Re: Re: A voice from the past, with a few q's

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Oh Bindi . . . I know! You might try keeping a journal of everything you eat, exercise, sleep, supplements, stress, etc. and how you feel. It may take a while, but if your symptoms are waxing and waning, you may find the answer there. Many of our women are chemically sensitive. . . You might try staying away from petroleum, tobacco, most cleaning chemicals, artificial scents, fabric softerners, pesticides, etc. to see if that helps. The Maker's Diet is outstanding for restoring health. Have you worked any detox programs? . .. I'm into a really busy time . .. so if I can't answer, please understand . .. I'm sure some of the ladies here can help. Hugs and prayers, Rogene

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This is just so frustrating to hear of these women who have had their implants removed, and are just as bad, or worse than when they had them! It makes me wonder if it's even worth the trouble and money to get them out sometimes! I know, I know...my expectations are way too high.freebindi <bindi@...> wrote: Rogene,I had my implants removed en bloc by Melmed in Dallas. The implants were not ruptured(I still have 'em!), the capsules were analyzed and were complete. I also had a platinum toxicity

test and it came back negative. I've had my thyroid levels tested several times (always normal)and I pretty sure I don't have celiac disease-- at least I don't think I do-- I don't have the typical signs and my blood levels for the most common vitamins are normal.I did have many tests when I first had vertigo and the doctors all gave different diagnoses, none of which fit. This was back when I had the implants.I'm pretty sure about the FMS diagnosis, as I have the "tender points" that confirm a positive diagnosis. There is a type of vertigo that supposedly is common to people with FMS, and I am curious if that is what I'm experiencing. I'm disappointed not to be improving any more than I am, but then again I was on the sicker end of the spectrum when I had the implants, so maybe I have a longer way to go than some? I don't know.All I know is I'm SO done with feeling cruddy. It's been 2 YEARS. Bindi---

In , Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:>> Bindi,> > You should be feeling better by now. Most of us have bad days occasionally . . . It's been over twelve years since I had my explant, and I still have problems if I don't stick with my program . . . > > Those who continue to have severe problems usually find out their capsules are still there. . . Do you know for sure your capsules were removed?> > A couple things to check - do a websearch. . . Celic disease . . . mycoplasma bacteria, thyroid disorders, etc. Have you checked with a doctor regarding the vertigo? > > Hugs,> > Rogene>

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But, one must remember, not getting them out guarantees you will

continue to get worse.

Lynda

At 11:22 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote:

>This is just so frustrating to hear of these women who have had

>their implants removed, and are just as bad, or worse than when they

>had them! It makes me wonder if it's even worth the trouble and

>money to get them out sometimes! I know, I know...my

>expectations are way too high.

>

>freebindi <bindi@...> wrote:

>Rogene,

>I had my implants removed en bloc by Melmed in Dallas. The implants

>were not ruptured(I still have 'em!), the capsules were analyzed and

>were complete. I also had a platinum toxicity test and it came back

>negative. I've had my thyroid levels tested several times (always

>normal)and I pretty sure I don't have celiac disease-- at least I

>don't think I do-- I don't have the typical signs and my blood

>levels for the most common vitamins are normal.

>I did have many tests when I first had vertigo and the doctors all

>gave different diagnoses, none of which fit. This was back when I

>had the implants.

>I'm pretty sure about the FMS diagnosis, as I have the " tender

>points " that confirm a positive diagnosis. There is a type of

>vertigo that supposedly is common to people with FMS, and I am

>curious if that is what I'm experiencing.

>I'm disappointed not to be improving any more than I am, but then

>again I was on the sicker end of the spectrum when I had the

>implants, so maybe I have a longer way to go than some? I don't know.

>All I know is I'm SO done with feeling cruddy. It's been 2 YEARS.

>Bindi

>

>

> >

> > Bindi,

> >

> > You should be feeling better by now. Most of us have bad days

>occasionally . . . It's been over twelve years since I had my

>explant, and I still have problems if I don't stick with my

>program . . .

> >

> > Those who continue to have severe problems usually find out

>their capsules are still there. . . Do you know for sure your

>capsules were removed?

> >

> > A couple things to check - do a websearch. . . Celic

>disease . . . mycoplasma bacteria, thyroid disorders, etc. Have you

>checked with a doctor regarding the vertigo?

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Rogene

> >

>

>

>

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Terri,

I'm sorry that you are still having trouble. It sucks, doesn't it? Hopefully your remaining symptoms will slowly and surely recede over time. At least you got those toxic things out of you. I am about the same, the neuro stuff seems to have backed off but not the pain and fatigue, though right now i have vertigo as well. Every once in a while I have a relatively pain-free day and I feel like i was just born. I get so excited and start doing too much, etc. Don't give up! Even if you have full-blown fibro, I've read that most people improve with a good diet, exercise, etc.

