Re: Re: oprah-Jen's notes from Dr. Lowes consult

January 8, 2009

Hey There,

Learned so much. Here is all my notes- so much to share. We are going to get to the bottom of this! Let me know what you think

Notes

May need to change HC dose and increase (I currently have 7 symptoms of low cortisol/adrenal problems.)

Suggests taking a large enough does of HC (like 30-40) for a period of 2-3 months to allow the adrenals to heal so that I can back off of it completely.

-30 or 40 HC is not enough to stop the adrenals from working, yet would be enough to allow for them to heal and begin working on their own

-Cortisol turns into Cortisone, and I have a Cortisone deficiency

It is good that I am on HC and not Isocourt since I had my gallbladder out, HC is better for this.

Aldosterone:

-Aldesterone test results can go up if you stand up.

-There is a connection with rennin which turns into aldesterone = balance of salt and water. I could currently have an issue with this, but the rennin could be affected by not enough Cortisol.

HIGH PULSE

75-100 mcg of Cytomel is a normal dose.

Due to my T3 being too low, it could be interacting with another system (i.e. Sympathetic Nervous System) and causing the high pulse

Another issue could be periods of Hypoglycemia which cause a dip in blood sugar leading to a jump in pulse that looks like a high pulse at all times (Blood Sugar Regulation issues can cause rapid pulse rates.)

Regarding your Sympathetic Nervous Symptom, when your blood sugar dips down you can then release more adrenaline.

Suggestions based on symptoms w/o testing:

Rehab Cortisol- due to symptoms persisting I have sub-optimal cortisol levels

Might only need to go up to 30-40 of HC, wants to do test first and then with doctors permission increase to 30 HC --> once this is done [at optimal dose] I stay on for 2-3 months and then wean off entirely once healed.

Will use systematic monitoring:

Basel Body temp- under armpit in the morning prior to getting out of bed

BP and Pulse taken at same time of Temp

Weight

Symptom's intensity

Will need to increase Cytomel. (Normal dose 75-100, not based on body type or weight.) Lack of enough thyroid will cause high pulse. Need to eliminate all symptoms.

Hives- caused by too many mast cells=allergy. Normally goes away when on right dose of thyroid.

Anemia-Caused by Hypothyroidism and meds can regulate this. Oxygen used by cells is usually low & when you take enough T3, bone marrow produces red blood cells and you need less iron!

Migraine/Headaches- caused by low progesterone often. The DHEA can be increasing progesterone in me causing headaches to go away.

Landscape for next couple of weeks:

Increase HC to 30mg ---> Stabilize Blood Sugar ---> Pulse should lower in a few days (if HC dose is correct)

In 1 to 2 weeks see how this works and then begin increasing Cytomel. (You will typically do 3 assessments per week and you can tell if you should be more modest or aggressive in increasing Cytomel.

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 6:01:12 PMSubject: Re: oprah

Jen, what did you learn from Lowe? How about the high HR, what did he say? So happy to read that you consulted with him. He's eloquent, kind, intelligent and knowledgeable. Such a good move you made here.

AG

-As of this morning, I am greatful for Dr. Lowe, who shared more info in 2 hrs on the phone w/me, than any doc in 30 yrs of life...I highly recomend him if you are still struggling. He was brilliant today.

January 9, 2009

No problem. He did not make a suggestion for the cytomel, but i told him i dosed 4 times per day. I will ask and let you know what i find out over time.Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:45 PMTo: RT3_T3 Subject: Re: oprah-Jen's notes from Dr. Lowes consultThank you for sharing this info. How did he recommend dosing cytomel? > > Hey There, > > Learned so much. Here is all my notes- so much to share. We are going to get to the bottom of this! Let me know what you think > > > Notes > 1. May need to change HC dose and increase (I currently have 7 symptoms of low cortisol/adrenal problems.) > 2. Suggests taking a large enough does of HC (like 30-40) for a period of 2-3 months to allow the adrenals to heal so that I can back off of it completely. > -30 or 40 HC is not enough to stop the adrenals from working, yet would be enough to allow for them to heal and begin working on their own > -Cortisol turns into Cortisone, and I have a Cortisone deficiency > 3. It is good that I am on HC and not Isocourt since I had my gallbladder out, HC is better for this. > > Aldosterone: > -Aldesterone test results can go up if you stand up. > -There is a connection with rennin which turns into aldesterone = balance of salt and water. I could currently have an issue with this, but the rennin could be affected by not enough Cortisol. > > HIGH PULSE > 4. 75-100 mcg of Cytomel is a normal dose. > 5. Due to my T3 being too low, it could be interacting with another system (i.e. Sympat[The entire original message is not included]

