Re: Does anyone take Human Growth Hormone?

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January 20, 2009

Cat that si great news! I am so glad you have finally found the things

that are working for you! Is it my turn yet? LOL.. I am going on two

weeks wiht the IGF-1 an stil no cigar in ho wI am feeling and I am

fearing this is not going to be the answer for me ether. Supposed to get

quicker results from this than GH and I just do nto think it is helpuig

alot more than just glucose and that si really strangely undependable.

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January 20, 2009

Thanks so much Val!!

Haven't wanted to say too much but rather be cautiously optimistic,

but so far so excellent!! :-D

I'm so sorry you haven't found that elusive cuban cigar yet... it must

come soon mustn't it? I'm sure however, that without plenty HC and

plenty tertroxine the HGH wouldn't help me at all, just too much other

stuff going on.. I'm still high bad oestrogen though..

Did you have the disordered sweating thing Val? I've heard a few

stories of people like me with wet bits of the head all the time and

dry armpits, this was my only conclusive GH symptom vs all the others

that cross over between thyroid adrenal and sex hormone issues. The

heat intolerance can often be put down to low aldosterone but in my

case my aldosterone was suboptimal, but not dreadful, with high renin,

so 1 tab florinef a day is fine for me so far, not noticed further

aldosterone suppression requiring more florinef yet. I wonder if there

are any differences in the subsets of symptoms for low IGF-1 vs low

HGH, but don't like your chances of finding much research from it

being so rare... had to be different didn't ya? ;-)

I wonder if there is anything we can pull out of your responses to GH

and IGF-1, all coming down to your glucose metabolism in the end isn't

it? I have a hormone doc who despite tests insists I'm insulin

intolerant and I have tried and tried metformin lately but it just

makes me sick, once I get past the diarrhoea and headaches which can

last for weeks even on half a tab a day, as soon as I stop taking it

my energy picks right up and I feel lighter and more free, if that

makes sense, clearer head etc. I have had metformin previously for

PCOS and used to suck on a teaspoon of honey when had low sugar

symptoms, but not the same this time, not sure why. My gut says your

diabetes / IGF-1 / HGH will have a common denominator making them hard

to balance, but what is it?

I do wish it was easier for you and we could find your answer now, no,

yesterday!!!! :-)

Hang in there, I'm sure it will be revealed and meanwhile, you are

doing so much for all of us every single day!!!!! xoxoxoxoxoxxoxooxox

Cat :-)

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> Cat that si great news! I am so glad you have finally found the things

> that are working for you! Is it my turn yet? LOL.. I am going on two

> weeks wiht the IGF-1 an stil no cigar in ho wI am feeling and I am

> fearing this is not going to be the answer for me ether. Supposed to

get

> quicker results from this than GH and I just do nto think it is helpuig

> alot more than just glucose and that si really strangely undependable.

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January 20, 2009

Well the symptoms I have had that have been consistent through all is

heat intolerance with FAACE sweating being the worst. My aldosterone was

ot real low but not optimal. BTW GH raises aldosterone I found in my

studies! But the GH caused not only WAY bad hyperglycemia but fluid

retention that was hrrid. IGF-1 is NOT supposed to cause these things

and in fact has hypoglyce,mia as a side effect which I have bene loving

the reductionin insuin. However I got on the scale this AM and was

shocked as I had gained 10 pounds ina bout a week. has t be fluid

retention again. THIS is disheartening as i have to then taqke diuretics

which raise insulin resistance and again I get the low sodium symoptms.

Viscious circle. i cannto ignore the fluid after having CHF as it does

tend to settl ein my chest and thne I get real sick. PIA!!! I am so sick

of this juggle and try this and try that and get mroe broke & broken

every year. The muscle probalems along with muscle spasms which have

restarted are threatenign to take me out of my work. Then I do nto knwo

what I will do as I knwo no other way to ear n a livig aside from

grooming pets. And have no money for schooling to learn a new sit down

trade. It is very frustrating while buying these expensive meds to try

to heal enough to work to afford them! LOL

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January 21, 2009

Hi,

Sorry, I did not expand on it earlier.

The thing is< I don't know what has helped me most, the testosterone,

T3, HGH, Miatake mushroom D fraction, and SF fraction.

As for the HGH, I take injections every morning 15 (whatever) on the

insulin needle. I have more energy, better muscle tone, less body

fat, look 10 years younger, (I will be 52 in March) I could not

exersise at all, before starting the treatment, no energy. Now, I

have seemingly endless energy when hiking or working. A lot of it was

bringing my testosterone levels up from 225, to 600. But i think the

HGH is kind of a building block in holdong the health together.

I ma not out of the woods yet, but I feel a 1000% better. I still

tend to crash, like tonight, where I slept for 3 hours this evening,

and couldn't get up, if I wanted too! AN the HGH is raising my blood

sugar, I am borderline diabetic right now. My mother is too.

That is interesting, that you got the HGH so cheap, Val. At the

regular phamacy? How long ago was that price? No wonder my doctor

smiles at me when I go it to see him, he is thinking here comes that

sucker, he is going to help me by my new Porshe!

