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I will check this site out. It's quite extensive, and all new to me. Are you

sure the milk people aren't behind this? I'd heard only good things about

especially organic soy products and that miso diet was one of the reasons that

the Buddist monks survived the radiation of the A bomb when all their neighbors

did not. Anyone else in defense of soy? BTW I'm doing my first gallstone flush

tonight, will let you all know how it goes.

There are lots of reasons not to eat soybean products. Until soy was

fermented it was only used in the orient as a nitrogen fixing crop

rotated between food crops to help the soil and not eaten. Here are a

number of articles outlining the problems with soy:

http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/

" People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is

out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there

is alight within. " -Kubler Ross

" Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that

followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. "

Holy Bible

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Miso and tempeh are fermented soy products that are excellent

foods. It is tofu, soy TVP and soy milk that are the main problems

being addressed in these articles, and are the main uses of soy

products beyond animal food.

--- In gallstones@y..., of Dewberry Hill <cozad76078@y...>

wrote:

>

> I will check this site out. It's quite extensive, and all new to me.

Are you sure the milk people aren't behind this? I'd heard only good

things about especially organic soy products and that miso diet was

one of the reasons that the Buddist monks survived the radiation of

the A bomb when all their neighbors did not. Anyone else in defense of

soy? BTW I'm doing my first gallstone flush tonight, will let you

all know how it goes.

>

>

> There are lots of reasons not to eat soybean products. Until soy was

> fermented it was only used in the orient as a nitrogen fixing crop

> rotated between food crops to help the soil and not eaten. Here are

a

> number of articles outlining the problems with soy:

>

> http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when

the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is

revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross

> " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the

world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have

the light of life. " Holy Bible

>

>

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Another website explaining soy, probably easier to read than the

other one:

http://www.rheumatic.org/soy.htm

> >

> > I will check this site out. It's quite extensive, and all new to

me.

> Are you sure the milk people aren't behind this? I'd heard only good

> things about especially organic soy products and that miso diet was

> one of the reasons that the Buddist monks survived the radiation of

> the A bomb when all their neighbors did not. Anyone else in defense

of

> soy? BTW I'm doing my first gallstone flush tonight, will let you

> all know how it goes.

> >

> >

> > There are lots of reasons not to eat soybean products. Until soy

was

> > fermented it was only used in the orient as a nitrogen fixing crop

> > rotated between food crops to help the soil and not eaten. Here

are

> a

> > number of articles outlining the problems with soy:

> >

> > http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when

> the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is

> revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross

> > " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the

> world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall

have

> the light of life. " Holy Bible

> >

> >

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> >

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Is the silk soy milk brand ok to use? I have been using it. I heard it was

really good for you.

>From: " eulypian " <eulypian@...>

>Reply-gallstones

>gallstones

>Subject: Re: Soy Warning

>Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:41:30 -0000

>

>Miso and tempeh are fermented soy products that are excellent

>foods. It is tofu, soy TVP and soy milk that are the main problems

>being addressed in these articles, and are the main uses of soy

>products beyond animal food.

>

>

>--- In gallstones@y..., of Dewberry Hill <cozad76078@y...>

>wrote:

> >

> > I will check this site out. It's quite extensive, and all new to me.

>Are you sure the milk people aren't behind this? I'd heard only good

>things about especially organic soy products and that miso diet was

>one of the reasons that the Buddist monks survived the radiation of

>the A bomb when all their neighbors did not. Anyone else in defense of

>soy? BTW I'm doing my first gallstone flush tonight, will let you

>all know how it goes.

> >

> >

> > There are lots of reasons not to eat soybean products. Until soy was

> > fermented it was only used in the orient as a nitrogen fixing crop

> > rotated between food crops to help the soil and not eaten. Here are

>a

> > number of articles outlining the problems with soy:

> >

> > http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when

>the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is

>revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross

> > " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the

>world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have

>the light of life. " Holy Bible

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> >

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Hopefully you are able to read the websites I listed. Here is a bit on

soy milk and soy protein powders from this site:

http://www.rheumatic.org/soy.htm

" The production of soy milk is relatively simple. In order to remove

as much of the trypsin inhibitor content as possible,

the beans are first soaked in an alkaline solution. The pureed

solution is then heated to about 115 degrees Centigrade

in a pressure cooker. This method destroys most (but not all) of the

anti-nutrients but has the unhappy side effect of so

denaturing the proteins that they become very difficult to digest and

much reduced in effectiveness. The phytate content

remains in soy milk to block the uptake of essential minerals. In

addition, the alkaline soaking solution produces a

carcinogen, lysinealine, and reduces the cystine content, which is

already low in the soybean. Lacking cystine, the entire

protein complex of the soybean becomes useless unless the diet is

fortified with cystine-rich meat, eggs, or dairy

products.

" Most soy products that imitate traditional American food items,

including baby formulas and some brands of soy milk,

are made with soy protein isolate, that is the soy protein isolated

from the carbohydrate and fatty acid components that

naturally occur in the bean. Soy beans are first ground and subjected

to high-temperature and solvent extraction

processes to remove the oils. The resultant defatted meal is then

mixed with an alkaline solution and sugars in a

separation process to remove fiber. Then it is precipitated and

separated using an acid wash. Finally the resultant curds

are neutralized in an alkaline solution and spray dried at high

temperatures to produce high protein powder.

" This is a highly refined product in which both vitamin and protein

quality are compromised-but some trypsin inhibitors

remain, even after such extreme refining. Trypsin inhibitor content of

soy protein isolate can vary as much as 5-fold. In

rats, even low level trypsin inhibitor soy protein isolate feeding

results in reduced weight gain compared to controls. Soy

product producers are not required to state trypsin inhibitor content

on labels, nor even to meet minimum standards,

and the public, trained to avoid dietary cholesterol, a substance

vital for normal growth and metabolism, has never

heard of the potent anti-nutrients found in cholesterol-free soy

products.