January 9, 2009

Thank youSubject: RE: Re: oprah-Jen's notes from Dr. Lowes consultTo: RT3_T3 Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 2:11 PM

No problem. He did not make a suggestion for the cytomel, but i told him i dosed 4 times per day. I will ask and let you know what i find out over time.From: low_carb_crystal <low_carb_crystal@ yahoo.com>Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 10:45 PMTo: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comSubject: Re: oprah-Jen's notes from Dr. Lowes consultThank you for sharing this info. How did he recommend dosing cytomel? > > Hey There, > > Learned so much. Here is all my notes- so much to share. We are going to get to the bottom of this! Let me know what you think > > > Notes > 1. May need to change HC dose and increase (I currently have 7 symptoms of low cortisol/adrenal problems.) > 2. Suggests taking a large enough does of HC (like 30-40) for a period of 2-3 months to allow the adrenals to heal so that I can back off of it completely. > -30 or 40

HC is not enough to stop the adrenals from working, yet would be enough to allow for them to heal and begin working on their own > -Cortisol turns into Cortisone, and I have a Cortisone deficiency > 3. It is good that I am on HC and not Isocourt since I had my gallbladder out, HC is better for this. > > Aldosterone: > -Aldesterone test results can go up if you stand up. > -There is a connection with rennin which turns into aldesterone = balance of salt and water. I could currently have an issue with this, but the rennin could be affected by not enough Cortisol. > > HIGH PULSE > 4. 75-100 mcg of Cytomel is a normal dose. > 5. Due to my T3 being too low, it could be interacting with another system (i.e. Sympat[The entire original message is not included]

January 10, 2009

Thanks for asking this..I want to know also. My low cortisol seems to be worse with the t3..normal Im sure. Want to be sure of symptoms

Subject: Re: oprah-Jen's notes from Dr. Lowes consultTo: RT3_T3 Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 1:59 PM

Thanks for the overview of your Lowe consult Jen. Looks like you got a direction to follow here. What were your low cortisol sx that you mention? Looking forward to hearing how well you are doing with your changes. Lowe talked to me about hypoglycemia too. I started to take my bs to see what I could discover. Also doing the severity sx scale he advocates.

AG

Hey There,Learned so much. Here is all my notes- so much to share. We are going to get to the bottom of this! Let me know what you think Notes1. May need to change HC dose and increase (I currently have 7 symptoms of low cortisol/adrenal problems.)2. Suggests taking a large enough does of HC (like 30-40) for a period of 2-3 months to allow the adrenals to heal so that I can back off of it completely.-30 or 40 HC is not enough to stop the adrenals from working, yet would be enough to allow for them to heal and begin working on their own-Cortisol turns into Cortisone, and

I have a Cortisone deficiency3. It is good that I am on HC and not Isocourt since I had my gallbladder out, HC is better for this. Aldosterone:-Aldesterone test results can go up if you stand up. -There is a connection with rennin which turns into aldesterone = balance of salt and water. I could currently have an issue with this, but the rennin could be affected by not enough Cortisol. HIGH PULSE4. 75-100 mcg of Cytomel is a normal dose.5. Due to my T3 being too low, it could be interacting with another system (i.e. Sympathetic Nervous System) and causing the high pulse6. Another issue could be periods of Hypoglycemia which