Sorry to hear that you are still having to find a way out of this

madness! It is frustrating.

Take care,

Jon

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> > I was on it for 5 months. Mine cost me $190 a vial which lasted

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> > month. It did not work well for me as I am IGF-1 fdeficient but

> > apparently not GH deficient. It raised my glucose VERY muhc

scausig

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> > to need to double my insulin and also caused fluid retention. My

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> > felt alot nicer on it and I did have some SLIGHT improvementsw

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> > tothing to validate the cost nd negatives i got from it,

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January 21, 2009

Face sweating fits the low GH symptoms bill in my books, it's the one

thing that's consistent with low GH people and isn't listed for

anything else - interesting that your gh was ok and IGF-1 low, so that

may indeed be an IGF-1 response. Head sweating is a PIA because you

can never be " fresh " , I have to shower before all my appts as it's so

hot here, always have a dripping head, and I mean, it drips down my

face, soaks 6 " hair and runs down my neck and chest, just on the right

side, a great look - NOT! :-) But it still doesn't cool me... my temp

is still in the 36C's most of the time in an AC'd room, but when I am

hot, I radiate heat, partner can feel the radiant heat from 12 " away

from my body, hence I don't trust thermometer readings from my body on

hot days, which is most of them here, making it hard to chart temps

except in winter.

Val I don't know what to say - I know that I was surprised to find

contrary to the experience of most people that my muscle spasms and

cramps were from low sodium, and that magnesium was actually

exacerbating the problem rather than solving it for me, not sure why,

but I remember when many years ago, a well meaning soul told me that

mega doses of mag could help with fibromyalgia, and that made me feel

terrible too, but I don't remember spasm and cramp at the time, just

feeling " bad " .

I totally get the juggling and the financial aspect, I have been so

lucky to get a govt authority for tertroxin, so only pay 5AUD$ per

script as I am on low income, and am using some saved money for GH for

now, which will quickly run out, but am hoping the insurance re; head

injury which caused it will eventually pick up the tab, have two docs

writing letters on that issue atm, three years later.

You could move to Oz and get tertroxin on auth script! - but HGH same

price as I mentioned before, can get it cheaper shopping around,

omnitrope one of the cheapest. And who knows if anyone could supply

you with IGF-1 here, I'm only dreaming coz I know you wouldn't leave

your babies or put them in quarantine for 6 MONTHS!! we'd love to

have ya and it's cooler in some bits of the country than where I live

:-)if ya ever want to!

I wish I knew more about these things so I could help you out, but you

are the pioneer and we the students! All I can offer is observation

and reflecting back what I see, which isn't helping yet is it? rats!!!

How does the body use IGF-1? what is it's action? what else can it

require that may be missing? hmmm not sure what else to ask here!! :-)

I totally get the working to pay for meds so you can work to pay for

meds circle, total PIA!!!! I think we need to find you a benevolent

and rich med sponsor ;-) have you applied for all the med support

schemes in USA? I know you can get Armour supplied for a few months

but don't know about other meds.. will have to hunt those down if you

haven't..

xxx

Cat

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> Well the symptoms I have had that have been consistent through all is

> heat intolerance with FAACE sweating being the worst. My aldosterone

was

> ot real low but not optimal. BTW GH raises aldosterone I found in my

> studies! But the GH caused not only WAY bad hyperglycemia but fluid

> retention that was hrrid. IGF-1 is NOT supposed to cause these things

> and in fact has hypoglyce,mia as a side effect which I have bene loving

> the reductionin insuin. However I got on the scale this AM and was

> shocked as I had gained 10 pounds ina bout a week. has t be fluid

> retention again. THIS is disheartening as i have to then taqke

diuretics

> which raise insulin resistance and again I get the low sodium symoptms.

> Viscious circle. i cannto ignore the fluid after having CHF as it does

> tend to settl ein my chest and thne I get real sick. PIA!!! I am so

sick

> of this juggle and try this and try that and get mroe broke & broken

> every year. The muscle probalems along with muscle spasms which have

> restarted are threatenign to take me out of my work. Then I do nto knwo

> what I will do as I knwo no other way to ear n a livig aside from

> grooming pets. And have no money for schooling to learn a new sit down

> trade. It is very frustrating while buying these expensive meds to try

> to heal enough to work to afford them! LOL

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January 21, 2009

Thanks Cat but al th " help " here is not for someone that owns their own

business,. I am reluctantly thinking of giving up my business just so I

am eligible for some kind of medical aide. I guess small business owners

are supposed to be rolling in money.

I would love to move, BUT you are right, my babies would not do 6

months quarantine and sevreal are on daily meds that they MUST have too.

I woudl certainly not trust quarantine to handle that properly an i

would NOT be willing to vaccinate my pets for the requirements of

traveling abroad either. I firmly believe ALL my oet's health issues

are vaccine damage anyway.. three of them I KNWO it was.

Oh well, here;s hopign that by the time I can nolonger work something

comes along to heop subsidize my medical needs and income.