> Is the silk soy milk brand ok to use? I have been using it. I heard

it was

> really good for you.

>

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Seems like everything these days are bad for you. You never know what to

eat. So would reg. milk be better then? I just dont know what to think

anymore. Theres research on everything stating its bad.

>From: " eulypian " <eulypian@...>

>Reply-gallstones

>gallstones

>Subject: Re: Soy Warning

>Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:12:29 -0000

>

>Hopefully you are able to read the websites I listed. Here is a bit on

>soy milk and soy protein powders from this site:

>

>http://www.rheumatic.org/soy.htm

>

> " The production of soy milk is relatively simple. In order to remove

>as much of the trypsin inhibitor content as possible,

>the beans are first soaked in an alkaline solution. The pureed

>solution is then heated to about 115 degrees Centigrade

>in a pressure cooker. This method destroys most (but not all) of the

>anti-nutrients but has the unhappy side effect of so

>denaturing the proteins that they become very difficult to digest and

>much reduced in effectiveness. The phytate content

>remains in soy milk to block the uptake of essential minerals. In

>addition, the alkaline soaking solution produces a

>carcinogen, lysinealine, and reduces the cystine content, which is

>already low in the soybean. Lacking cystine, the entire

>protein complex of the soybean becomes useless unless the diet is

>fortified with cystine-rich meat, eggs, or dairy

>products.

>

> " Most soy products that imitate traditional American food items,

>including baby formulas and some brands of soy milk,

>are made with soy protein isolate, that is the soy protein isolated

>from the carbohydrate and fatty acid components that

>naturally occur in the bean. Soy beans are first ground and subjected

>to high-temperature and solvent extraction

>processes to remove the oils. The resultant defatted meal is then

>mixed with an alkaline solution and sugars in a

>separation process to remove fiber. Then it is precipitated and

>separated using an acid wash. Finally the resultant curds

>are neutralized in an alkaline solution and spray dried at high

>temperatures to produce high protein powder.

>

> " This is a highly refined product in which both vitamin and protein

>quality are compromised-but some trypsin inhibitors

>remain, even after such extreme refining. Trypsin inhibitor content of

>soy protein isolate can vary as much as 5-fold. In

>rats, even low level trypsin inhibitor soy protein isolate feeding

>results in reduced weight gain compared to controls. Soy

>product producers are not required to state trypsin inhibitor content

>on labels, nor even to meet minimum standards,

>and the public, trained to avoid dietary cholesterol, a substance

>vital for normal growth and metabolism, has never

>heard of the potent anti-nutrients found in cholesterol-free soy

>products.

>

>

> > Is the silk soy milk brand ok to use? I have been using it. I heard

>it was

> > really good for you.

> >

>

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What about organic soy milk? DG

It is tofu, soy TVP and soy milk that are the main problems

being addressed in these articles, and are the main uses of soy

products beyond animal food.

" People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is

out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there

is alight within. " -Kubler Ross

" Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that

followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. "

Holy Bible

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Hi,

I want to thank you for your post, and links. It's depressing though,

because I went through my refrigerator and cupboard and was shocked to

see exactly how many things I eat that contain some form of soy. Well,

if what I'm reading is true...and it's hard for me to discern...I'm

going to have to do some more research...I hope we, as consumers, catch

on to the hazards of soy, and do something about it.

Adrienne

--- eulypian <eulypian@...> wrote:

> There are lots of reasons not to eat soybean products. Until soy was

> fermented it was only used in the orient as a nitrogen fixing crop

> rotated between food crops to help the soil and not eaten. Here are a

>

> number of articles outlining the problems with soy:

>

> http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/

>

>

>

>

> > Hi, is soy the only source of lecithin? I can eat a little soy here

>

> and

> > there, but, start getting food allergy symptoms if I do it

> regularly.

> > Thanks

> > Kathy B

>

>

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> Seems like everything these days are bad for you. You never know

what to

> eat. So would reg. milk be better then? I just dont know what to

think

> anymore. Theres research on everything stating its bad.

I would think that farm fresh raw certified goat milk would be

better. It's the closest thing to mother's milk and I've seen kids

thrive on that when nursing wasn't possible. Me included. Rashes

clear up and have heard of studies where they use this for health

problems.

Cow products makes me sick and I get sinus problems. I don't have

that problem with goat milk.

Hope that helps

Diane

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There are lots of bad things on the market, no doubt about that.

But that doesn't mean everything is bad for you. I will say that

milk and soy milk aren't good for you. I'm sure most folks can

handle a little of those here and there, but they aren't positive

foods. If you are really in need of a milk substitute, almond milk is

pretty good stuff.

> > > Is the silk soy milk brand ok to use? I have been using it. I

heard

> >it was

> > > really good for you.

> > >

> >

>

>

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Thanks for your posts...I'm definitely going to try almond milk.

Adrienne

--- eulypian <eulypian@...> wrote:

> There are lots of bad things on the market, no doubt about that.

> But that doesn't mean everything is bad for you. I will say that

> milk and soy milk aren't good for you. I'm sure most folks can

> handle a little of those here and there, but they aren't positive

> foods. If you are really in need of a milk substitute, almond milk is

>

> pretty good stuff.

>

>

>

> > > > Is the silk soy milk brand ok to use? I have been using it. I

> heard

> > >it was

> > > > really good for you.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

> > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger:

> http://messenger.msn.com

>

>

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