Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I added 30mg Armour twice a day, alont with my T3. However if you remember my FT3 was high my last lab and you thought I was still low cortisol and not getting enough T3 to the cells. How will I know if I go hyper if not getting to cells? As I said before my standing BP will go up good one time and down the next. Don't I need the standing BP to stay above sitting BP in order for cortisol to distribute the T3 to the cells? I am watching my water intake and I do believe that has been part of my problem. Didn't drink as much yesterday and the standing BP was down some this morning. Drank some every hour so far and noticed it was up again before I took my next HC and T3. I am going to see another doc on the 28th, pray for me that he is the one that will listen and work with me, then I may get another lab test. The last one Dec 15 is where we found low sodium, potassium, low Vit D. I even added B12 cause red blood cells low with a real good ferritan test. Oh, how long should I take the potassium??? Don't want to overdo that one and cause more trouble. > n I didn't taper OFF the T3 I took about 2 months to switch ovre so > you would need alot more T3 . I don't think going so VERY hypo a it > would make you to taper off T3 first would help you in any way. I > actually aded in Armour to start then waited about a week thn dropped > 1/2 tab of T3 then waitied till I felt hyper whihc was another week > plus, thne dropped the other 12.5mcg thne waited a couple weeks to ad > more Armour etc. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 If the thyroid (namely T3) is not able to get to the cells your RT3 will build too high again before youget hyper,. As your T4 goes too high from not being utilized the body's protection kicks in to start making more RT3 than T3. You might do best to stay ona low dose of Amrour for a while and get the adrenals SORTED before trying to raise it again. And I knwo that is a PIA as you will go hypo but it may be needed to knwo where your adrneals are first. Then you wil not have all this confuision if it si thyroid or adrenals. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 OK but I am on 75mcg of Cytomel and 60mg of Armour right now, started Armour on the 20th. Should I start cutting back on the T3 now and stay 60mg Armour, then up the Armour 60mg in a week??? I will be glad to go hypo if I can get this all sorted out. Tell me what you want me to do on the Armour and T3 and I will do it. Thanks so much. > If the thyroid (namely T3) is not able to get to the cells your RT3 will > build too high again before youget hyper,. As your T4 goes too high from > not being utilized the body's protection kicks in to start making more > RT3 than T3. You might do best to stay ona low dose of Amrour for a > while and get the adrenals SORTED before trying to raise it again. And I > knwo that is a PIA as you will go hypo but it may be needed to knwo > where your adrneals are first. Then you wil not have all this confuision > if it si thyroid or adrenals. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 I would stay on the 60mg Armoru an up it to 90mg in a week while dropping to 50mcg T3,then in a ocuple more weeks drop to 25mcg T3. That should lower your cortilsl needs quite a bit. But let;s see what your temps and pulse do wiht that, -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2009 Report Share Posted January 22, 2009 Ok Val I will stay on 60mg a few more days, then in a weeks time on it I will up Armour to 90mg and drop 25mcg of T3 at the same time. Then in two more weeks I will drop another 25mcg T3, leaving me taking 90mg Armour and 25mcg T3. Is this correct, don't want to goof here???? I will keep good track of my temps and pulse in my journal for you. > I would stay on the 60mg Armoru an up it to 90mg in a week while > dropping to 50mcg T3,then in a ocuple more weeks drop to 25mcg T3. That > should lower your cortilsl needs quite a bit. But let;s see what your > temps and pulse do wiht that, > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 I have been on Armour 60mg for a week now. Am adding 30mg today and taking away 25mcg of T3. I have noticed yesterday and today that I am a little bit shaky, kind of nervous like. Could that mean that possibly the T3 is getting to my cells and I am going a little hyper??? I've never been hyper before so am not sure exactly what I am looking for. What do you think Val??? I see new doc tomorrow afternoon, hoping he will keep me and I can get a blood test to see where I am at with the T3. I have one other question however. When you said my sodium and potassium were horribly low, you said their ranges were off. What is the ranges for sodium and potassium that you think they should be so I can tell the doc tomorrow. Thanks alot in advance > I would stay on the 60mg Armoru an up it to 90mg in a week while > dropping to 50mcg T3,then in a ocuple more weeks drop to 25mcg T3. That > should lower your cortilsl needs quite a bit. But let;s see what your > temps and pulse do wiht that, > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Yes it could be some of that T3 is finalyl gettign there and working. I prefer to see sodium between 142-144 and potassium around 4.2 -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I saw another doc wednesday, he would not take on the cortisol problem. He said he is not qualified, said you have to be specialized. But he did give me another BP med amlodipine 5mg, sad to take it in evening and not with my 50/25 in morning. Says it can get headaches, swelling of feet, rashes. I woke up with a bad headache this morning. Could it be from that or could it be from dropping the T3 down to 50 and taking 90mg Armour? My BP was 220/90, pulse 100. I am never like that before, I was stressed when I went in and after hearing what he had to say. He took it himself after I sat awhile was still way up. I am going to send out letters to places explaining my position and see if that will work to get a doc. Some say don't do that, but I am wasting my time and theirs otherwise. I called the last doc who finally let me go to see if she would refill the cortisol and cytomel, hope she does that would help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Val I have another question for you. My sweats have come back and I am taking sea salt and potassium (have for month now) so what could cause the sweats to get worse? I read on the forum someone said that too mulch HC could cause sweats? Do you suppose I need to come down? I am on 40mg HC and 90mg Armour, 50mcg Cytomel. I take triam/hctz 50/25 and amlodipine 5mg for blood pressure. I am going to check out machine to make sure it is accurate. Doc is afraid its off cause my records show from 135 to 160 systolic and 68-85 diastolic. My pulse stays from 60- 80 during day so far. Will watch to see if this new med makes pulse go down too far, thats why I had to quit atenolol and other beta blockers. Took this med last evening, didn't seem to change anything yet. Atenolol changed immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 n what is your BP liek at home? You have a machine don't you? How about your pulse? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Yes high cortisl can cause sweating. I think youshoudl try lowering it with your HIGH BP anyway. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Should I come down in 2.5 intervals or could I come down 5mg to begin with? > Yes high cortisl can cause sweating. I think youshoudl try lowering it > with your HIGH BP anyway. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Yes I have a mchine and use it all the time. Doc is afraid is off though. But I think it was becauswe of stress. Here are my BP so far for today and pulse. First one is when sat up in bed then standing 160/70 p.63 standing 142/72 p.68 142/67 p.59 standing 132/76 p. 61 127/80 p.56 standing 133/76 p.61 143/70 p.70 standing 150/74 p.74 My average temps is as follows: 98.26 98.23 98.23 98.5(2) 98.33 98.43 98.13 What do you think? > n what is your BP liek at home? You have a machine don't you? How > about your pulse? > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 I woudl try 2.5mg decreases but do them every 4-5 days as long as you have no bad symptoms. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Well that is nt nearly as scary as in the doctor's office! I am a weird one, mine DROPS while there! But anyway it stil might be good to try lowering it a bt try a couple decreases and see if oyu can tolerate a lower dose. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Just to make sure I understand, you do mean lowering HC meds don't you? Also how long when start taking Armour does it build up in the blood to start helping? > Well that is nt nearly as scary as in the doctor's office! I am a weird > one, mine DROPS while there! But anyway it stil might be good to try > lowering it a bt try a couple decreases and see if oyu can tolerate a > lower dose. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Yes I was talking about reducing HC. Armoru you can sometimes feel the T3 right away but it cn take up to 4-6 weeks to fully feel the effects of the T4 in it. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 On Jan 26 I told you that I felt shakyy and nervous, and you said I could have been getting T3 to cells finally, because the last few labs showed the T3 high so we were pretty sure I was not having enough cortisol to get t3 to cells. I cut back on Jan 27 to 50mcg T3 while still taking 90mg Armour. On Jan 30 I cut back my HC to 35mg because of high BP. Today I started getting the shaking inside and feeling nervous again this afternoon. Still feel it a little. Should I cut back another 25mcg now instead of waiting another week as you had suggested, it does feel like I may be hyper and my pulse went up to 84, 86, 90, 93, & 95 from 3pm on today. They have been in the 60's & 70's most of the time. My BP was up some also even tho on 2 BP meds. I still have some aching around my eyes, but not too bad. The new BP med says a side effect is headaches, so not really sure if that or the adrenal/thyroid issues. > Yes it could be some of that T3 is finalyl gettign there and working. I > prefer to see sodium between 142-144 and potassium around 4.2 > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Yes it sounds liek you need to lwoer the t3 further. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Okay I will drop one more 25mcg today. Is it possible to go hyper only now and then during the day? Cause I still have bad hypo symptoms of my joints in my hands are sore, my low part of my back is sore and stiff hurts alot just like it use to before I started Armour in 2002. It all came back the last few lmonths, but my back got bad a lilttle over a week ago. > Yes it sounds liek you need to lwoer the t3 further. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 You are still haivng mixed symptoms. Thesre could be cortisll issues just as much as thyroid. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 Dont want to sound dumb but what are the mixed symptoms?? Also won't cutting down T3 make it easier on the adrenals? I have noticed that my standing BP doesn't stay up all the time yet, my thought is that maybe I still may not be drinking enough water, cause I urinate alot during the day and its not just a dribble, even get up in night. > You are still haivng mixed symptoms. Thesre could be cortisll issues > just as much as thyroid. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2009 Report Share Posted February 3, 2009 " Cause I still have bad hypo symptoms of my joints in my hands are sore, my low part of my back is sore and stiff hurts alot just like it use to before I started Armour in 2002. It all came back the last few lmonths, but my back got bad a lilttle over a week ago. " These can be hypothyroid or lwo cortil EITHER thus mixed symptoms. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Val I lowered HC to 35mg on Jan 30 because of high bp. Well this evening when I got home from my son's I felt shaky inside, especially my hands and arms and feel quite nervous. I took my BP as soon as I got home, without waiting for 5 minutes, it was 193/84 p. 94; I have never recorded that at home before, this morning my BP was in the 130- 149 over 70-78 and highest pulse was 79. I took my BP again about 8 minultes later and it was sitting 170/93 p. 81 and standing it was 173/90 p. 91. Should I cut the HC some more. Today I had taken 30mg HC so far and 90mg Armour, 25mcg T3. I see a new doc tomorrow that I found on the DiagnosTech website that is about 35 miles away. I emailed her and she answsered back and said she felt comfortable treating me; I told her my situation and the meds I take. I see her tomorrow, only had to wait one day, GREAT NEWS. Pray for me that it goes well; hopefully IL will get my meds filled. > Yes I was talking about reducing HC. Armoru you can sometimes feel the > T3 right away but it cn take up to 4-6 weeks to fully feel the effects > of the T4 in it. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 >>when I got home from my son's I felt shaky inside, especially my hands and arms and feel quite nervous. I took my BP as soon as I got home, without waiting for 5 minutes, it was 193/84 p. 94<< Any possibility you wer hypoglycemic? Low glucose feels liek the same thing as low cortisol because they both cause adnrealine to surge. Adrneline can raise BP and PULSE very high veyr quickly. if you wer not hyoglycemic thne I would hold th HC dose for a while to make certain this dose is nto too low before lowering further. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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