My IGF-1 Sources are illegal. I am buuying from research places as I

cnanot afford the $800 a vial price of the only IGF-1 that is aproved in

this country. Tere may lie the problem as I fear the product I am

getting may not be consistent nor even the real thing. but labs downthe

road should tell me if this is true.

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January 21, 2009

Jon this was in the last year in fact the last I bought was about 3-4

months ago so it is a valid price.

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January 21, 2009

Val,

Have you tried magnesium for your muscle issues?

Kim

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> Well the symptoms I have had that have been consistent through all

is

> heat intolerance with FAACE sweating being the worst. My

aldosterone was

> ot real low but not optimal. BTW GH raises aldosterone I found in

my

> studies! But the GH caused not only WAY bad hyperglycemia but

fluid

> retention that was hrrid. IGF-1 is NOT supposed to cause these

things

> and in fact has hypoglyce,mia as a side effect which I have bene

loving

> the reductionin insuin. However I got on the scale this AM and was

> shocked as I had gained 10 pounds ina bout a week. has t be fluid

> retention again. THIS is disheartening as i have to then taqke

diuretics

> which raise insulin resistance and again I get the low sodium

symoptms.

> Viscious circle. i cannto ignore the fluid after having CHF as it

does

> tend to settl ein my chest and thne I get real sick. PIA!!! I am

so sick

> of this juggle and try this and try that and get mroe broke &

broken

> every year. The muscle probalems along with muscle spasms which

have

> restarted are threatenign to take me out of my work. Then I do nto

knwo

> what I will do as I knwo no other way to ear n a livig aside from

> grooming pets. And have no money for schooling to learn a new sit

down

> trade. It is very frustrating while buying these expensive meds to

try

> to heal enough to work to afford them! LOL

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January 21, 2009

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> Jon this was in the last year in fact the last I bought was about 3-4

> months ago so it is a valid price.

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Hi,

my vials are 5.8 MG, the vials at CVS are 5 MG so that may be why they

are cheaper. If I continue taking the stuff, I will have to further

prove tha tit is needed for my condition, like pituatary tumor. I will

have to shop price on it! Money is getting tight... So far Canada has

the best price that I can find. Getting my doctor to agree to make a

prescription is another hurdle.

Jon

January 21, 2009

ARRGGGHH!!

I totally get the small business owner cut off too, there are several

requirements here like that, one is if you're employed at all, you are

not eligible for anything even if you make less than social security

on which you are entitled to all benefits... instead of actual

income... who thought of that??? :-/

I hope your sources come good for IGF-1 and in the circumstances, it

probably wouldn't be available here at all either... :-(

Good luck with the labs and we'll keep thinking and working on the

answers!!!! :-)

Cat

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> Thanks Cat but al th " help " here is not for someone that owns their own

> business,. I am reluctantly thinking of giving up my business just so I

> am eligible for some kind of medical aide. I guess small business

owners

> are supposed to be rolling in money.

> I would love to move, BUT you are right, my babies would not do 6

> months quarantine and sevreal are on daily meds that they MUST have

too.

> I woudl certainly not trust quarantine to handle that properly an i

> would NOT be willing to vaccinate my pets for the requirements of

> traveling abroad either. I firmly believe ALL my oet's health issues

> are vaccine damage anyway.. three of them I KNWO it was.

> Oh well, here;s hopign that by the time I can nolonger work something

> comes along to heop subsidize my medical needs and income.

> My IGF-1 Sources are illegal. I am buuying from research places as I

> cnanot afford the $800 a vial price of the only IGF-1 that is

aproved in

> this country. Tere may lie the problem as I fear the product I am

> getting may not be consistent nor even the real thing. but labs downthe

> road should tell me if this is true.

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January 22, 2009

I will have to look into a discount, that may give me a chance to

continue the stuff.

I was just informed today that my medical funding will have to be

reviewed, due to cost cutbacks. I have been a monk for 22 years, and

all my medical has been paid for in cash. $12k a year is starting to

give them second thoughts. I told my doctor, he said " well, have the

complimented you on your increased productivity? " (I don't get many

cmpliments) I guess they can always find a doctor to say I am fine, and

then I will be back to chronic fatigue, and all the other fun stuff...

The person reviewing it, was a doctor 30 years ago, hasn't practiced

since. I was thinking of getting him the " Stop the Thyroid Madness book

to read, as I just recieved a copy. I think they will mainly want to

stop paying for the HGH, I can't see them forcing me to stop the T3 and

testosterone replacement, but who knows? Got to cut back there budgets,

who cares if I can't get out of bed?

I think it would be a real test to go back to being ill all the time

again, now that I know what it feels like, to have energy again!

I will find out how well the HGH helped, when I get cut off. I wonder

how that will effect me, after taking HGH injections for almost 2 years?

Take care,

Jon

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> Mine was 5.8 mg vials. I did use a company called MEDCO for reduced

> pricing. You can sign u pfor their prescription discount plan for $25

> for a year and thye have reduced prices for many prescriptions and

you

> can use those reduciton right at your local pharmacy. Or you can use

> their mail order service which I was not impressed with as they were

> asking my doctor to jump through hoops over the Omnitrope.

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