cause a dip in blood sugar leading to a jump in pulse that looks like a high pulse at all times (Blood Sugar Regulation issues can cause rapid pulse rates.)7. Regarding your Sympathetic Nervous Symptom, when your blood sugar dips down you can then release more adrenaline. Suggestions based on symptoms w/o testing:8. Rehab Cortisol- due to symptoms persisting I have sub-optimal cortisol levels9. Might only need to go up to 30-40 of HC, wants to do test first and then with doctors permission increase to 30 HC --> once this is done [at optimal dose] I stay on for 2-3 months and then wean off entirely once healed.10. Will use systematic monitoring:* Basel Body temp- under armpit in the morning prior to getting out of bed* BP and Pulse taken at same time of Temp* Weight* Symptom's intensity11. Will need to increase Cytomel. (Normal dose 75-100, not based on body type or weight.) Lack of enough thyroid will cause high pulse. Need to eliminate all symptoms.12. Hives- caused by too many mast cells=allergy. Normally goes away when on right dose of thyroid.13. Anemia-Caused by Hypothyroidism and meds can regulate this. Oxygen used by cells is usually low & when you take enough T3, bone marrow produces red blood cells and you need less iron!14. Migraine/Headaches- caused by low progesterone often. The DHEA can be increasing progesterone in me causing headaches to go away. 15. Landscape for next couple of weeks:16. Increase HC to 30mg ---> Stabilize Blood Sugar ---> Pulse should lower in a few days (if HC dose is correct)17. In 1 to 2 weeks see how this works and then begin increasing Cytomel. (You will typically do 3 assessments per week and you can tell if you should be more modest or aggressive in increasing Cytomel.

January 10, 2009

Leisa-Do you have increased anxiety, nervousness, tremor/shakey, adrenaline type feelings since adding t3? When I'm having low cortisol, my fingers type too fast and I can't spell. I also have this need to clean, but only then. LOL

From: Atlanta Girl <growinghair@ bellsouth. net>Subject: Re: oprah-Jen's notes from Dr. Lowes consultTo: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) comDate: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 1:59 PM

Thanks for the overview of your Lowe consult Jen. Looks like you got a direction to follow here. What were your low cortisol sx that you mention? Looking forward to hearing how well you are doing with your changes. Lowe talked to me about hypoglycemia too. I started to take my bs to see what I could discover. Also doing the severity sx scale he advocates.

AG

Hey There,Learned so much. Here is all my notes- so much to share. We are going to get to the bottom of this! Let me know what you think Notes1. May need to change HC dose and increase (I currently have 7 symptoms of low cortisol/adrenal problems.)2. Suggests taking a large enough does of HC (like 30-40) for a period of 2-3 months to allow the adrenals to heal so that I can back off of it completely.-30 or 40 HC is not enough to stop the adrenals from working, yet would be enough to allow for them to heal and begin working on their own-Cortisol turns into Cortisone, and

I have a Cortisone deficiency3. It is good that I am on HC and not Isocourt since I had my gallbladder out, HC is better for this. Aldosterone:-Aldesterone test results can go up if you stand up. -There is a connection with rennin which turns into aldesterone = balance of salt and water. I could currently have an issue with this, but the rennin could be affected by not enough Cortisol. HIGH PULSE4. 75-100 mcg of Cytomel is a normal dose.5. Due to my T3 being too low, it could be interacting with another system (i.e. Sympathetic Nervous System) and causing the high pulse6. Another issue could be periods of Hypoglycemia which

cause a dip in blood sugar leading to a jump in pulse that looks like a high pulse at all times (Blood Sugar Regulation issues can cause rapid pulse rates.)7. Regarding your Sympathetic Nervous Symptom, when your blood sugar dips down you can then release more adrenaline. Suggestions based on symptoms w/o testing:8. Rehab Cortisol- due to symptoms persisting I have sub-optimal cortisol levels9. Might only need to go up to 30-40 of HC, wants to do test first and then with doctors permission increase to 30 HC --> once this is done [at optimal dose] I stay on for 2-3 months and then wean off entirely once healed.10. Will use systematic monitoring:* Basel Body temp- under armpit in the morning prior to getting out of bed* BP and Pulse taken at same time of Temp* Weight* Symptom's intensity11. Will need to increase Cytomel. (Normal dose 75-100, not based on body type or weight.) Lack of enough thyroid

will cause high pulse. Need to eliminate all symptoms.12. Hives- caused by too many mast cells=allergy. Normally goes away when on right dose of thyroid.13. Anemia-Caused by Hypothyroidism and meds can regulate this. Oxygen used by cells is usually low & when you take enough T3, bone marrow produces red blood cells and you need less iron!14. Migraine/Headaches- caused by low progesterone often. The DHEA can be increasing progesterone in me causing headaches to go away. 15. Landscape for next couple of weeks:16. Increase HC to 30mg ---> Stabilize Blood Sugar ---> Pulse should lower in a few days (if HC dose is correct)17. In 1 to 2 weeks see how this works and then begin increasing Cytomel. (You will typically do 3 assessments per week and you can tell if you should be more modest or aggressive in increasing

Cytomel.