Bindi

Re: A voice from the past, with a few q's

Bindi,I am also having trouble with my fibro, I was explanted last August 24. All of neuro problems went away during that time, which I am so completely grateful for,but I still have really bad fatigue, neck pain,hip and back pain as well as migraines again. I guess if I had to choose of course I would still do explant I think it just takes some of longer, depending on how long and how severe our illness is, also I still have a partial capsule remaining. So I won't know for sure until I have that surgery UGHTerri P>> Haven't posted for awhile, but have read messages from time to time. > Hopefully everyone who'd had their implants out around the time that > I did(last Fall, as well as the rest of you,are doing well and > continuing to improve. > I am not doing too good and hoped I might compare my healing with > others. After explant I had some improvement, but then seemed to > plateau, and continued to experience what now seems to be fibro-like > symptoms (fatigue, widespread muscle pain, disturbed sleep, > dizziness, etc). I did notice that stress made things worse. I've > been just trying to ride with it,trying to take care of myself. Then > I went on a trip to visit some family, about 5 hours away, and was > there for three days. The day after I returned, I woke up with > TERRIBLE vertigo, which I have had for four days now. It isn't as > bad as when I had the implants but it's pretty debilitating. I am > stumped. Why now? What has been the experience of others, several > months after explant? Are all of you recovering well or is it just > me? Has anyone else found they continue to have "fibro-like" > symptoms, and is there hope for them to go away? I've been pretty > good about my diet, supplements, exercise, but it seems like I can't > deviate from my quotidian routine without a backlash of symptoms. > Anyway, thank you all for listening. I guess I'm just fishing for > some light at the end of the tunnel!> Thanks!> Bindi>

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What are you doing to detox? Assisting your body in eliminating toxins is very important. If you get the implants out, but do nothing to address the toxicity, you may be just treading water. PattyLeyna <leyna1964@...> wrote: This is just so frustrating to hear of these women who have had their implants removed, and are just as bad, or worse than when they had them! It makes me wonder if it's even worth the trouble and money to get them out

sometimes! I know, I know...my expectations are way too high.freebindi <bindiaaahawk> wrote: Rogene,I had my implants removed en bloc by Melmed in Dallas. The implants were not ruptured(I still have 'em!), the capsules were analyzed and were complete. I also had a platinum toxicity test and it came back negative. I've had my thyroid levels tested several times (always normal)and I pretty sure I don't have celiac disease-- at least I don't think I do-- I don't have the typical signs and my blood levels for the most common vitamins are normal.I did have many tests when I first had vertigo and the doctors all gave different diagnoses, none of which fit. This was back when I had the implants.I'm pretty sure about the FMS diagnosis, as I have the "tender points" that

confirm a positive diagnosis. There is a type of vertigo that supposedly is common to people with FMS, and I am curious if that is what I'm experiencing. I'm disappointed not to be improving any more than I am, but then again I was on the sicker end of the spectrum when I had the implants, so maybe I have a longer way to go than some? I don't know.All I know is I'm SO done with feeling cruddy. It's been 2 YEARS. Bindi>> Bindi,> > You should be feeling better by now. Most of us have bad days occasionally . . . It's been over twelve years since I had my explant, and I still have problems if I don't stick with my program . . . > > Those who continue to have severe problems usually find out their capsules are still there. . . Do you know for

sure your capsules were removed?> > A couple things to check - do a websearch. . . Celic disease . . . mycoplasma bacteria, thyroid disorders, etc. Have you checked with a doctor regarding the vertigo? > > Hugs,> > Rogene> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small Business.

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Grapefruit seed extract and apple cider vinegar do. Most of the other stuff I take is for mood and thyroid.Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: Do any of the supplements you take directly address detoxification?Kenda> Tricia,> Well, let's see. I drink apple cider vinegar twice a day. I take literally> TONS of vitamins. I eat about 75% organic foods. I excercise daily. I take> two tablespoons of flaxseed every day. I eat yoghurt every single day, as well> as take

acidophilous and Grapefruit Seed Extract twice a day. I drink nothing> but filtered water and organic juices. I was doing Coconut oil, but it messed> up my thyroid too bad, so I quit that. I eat a lot of organic fruits and raw> vegetables. I try to get out in the sun every day to sweat...after explant> I'm going to probably join a gym that has a sauna. I've done several colon> cleanses, a parasite cleanse, and attempted a Candida cleanse, but that one> was really hard. lol So far that's it, but I will hopefully really get into> it once I'm explanted and have my strength back again.> > Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401 > wrote:> What are you doing to detox?> > Assisting your body in eliminating toxins is very important. If you get the> implants out, but do nothing to address the toxicity, you may be just treading>

