUL!!!! Then we learned a few signs and I could

>tell her where we were going and she could tell me what she wanted

>and everything got much better (not perfect). I also started using

>pictures to communicate and let her know what was going to happen

>I took pictures of everywhere!!! and lined them up each day and

>went through them with her so she knew ahead of time what was planned.

>I believe you should use anything that works for you and your child.

>Don't be limited by what some expert says (especially if they are not

>HoH and don't have an HoH child themselves to speak from some

>experience!). Use your imagination. If something is a problem,

>think about other ways you could communicate it (I act out things,

>draw series of pictures, do puppet shows, take her to places a day

>early so she knows where she will be going for tests or school,...)

How was the last off topic?

Barb

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>>I have had some difficulty with ASL seeming to be mostly adult

>>oriented. For example I have asked deaf friends and interpreters

>>for the following signs: pretend, show-off, yogurt, ginea pig,

>>costume, and others I forget - and noone has been able to help me.

>>A three year old can't fingerspell yogurt, so I made up a sign.

I have the Random House Webster's American Sign Language Dictionary. It

has signs for pretend, show-off, guinea pig and costume. Nothing for

yogurt though.

Barbara Handley

" I felt part of everything, part of animal and bird, tree and stone. If I

was part of everything, then I was also part of bridge and stream, of the

sharp rocks beneath the water and the tumbling, rushing waters. Even if I

fell into the waters, and even if I was swallowed up by them, I would still

be part of it all. In such a world, such a universe, nothing terrible

could happen to me. " --- Furlong

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started learning the alphabet and how to fingerspell his name when he

started school at three years old. After about a month, he could spell his

name. He can fingerspell a word while looking at it, but that's about it.

His teacher is very academic-oriented, and I think he'd be a lot happier in

a more relaxed environment! First grade sounds right to me.

Dixie

Re: Re: Which Type of Sign???

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>>About what age can a deaf child fingerspell......I mean in general.....1st

>>grade???

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>Yes, first grade is when we started teaching Petya to fingerspell. She

>could not remember her teacher's name. We all tried daily to get her to

>remember. Finally the TOD taught her how to fingerspell it and she came

>home that day and showed me. By the next day she was making the connection

>that she could spell fox and box too. (The teacher's name was Mrs. .)

>And that's when we hit on the idea it would help her with her spelling

>words.

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>Barb

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In a message dated 9/8/99 2:48:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

gprogers@... writes:

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>letters as I say them for a given word, so I fingerspell them as well

>to remove any ambiguity (her low frequency loss means a " b " sounds

>just like a " m " to her and they both look the same on the lips.

>so this helps.)

I have found that learning to fingerspell her spelling words helps Petya

remember the words when it comes time to take the spelling test. >>

About what age can a deaf child fingerspell......I mean in general.....1st

grade???

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In a message dated 9/8/99 9:29:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

gprogers@... writes:

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Yes, first grade is when we started teaching Petya to fingerspell. She

could not remember her teacher's name. We all tried daily to get her to

remember. Finally the TOD taught her how to fingerspell it and she came

home that day and showed me. By the next day she was making the connection

that she could spell fox and box too. (The teacher's name was Mrs. .)

And that's when we hit on the idea it would help her with her spelling

words.

Barb

>>

oh ok....my daughter JUST turned 3.....a few days ago and just began

Preschool......I can't wait until we can spell back and forth like that :)

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In a message dated 9/8/99 9:43:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

accounts@... writes:

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started learning the alphabet and how to fingerspell his name when he

started school at three years old. After about a month, he could spell his

name. He can fingerspell a word while looking at it, but that's about it.

His teacher is very academic-oriented, and I think he'd be a lot happier in

a more relaxed environment! First grade sounds right to me.

>>

WOW......so I could be working with my daughter on spelling her name etc??

She does spell out b-u-s after signing school but I think that is more

repeating than really " spelling " . Cool....maybe I will see if she can do it.

She does know most of the alphabet.

Thanks,

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In a message dated 9/8/99 11:08:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

celestej@... writes:

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> I agree. JJ was spelling wax, bus, bag, up and ice when she was three.

> At four she was spelling her name, telling her address - including

> spelling the street name, and an assortment of other words.

>

> Celeste

>

Hi Celeste and all,

My son could fingerspell short words at 3 too, and now at 6 is pretty adept,

tho' it is not his favourite mode of communication! With his fine motor

difficulties, it is a little harder for him and he makes errors, but he is

pretty darn good!

Orla

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>About what age can a deaf child fingerspell......I mean in general.....1st

>grade???

Yes, first grade is when we started teaching Petya to fingerspell. She

could not remember her teacher's name. We all tried daily to get her to

remember. Finally the TOD taught her how to fingerspell it and she came

home that day and showed me. By the next day she was making the connection

that she could spell fox and box too. (The teacher's name was Mrs. .)

And that's when we hit on the idea it would help her with her spelling

words.

Barb

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>>>A three year old can't fingerspell yogurt, so I made up a sign.

I do not want to start a controversy but a three year old can fingerspell-

sort of. The shape of the signed word is seen as a sign, when they are

older they will self correct. Eilish is 26 months and I fingerspell bus,

bagel and a few other really important words. She can recognize them and

makes her own " fingerspelled " response. For bus she signs " B-S " which is

kinda funny...

Ede

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>I do not want to start a controversy but a three year old can fingerspell-

>sort of. The shape of the signed word is seen as a sign, when they are

>older they will self correct. Eilish is 26 months and I fingerspell bus,

>bagel and a few other really important words. She can recognize them and

>makes her own " fingerspelled " response. For bus she signs " B-S " which is

>kinda funny...

>Ede

I agree. JJ was spelling wax, bus, bag, up and ice when she was three.

At four she was spelling her name, telling her address - including

spelling the street name, and an assortment of other words.

Celeste

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