January 10, 2009

She's out of her mind. 4 isocort.....they tired that with me and here I am 13 years later. Yes, they take every opportunity to make your symptoms fit their agenda. Sick.

More shakeyness, for sure and typing very fast! But you see, Im afraid to tell my doctor this. I have to be very careful..as she feels shaky and etc are because Its too much t3. so, in stead of hc, she will say less t3...then she will also use these symptoms as a good reason why I should not have hc. she kept me a t 4 isocort a day. I was dying..I have taken myself up. when I told her I wake at night she said less isocort. WHEN i told her that I took an isocort in the middle of the night and I could sleep..she said that was extrememly wierd and she had never heard of it. she is very modern young and forward....but she has refused the hc.

From: Atlanta Girl <growinghair@ bellsouth. net>Subject: Re: oprah-Jen's notes from Dr. Lowes consultTo: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 1:59 PM

Thanks for the overview of your Lowe consult Jen. Looks like you got a direction to follow here. What were your low cortisol sx that you mention? Looking forward to hearing how well you are doing with your changes. Lowe talked to me about hypoglycemia too. I started to take my bs to see what I could discover. Also doing the severity sx scale he advocates.

AG

Hey There,Learned so much. Here is all my notes- so much to share. We are going to get to the bottom of this! Let me know what you think Notes

1. May need to change HC dose and increase (I currently have 7 symptoms of low cortisol/adrenal problems.)2. Suggests taking a large enough does of HC (like 30-40) for a period of 2-3 months to allow the adrenals to heal so that I can back off of it completely.

-30 or 40 HC is not enough to stop the adrenals from working, yet would be enough to allow for them to heal and begin working on their own-Cortisol turns into Cortisone, and I have a Cortisone deficiency3. It is good that I am on HC and not Isocourt since I had my gallbladder out, HC is better for this.

Aldosterone:-Aldesterone test results can go up if you stand up. -There is a connection with rennin which

turns into aldesterone = balance of salt and water. I could currently have an issue with this, but the rennin could be affected by not enough Cortisol. HIGH PULSE4. 75-100 mcg of Cytomel is a normal dose.

5. Due to my T3 being too low, it could be interacting with another system (i.e. Sympathetic Nervous System) and causing the high pulse6. Another issue could be periods of Hypoglycemia which cause a dip in blood sugar leading to a jump in pulse that looks like a high pulse at all times (Blood Sugar Regulation issues can cause rapid pulse rates.)

7. Regarding your Sympathetic Nervous Symptom, when your blood sugar dips down you can then release more adrenaline. Suggestions based on symptoms w/o testing:8. Rehab Cortisol- due to symptoms persisting I have sub-optimal cortisol levels

9. Might only need to go up to 30-40 of HC, wants to do test first and then with doctors permission increase to 30 HC

--> once this is done [at optimal dose] I stay on for 2-3 months and then wean off entirely once healed.10. Will use systematic monitoring:* Basel Body temp- under armpit in the morning prior to getting out of bed

* BP and Pulse taken at same time of Temp* Weight* Symptom's intensity11. Will need to increase Cytomel. (Normal dose 75-100, not based on body type or weight.) Lack of enough thyroid will cause high pulse. Need to eliminate all symptoms.

12. Hives- caused by too many mast cells=allergy. Normally goes away when on right dose of thyroid.13. Anemia-Caused by Hypothyroidism and meds can regulate this. Oxygen used by cells is usually low & when you take enough T3, bone marrow produces red blood cells and you need less iron!

14. Migraine/Headaches- caused by low progesterone often. The DHEA can be increasing progesterone in me causing headaches to go

away. 15. Landscape for next couple of weeks:16. Increase HC to 30mg ---> Stabilize Blood Sugar ---> Pulse should lower in a few days (if HC dose is correct)17. In 1 to 2 weeks see how this works and then begin increasing Cytomel. (You will typically do 3 assessments per week and you can tell if you should be more modest or aggressive in increasing Cytomel.