water. > Patty> > Leyna <leyna1964 > wrote:> This is just so frustrating to hear of these women who have had their> implants removed, and are just as bad, or worse than when they had them! It> makes me wonder if it's even worth the trouble and money to get them out> sometimes! I know, I know...my expectations are way too high.> > freebindi <bindiaaahawk> wrote: Rogene,> I had my implants removed en bloc by Melmed in Dallas. The implants> were not ruptured(I still have 'em!), the capsules were analyzed and> were complete. I also had a platinum toxicity test and it came back> negative. I've had my thyroid levels tested several times (always> normal)and I pretty sure I don't have celiac disease-- at least I> don't think I do-- I don't have the typical

signs and my blood> levels for the most common vitamins are normal.> I did have many tests when I first had vertigo and the doctors all> gave different diagnoses, none of which fit. This was back when I> had the implants.> I'm pretty sure about the FMS diagnosis, as I have the "tender> points" that confirm a positive diagnosis. There is a type of> vertigo that supposedly is common to people with FMS, and I am> curious if that is what I'm experiencing.> I'm disappointed not to be improving any more than I am, but then> again I was on the sicker end of the spectrum when I had the> implants, so maybe I have a longer way to go than some? I don't know.> All I know is I'm SO done with feeling cruddy. It's been 2 YEARS.> Bindi> > --- In , Rogene S <saxony01@...>

wrote:>> >> Bindi,>> >> You should be feeling better by now. Most of us have bad days> occasionally . . . It's been over twelve years since I had my> explant, and I still have problems if I don't stick with my> program . . . >> >> Those who continue to have severe problems usually find out> their capsules are still there. . . Do you know for sure your> capsules were removed?>> >> A couple things to check - do a websearch. . . Celic> disease . . . mycoplasma bacteria, thyroid disorders, etc. Have you> checked with a doctor regarding the vertigo?>> >> Hugs,>> >> Rogene>> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small> Business. > > >

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Does grapefruit seed extract help with detoxing? I know that it is

antibacterial but have never heard it used for detoxification. I would

recommend that you get on milk thistle, NAC, and/or alpha lipoic acid for

detoxification. Apple cider vinegar may help but I doubt that it's strong

enough to get the job done. You've been poisoned by implants and need

strong supplements to clean up the mess they left.

Kenda

> Grapefruit seed extract and apple cider vinegar do. Most of the other stuff I

> take is for mood and thyroid.

>

> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: Do any of the

> supplements you take directly address detoxification?

>

> Kenda

>

>> Tricia,

>> Well, let's see. I drink apple cider vinegar twice a day. I take literally

>> TONS of vitamins. I eat about 75% organic foods. I excercise daily. I take

>> two tablespoons of flaxseed every day. I eat yoghurt every single day, as

>> well

>> as take acidophilous and Grapefruit Seed Extract twice a day. I drink nothing

>> but filtered water and organic juices. I was doing Coconut oil, but it messed

>> up my thyroid too bad, so I quit that. I eat a lot of organic fruits and raw

>> vegetables. I try to get out in the sun every day to sweat...after explant

>> I'm going to probably join a gym that has a sauna. I've done several colon

>> cleanses, a parasite cleanse, and attempted a Candida cleanse, but that one

>> was really hard. lol So far that's it, but I will hopefully really get into

>> it once I'm explanted and have my strength back again.

>>

>> Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote:

>> What are you doing to detox?

>>

>> Assisting your body in eliminating toxins is very important. If you get the

>> implants out, but do nothing to address the toxicity, you may be just

>> treading

>> water.

>> Patty

>>

>> Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote:

>> This is just so frustrating to hear of these women who have had their

>> implants removed, and are just as bad, or worse than when they had them! It

>> makes me wonder if it's even worth the trouble and money to get them out

>> sometimes! I know, I know...my expectations are way too high.

>>

>> freebindi <bindi@...> wrote: Rogene,

>> I had my implants removed en bloc by Melmed in Dallas. The implants

>> were not ruptured(I still have 'em!), the capsules were analyzed and

>> were complete. I also had a platinum toxicity test and it came back

>> negative. I've had my thyroid levels tested several times (always

>> normal)and I pretty sure I don't have celiac disease-- at least I

>> don't think I do-- I don't have the typical signs and my blood

>> levels for the most common vitamins are normal.

>> I did have many tests when I first had vertigo and the doctors all

>> gave different diagnoses, none of which fit. This was back when I

>> had the implants.

>> I'm pretty sure about the FMS diagnosis, as I have the " tender

>> points " that confirm a positive diagnosis. There is a type of

>> vertigo that supposedly is common to people with FMS, and I am

>> curious if that is what I'm experiencing.

>> I'm disappointed not to be improving any more than I am, but then

>> again I was on the sicker end of the spectrum when I had the

>> implants, so maybe I have a longer way to go than some? I don't know.

>> All I know is I'm SO done with feeling cruddy. It's been 2 YEARS.

>> Bindi

>>

>>

>>>

>>> Bindi,

>>>

>>> You should be feeling better by now. Most of us have bad days

>> occasionally . . . It's been over twelve years since I had my

>> explant, and I still have problems if I don't stick with my

>> program . . .

>>>

>>> Those who continue to have severe problems usually find out

>> their capsules are still there. . . Do you know for sure your

>> capsules were removed?

>>>

>>> A couple things to check - do a websearch. . . Celic

>> disease . . . mycoplasma bacteria, thyroid disorders, etc. Have you

>> checked with a doctor regarding the vertigo?

>>>

>>> Hugs,

>>>

>>> Rogene

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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Kenda, I'm already taking Milk Thistle twice a day, and Alpha Lipoic Acid every morning. I don't know what NAC is though...???Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: Does grapefruit seed extract help with detoxing? I know that it isantibacterial but have never heard it used for detoxification. I wouldrecommend that you get on milk thistle, NAC, and/or alpha lipoic acid fordetoxification. Apple cider vinegar may help but I doubt that it's strongenough to get the job done. You've been

poisoned by implants and needstrong supplements to clean up the mess they left.Kenda> Grapefruit seed extract and apple cider vinegar do. Most of the other stuff I> take is for mood and thyroid.> > Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable> wrote: Do any of the> supplements you take directly address detoxification?> > Kenda> >> Tricia,>> Well, let's see. I drink apple cider vinegar twice a day. I take literally>> TONS of vitamins. I eat about 75% organic foods. I excercise daily. I take>> two tablespoons of flaxseed every day. I eat yoghurt every single day, as>> well>> as take acidophilous and Grapefruit Seed Extract twice a day. I drink nothing>> but filtered water and organic juices. I was doing Coconut oil, but it messed>> up my thyroid too bad, so I quit that. I eat a

lot of organic fruits and raw>> vegetables. I try to get out in the sun every day to sweat...after explant>> I'm going to probably join a gym that has a sauna. I've done several colon>> cleanses, a parasite cleanse, and attempted a Candida cleanse, but that one>> was really hard. lol So far that's it, but I will hopefully really get into>> it once I'm explanted and have my strength back again.>> >> Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401 > wrote:>> What are you doing to detox?>> >> Assisting your body in eliminating toxins is very important. If you get the>> implants out, but do nothing to address the toxicity, you may be just>> treading>> water. >> Patty>> >> Leyna <leyna1964 >

wrote:>> This is just so frustrating to hear of these women who have had their>> implants removed, and are just as bad, or worse than when they had them! It>> makes me wonder if it's even worth the trouble and money to get them out>> sometimes! I know, I know...my expectations are way too high.>> >> freebindi <bindiaaahawk> wrote: Rogene,>> I had my implants removed en bloc by Melmed in Dallas. The implants>> were not ruptured(I still have 'em!), the capsules were analyzed and>> were complete. I also had a platinum toxicity test and it came back>> negative. I've had my thyroid levels tested several times (always>> normal)and I pretty sure I don't have celiac disease-- at least I>> don't think I do-- I don't have the typical signs and my blood>> levels for the most common vitamins are

normal.>> I did have many tests when I first had vertigo and the doctors all>> gave different diagnoses, none of which fit. This was back when I>> had the implants.>> I'm pretty sure about the FMS diagnosis, as I have the "tender>> points" that confirm a positive diagnosis. There is a type of>> vertigo that supposedly is common to people with FMS, and I am>> curious if that is what I'm experiencing.>> I'm disappointed not to be improving any more than I am, but then>> again I was on the sicker end of the spectrum when I had the>> implants, so maybe I have a longer way to go than some? I don't know.>> All I know is I'm SO done with feeling cruddy. It's been 2 YEARS.>> Bindi>> >> >>>

>>> Bindi,>>> >>> You should be feeling better by now. Most of us have bad days>> occasionally . . . It's been over twelve years since I had my>> explant, and I still have problems if I don't stick with my>> program . . . >>> >>> Those who continue to have severe problems usually find out>> their capsules are still there. . . Do you know for sure your>> capsules were removed?>>> >>> A couple things to check - do a websearch. . . Celic>> disease . . . mycoplasma bacteria, thyroid disorders, etc. Have you>> checked with a doctor regarding the vertigo?>>> >>> Hugs,>>> >>> Rogene>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------->> Get your own web address for just