January 10, 2009

I know the feeling of hiding things. We all have to lie through our teeth. I have a doctor who insists that I'm hyper because my pulse is so high in his office (100 the last time-which for me is exceptional in a doctors office). I have explained to him over and over that this is what happens to me at the doctor, dentist etc. He disagrees and just keeps going with the same speech. He is not listening. That most have been one of their first classes - how to not listen to your patient 101. I'm sure they all got an A. Next time I'm going to tell him he will not hold me hostage to my pulse. This is the exact reason I have the high pulse....because of idiot like this.

Remember you can always get cream so you are not out of it HC wise. Thank goodness we have that to fall back on.

I really am struggling so hard with the fact that my health has taken a downward spiral for 2 yrs even though I have been meticulas in explain each symptom. I made very organized lists..and researched and went from dr to dr. Knowing what I know now..Im finding very hard to understand why they didnt offer me the solutions...Instead Ive been offered aswaganda, licorice.. I mean I found progesterone by self..and I found isocort all by myself.and I found out about rt3 and requested the test. Im very hurt and angry..but I absolutely MUST hide it, as I need to get the proper dose of t3 and if possible hc.

From: Atlanta Girl <growinghair@ bellsouth. net>Subject: Re: oprah-Jen's notes from Dr. Lowes consultTo: RT3_T3yahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 1:59 PM

Thanks for the overview of your Lowe consult Jen. Looks like you got a direction to follow here. What were your low cortisol sx that you mention? Looking forward to hearing how well you are doing with your changes. Lowe talked to me about hypoglycemia too. I started to take my bs to see what I could discover. Also doing the severity sx scale he advocates.

AG

Hey There,Learned so much. Here is all my notes- so much to share. We are going to get to the bottom of this! Let me know what you think Notes

1. May need to change HC dose and increase (I currently have 7 symptoms of low cortisol/adrenal problems.)2. Suggests taking a large enough does of HC (like 30-40) for a period of 2-3 months to allow the adrenals to heal so that I can back off of it completely.

-30 or 40 HC is not enough to stop the adrenals from working, yet would be enough to allow for them to heal and begin working on their own-Cortisol turns into Cortisone, and I have a Cortisone deficiency3. It is good that I am on HC and not Isocourt since I had my gallbladder out, HC is better for this.

Aldosterone:-Aldesterone test results can go up if you stand up. -There is a connection with rennin which turns into aldesterone

= balance of salt and water. I could currently have an issue with this, but the rennin could be affected by not enough Cortisol. HIGH PULSE4. 75-100 mcg of Cytomel is a normal dose.5. Due to my T3 being too low, it could be interacting with another system (i.e. Sympathetic Nervous System) and causing the high pulse

6. Another issue could be periods of Hypoglycemia which cause a dip in blood sugar leading to a jump in pulse that looks like a high pulse at all times (Blood Sugar Regulation issues can cause rapid pulse rates.)7. Regarding your Sympathetic Nervous Symptom, when your blood sugar dips down you can then release more adrenaline.

Suggestions based on symptoms w/o testing:8. Rehab Cortisol- due to symptoms persisting I have sub-optimal cortisol levels9. Might only need to go up to 30-40 of HC, wants to do test first and then with doctors permission increase to 30 HC --> once this is done

[at optimal dose] I stay on for 2-3 months and then wean off entirely once healed.10. Will use systematic monitoring:* Basel Body temp- under armpit in the morning prior to getting out of bed* BP and Pulse taken at same time of Temp

* Weight* Symptom's intensity11. Will need to increase Cytomel. (Normal dose 75-100, not based on body type or weight.) Lack of enough thyroid will cause high pulse. Need to eliminate all symptoms.12. Hives- caused by too many mast cells=allergy. Normally goes away when on right dose of thyroid.

13. Anemia-Caused by Hypothyroidism and meds can regulate this. Oxygen used by cells is usually low & when you take enough T3, bone marrow produces red blood cells and you need less iron!14. Migraine/Headaches- caused by low progesterone often. The DHEA can be increasing progesterone in me causing headaches to go away.

15. Landscape for next

couple of weeks:16. Increase HC to 30mg ---> Stabilize Blood Sugar ---> Pulse should lower in a few days (if HC dose is correct)17. In 1 to 2 weeks see how this works and then begin increasing Cytomel. (You will typically do 3 assessments per week and you can tell if you should be more modest or aggressive in increasing Cytomel.

January 10, 2009

Also wanted to mention that I'm working two doctors at the same time and neither knows that. Talk about lying and keeping to many balls in the air. That's stressful in itself.