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Actually apple cider vinegar is great for alkalizing the body, and that is very much needed. An alkaline body will be in much better condition than an acidic one. It may not do the job alone in terms of detoxing, but it will be an important contributor to achieving the right conditions. PattyKenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: Does grapefruit seed extract help with detoxing? I know that it isantibacterial but have never heard it used for detoxification. I wouldrecommend

that you get on milk thistle, NAC, and/or alpha lipoic acid fordetoxification. Apple cider vinegar may help but I doubt that it's strongenough to get the job done. You've been poisoned by implants and needstrong supplements to clean up the mess they left.Kenda> Grapefruit seed extract and apple cider vinegar do. Most of the other stuff I> take is for mood and thyroid.> > Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable> wrote: Do any of the> supplements you take directly address detoxification?> > Kenda> >> Tricia,>> Well, let's see. I drink apple cider vinegar twice a day. I take literally>> TONS of vitamins. I eat about 75% organic foods. I excercise daily. I take>> two tablespoons of flaxseed every day. I eat yoghurt every single day, as>> well>> as take acidophilous and Grapefruit Seed

Extract twice a day. I drink nothing>> but filtered water and organic juices. I was doing Coconut oil, but it messed>> up my thyroid too bad, so I quit that. I eat a lot of organic fruits and raw>> vegetables. I try to get out in the sun every day to sweat...after explant>> I'm going to probably join a gym that has a sauna. I've done several colon>> cleanses, a parasite cleanse, and attempted a Candida cleanse, but that one>> was really hard. lol So far that's it, but I will hopefully really get into>> it once I'm explanted and have my strength back again.>> >> Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401 > wrote:>> What are you doing to detox?>> >> Assisting your body in eliminating toxins is very important. If you get the>> implants out, but do nothing to address the toxicity, you may be

just>> treading>> water. >> Patty>> >> Leyna <leyna1964 > wrote:>> This is just so frustrating to hear of these women who have had their>> implants removed, and are just as bad, or worse than when they had them! It>> makes me wonder if it's even worth the trouble and money to get them out>> sometimes! I know, I know...my expectations are way too high.>> >> freebindi <bindiaaahawk> wrote: Rogene,>> I had my implants removed en bloc by Melmed in Dallas. The implants>> were not ruptured(I still have 'em!), the capsules were analyzed and>> were complete. I also had a platinum toxicity test and it came back>> negative. I've had my thyroid levels tested several times (always>> normal)and I pretty sure

I don't have celiac disease-- at least I>> don't think I do-- I don't have the typical signs and my blood>> levels for the most common vitamins are normal.>> I did have many tests when I first had vertigo and the doctors all>> gave different diagnoses, none of which fit. This was back when I>> had the implants.>> I'm pretty sure about the FMS diagnosis, as I have the "tender>> points" that confirm a positive diagnosis. There is a type of>> vertigo that supposedly is common to people with FMS, and I am>> curious if that is what I'm experiencing.>> I'm disappointed not to be improving any more than I am, but then>> again I was on the sicker end of the spectrum when I had the>> implants, so maybe I have a longer way to go than some? I don't know.>> All I know is I'm SO done with feeling cruddy. It's been 2 YEARS.>> Bindi>>

>> >>> >>> Bindi,>>> >>> You should be feeling better by now. Most of us have bad days>> occasionally . . . It's been over twelve years since I had my>> explant, and I still have problems if I don't stick with my>> program . . . >>> >>> Those who continue to have severe problems usually find out>> their capsules are still there. . . Do you know for sure your>> capsules were removed?>>> >>> A couple things to check - do a websearch. . . Celic>> disease . . . mycoplasma bacteria, thyroid disorders, etc. Have you>> checked with a doctor regarding the vertigo?>>> >>> Hugs,>>> >>> Rogene>>>

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Here is some info on NAC:

N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC) For Mercury Detoxification

What Is NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine)?

NAC is produced in living organisms from the amino acid cysteine. Thus, NAC

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and heavy metals. This improves your cellular health tremendously.

How NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) Works To Detoxify From Mercury

Mercury Amalgams : " I don't feel comfortable using a substance designated by

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. Fischer, D.D.S.

N-Acetyl-Cysteine is currently the dietary supplement of choice for building

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potential anticancer benefits of NAC treatment were evaluated by taking a

biopsy of the rectum. Individuals taking NAC at 800 mg daily for 12 weeks

showed more normal cells in the biopsied tissue as compared to those in the

placebo group.

Immunologically, NAC greatly enhances T-cell production. In fact, all AIDS

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replication of HIV in vitro and enhances the ability of certain immune cells

to kill pathogens. A double-blind study at Stanford University of 45 people,

suggested that NAC may increase levels of CD4+ cells (a type of immune cell)

in healthy people and slow CD4+ cell decline in people with HIV. Patient

given 3200mg to 8000mg of NAC daily for 6 weeks were roughly twice as likely

to survive for 2 years as the subject that did not take NAC.

 

NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) - a friend to your liver

NAC can help to prevent damage to the liver caused from overuse of

acetaminophen (Tylenol). NAC is the standard medical treatment for

acetaminophen overdose. It is prudent to take NAC whenever one uses

acetaminophen.

NAC is an excellent mucolytic agent. It keeps the membranes of the

respiratory system moist, thereby lessening the irritation of dry air, dust,

and pollutants. It also helps the immune system to do its job properly in

the respiratory tract. NAC is available as a prescription drug for this

purpose, but you can buy NAC over the counter for far less money.

NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) - Take Plenty Of Vitamin C

N-Acetyl Cysteine is a more stable compound than taking oral cysteine, but

as it is metabolized, some N-Acetyl Cysteine may be oxidized and become

insoluble. This may form kidney stones. It is therefore recommended that

individuals taking NAC take 3 times as much vitamin C when taking NAC to

prevent the NAC from being oxydized. Diabetics should consult their

physician before using N-Acetyl-Cysteine, since it may have an

insulin-blocking effect.

N-Acetyl Cysteine is one of the pillars of a good mercury detoxification

program, the others being chlorella, MSM and the herb cilantro, which is

discussed here. My favorite source for organic cilantro in 1 pound bags is

here. Garlic is also a good mercury chelator.

> Kenda,

> I'm already taking Milk Thistle twice a day, and Alpha Lipoic Acid every

> morning. I don't know what NAC is though...???

>

> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote:

> Does grapefruit seed extract help with detoxing? I know that it is

> antibacterial but have never heard it used for detoxification. I would

> recommend that you get on milk thistle, NAC, and/or alpha lipoic acid for

> detoxification. Apple cider vinegar may help but I doubt that it's strong

> enough to get the job done. You've been poisoned by implants and need

> strong supplements to clean up the mess they left.

>

> Kenda

>

>> Grapefruit seed extract and apple cider vinegar do. Most of the other stuff I

>> take is for mood and thyroid.

>>

>> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: Do any of the

>> supplements you take directly address detoxification?

>>

>> Kenda

>>

>>> Tricia,

>>> Well, let's see. I drink apple cider vinegar twice a day. I take literally

>>> TONS of vitamins. I eat about 75% organic foods. I excercise daily. I take

>>> two tablespoons of flaxseed every day. I eat yoghurt every single day, as

>>> well

>>> as take acidophilous and Grapefruit Seed Extract twice a day. I drink

>>> nothing

>>> but filtered water and organic juices. I was doing Coconut oil, but it

>>> messed

>>> up my thyroid too bad, so I quit that. I eat a lot of organic fruits and raw

>>> vegetables. I try to get out in the sun every day to sweat...after explant

>>> I'm going to probably join a gym that has a sauna. I've done several colon

>>> cleanses, a parasite cleanse, and attempted a Candida cleanse, but that one

>>> was really hard. lol So far that's it, but I will hopefully really get into

>>> it once I'm explanted and have my strength back again.

>>>

>>> Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote:

>>> What are you doing to detox?

>>>

>>> Assisting your body in eliminating toxins is very important. If you get the

>>> implants out, but do nothing to address the toxicity, you may be just

>>> treading

>>> water.

>>> Patty

>>>

>>> Leyna <leyna1964@...> wrote:

>>> This is just so frustrating to hear of these women who have had their

>>> implants removed, and are just as bad, or worse than when they had them! It

>>> makes me wonder if it's even worth the trouble and money to get them out

>>> sometimes! I know, I know...my expectations are way too high.

>>>

>>> freebindi <bindi@...> wrote: Rogene,

>>> I had my implants removed en bloc by Melmed in Dallas. The implants

>>> were not ruptured(I still have 'em!), the capsules were analyzed and

>>> were complete. I also had a platinum toxicity test and it came back

>>> negative. I've had my thyroid levels tested several times (always

>>> normal)and I pretty sure I don't have celiac disease-- at least I

>>> don't think I do-- I don't have the typical signs and my blood

>>> levels for the most common vitamins are normal.

>>> I did have many tests when I first had vertigo and the doctors all

>>> gave different diagnoses, none of which fit. This was back when I

>>> had the implants.

>>> I'm pretty sure about the FMS diagnosis, as I have the " tender

>>> points " that confirm a positive diagnosis. There is a type of

>>> vertigo that supposedly is common to people with FMS, and I am

>>> curious if that is what I'm experiencing.

>>> I'm disappointed not to be improving any more than I am, but then

>>> again I was on the sicker end of the spectrum when I had the

>>> implants, so maybe I have a longer way to go than some? I don't know.

>>> All I know is I'm SO done with feeling cruddy. It's been 2 YEARS.

>>> Bindi

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>> Bindi,

>>>>

>>>> You should be feeling better by now. Most of us have bad days

>>> occasionally . . . It's been over twelve years since I had my

>>> explant, and I still have problems if I don't stick with my

>>> program . . .

>>>>

>>>> Those who continue to have severe problems usually find out

>>> their capsules are still there. . . Do you know for sure your

>>> capsules were removed?

>>>>

>>>> A couple things to check - do a websearch. . . Celic

>>> disease . . . mycoplasma bacteria, thyroid disorders, etc. Have you

>>> checked with a doctor regarding the vertigo?

>>>>

>>>> Hugs,

>>>>

>>>> Rogene

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ---------------------------------

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>>> Business.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

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>>

>>

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Another good chelator is Modified Citrus Pectin, which is antitumorigenic and antimetastatic as well. Tastes nasty, though. Like eating plain Knox gelatin. :}

Bindi

Re: Re: A voice from the past, with a few q's

Here is some info on NAC:N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC) For Mercury DetoxificationWhat Is NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine)?NAC is produced in living organisms from the amino acid cysteine. Thus, NACis a natural sulfur-containing amino acid derivative found naturally infoods and is a powerful antioxidant. These dual properties help repairoxidative damage in the body. Being a powerful anti-oxidant and celldetoxification co-factor, NAC works to eliminate your body of free radicalsand heavy metals. This improves your cellular health tremendously.How NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) Works To Detoxify From MercuryMercury Amalgams : "I don't feel comfortable using a substance designated bythe Environmental Protection Agency to be a waste disposal hazard. I can'tthrow it in the trash, bury it in the ground, or put it in a landfill, butthey say it is OK to put it in people's mouths. That doesn't make sense." -. Fischer, D.D.S.N-Acetyl-Cysteine is currently the dietary supplement of choice for buildingup cysteine or conserving the body's store of Glutathione, Cysteine andother Sulfhydryl anti-oxidant resources. This is very crucial for the body'slife functions, as NAC helps the body neutralize toxins, heavy metals, suchas mercury from dental amalgam fillings, cadmium and lead from paint andcigarette smoke. The Sulfhydryl balance has also been linked to enhanceresistance to viral infections.NAC is a chelator of heavy metals. In other words, NAC binds to toxic heavymetals such as mercury and lead, and removes them from the body. This is aslow process, but most chelating agents, such as EDTA, are generally givenintravenously. NAC is one of the most effective oral chelating agents. Takenregularly over a period of time, NAC will remove many toxic heavy metalsfrom the body. Toxic metals can accumulate in the body over time from manysources such as drinking water and possibly even from tooth fillings made ofsilver-mercury amalgam. These heavy metals catalyze free-radical reactions.In other words, they initiate free-radical reactions without being used upduring the reaction. So these heavy metals continue to cause free radicaldamage as long as they are present in the body.NAC has been shown to antidote acetaminophen (Tylenol) poisoning, mercurypoisoning, and even arsenic poisoning. Mercury is especially importantbecause of the increasing evidence linking mercury amalgam dental fillingswith the onset of degenerative diseases such as Multiple Sclerosis. NACchelates, i.e. "grabs" heavy metals and removes them from the body.NAC has been shown to be a protective agent in many diseases and conditionsin which free radicals play a role. This includes cancer, AIDS, cirrhosis,as well as pollution damage from smoking or other chemicals. Rats given NACwere completely protected against cigarette smoke caused DNA cross-linking.NAC helps with mercury toxicity and other conditionsCancer research has shown that NAC dramatically reduces the ability of atumor to invade surrounding tissue. In one study, NAC decreased the numberof metastases by 80% when cancer cells were pretreated with NAC. NAC can beused for colon cancer prevention. A preliminary double-blindplacebo-controlled study of NAC enrolled 62 individuals, each of whom hadhad a polyp removed from the colon. The abnormal growth of polyps is closelyassociated with the development of colon cancer. In this study, thepotential anticancer benefits of NAC treatment were evaluated by taking abiopsy of the rectum. Individuals taking NAC at 800 mg daily for 12 weeksshowed more normal cells in the biopsied tissue as compared to those in theplacebo group.Immunologically, NAC greatly enhances T-cell production. In fact, all AIDSpatients are deficient in NAC and glutathione. NAC suppresses thereplication of HIV in vitro and enhances the ability of certain immune cellsto kill pathogens. A double-blind study at Stanford University of 45 people,suggested that NAC may increase levels of CD4+ cells (a type of immune cell)in healthy people and slow CD4+ cell decline in people with HIV. Patientgiven 3200mg to 8000mg of NAC daily for 6 weeks were roughly twice as likelyto survive for 2 years as the subject that did not take NAC. NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) - a friend to your liverNAC can help to prevent damage to the liver caused from overuse ofacetaminophen (Tylenol). NAC is the standard medical treatment foracetaminophen overdose. It is prudent to take NAC whenever one usesacetaminophen.NAC is an excellent mucolytic agent. It keeps the membranes of therespiratory system moist, thereby lessening the irritation of dry air, dust,and pollutants. It also helps the immune system to do its job properly inthe respiratory tract. NAC is available as a prescription drug for thispurpose, but you can buy NAC over the counter for far less money.NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine) - Take Plenty Of Vitamin CN-Acetyl Cysteine is a more stable compound than taking oral cysteine, butas it is metabolized, some N-Acetyl Cysteine may be oxidized and becomeinsoluble. This may form kidney stones. It is therefore recommended thatindividuals taking NAC take 3 times as much vitamin C when taking NAC toprevent the NAC from being oxydized. Diabetics should consult theirphysician before using N-Acetyl-Cysteine, since it may have aninsulin-blocking effect.N-Acetyl Cysteine is one of the pillars of a good mercury detoxificationprogram, the others being chlorella, MSM and the herb cilantro, which isdiscussed here. My favorite source for organic cilantro in 1 pound bags ishere. Garlic is also a good mercury chelator.> Kenda,> I'm already taking Milk Thistle twice a day, and Alpha Lipoic Acid every> morning. I don't know what NAC is though...???> > Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable> wrote:> Does grapefruit seed extract help with detoxing? I know that it is> antibacterial but have never heard it used for detoxification. I would> recommend that you get on milk thistle, NAC, and/or alpha lipoic acid for> detoxification. Apple cider vinegar may help but I doubt that it's strong> enough to get the job done. You've been poisoned by implants and need> strong supplements to clean up the mess they left.> > Kenda> >> Grapefruit seed extract and apple cider vinegar do. Most of the other stuff I>> take is for mood and thyroid.>> >> Kenda Skaggs <skaggscountycable> wrote: Do any of the>> supplements you take directly address detoxification?>> >> Kenda>> >>> Tricia,>>> Well, let's see. I drink apple cider vinegar twice a day. I take literally>>> TONS of vitamins. I eat about 75% organic foods. I excercise daily. I take>>> two tablespoons of flaxseed every day. I eat yoghurt every single day, as>>> well>>> as take acidophilous and Grapefruit Seed Extract twice a day. I drink>>> nothing>>> but filtered water and organic juices. I was doing Coconut oil, but it>>> messed>>> up my thyroid too bad, so I quit that. I eat a lot of organic fruits and raw>>> vegetables. I try to get out in the sun every day to sweat...after explant>>> I'm going to probably join a gym that has a sauna. I've done several colon>>> cleanses, a parasite cleanse, and attempted a Candida cleanse, but that one>>> was really hard. lol So far that's it, but I will hopefully really get into>>> it once I'm explanted and have my strength back again.>>> >>> Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401 > wrote:>>> What are you doing to detox?>>> >>> Assisting your body in eliminating toxins is very important. If you get the>>> implants out, but do nothing to address the toxicity, you may be just>>> treading>>> water. >>> Patty>>> >>> Leyna <leyna1964 > wrote:>>> This is just so frustrating to hear of these women who have had their>>> implants removed, and are just as bad, or worse than when they had them! It>>> makes me wonder if it's even worth the trouble and money to get them out>>> sometimes! I know, I know...my expectations are way too high.>>> >>> freebindi <bindiaaahawk> wrote: Rogene,>>> I had my implants removed en bloc by Melmed in Dallas. The implants>>> were not ruptured(I still have 'em!), the capsules were analyzed and>>> were complete. I also had a platinum toxicity test and it came back>>> negative. I've had my thyroid levels tested several times (always>>> normal)and I pretty sure I don't have celiac disease-- at least I>>> don't think I do-- I don't have the typical signs and my blood>>> levels for the most common vitamins are normal.>>> I did have many tests when I first had vertigo and the doctors all>>> gave different diagnoses, none of which fit. This was back when I>>> had the implants.>>> I'm pretty sure about the FMS diagnosis, as I have the "tender>>> points" that confirm a positive diagnosis. There is a type of>>> vertigo that supposedly is common to people with FMS, and I am>>> curious if that is what I'm experiencing.>>> I'm disappointed not to be improving any more than I am, but then>>> again I was on the sicker end of the spectrum when I had the>>> implants, so maybe I have a longer way to go than some? I don't know.>>> All I know is I'm SO done with feeling cruddy. It's been 2 YEARS.>>> Bindi>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Bindi,>>>> >>>> You should be feeling better by now. Most of us have bad days>>> occasionally . . . It's been over twelve years since I had my>>> explant, and I still have problems if I don't stick with my>>> program . . . >>>> >>>> Those who continue to have severe problems usually find out>>> their capsules are still there. . . Do you know for sure your>>> capsules were removed?>>>> >>>> A couple things to check - do a websearch. . . Celic>>> disease . . . mycoplasma bacteria, thyroid disorders, etc. Have you>>> checked with a doctor regarding the vertigo?>>>> >>>> Hugs,>>>> >>>> Rogene>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------->>> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Small>>> Business. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------->>> All-new - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done>>> faster. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------->>> Do you ?>>> Get on board. You're invited to try the new .>> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________________________>>