Guest guest Posted December 27, 2001 Report Share Posted December 27, 2001 I will check this site out. It's quite extensive, and all new to me. Are you sure the milk people aren't behind this? I'd heard only good things about especially organic soy products and that miso diet was one of the reasons that the Buddist monks survived the radiation of the A bomb when all their neighbors did not. Anyone else in defense of soy? BTW I'm doing my first gallstone flush tonight, will let you all know how it goes. There are lots of reasons not to eat soybean products. Until soy was fermented it was only used in the orient as a nitrogen fixing crop rotated between food crops to help the soil and not eaten. Here are a number of articles outlining the problems with soy: http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/ " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 Miso and tempeh are fermented soy products that are excellent foods. It is tofu, soy TVP and soy milk that are the main problems being addressed in these articles, and are the main uses of soy products beyond animal food. --- In gallstones@y..., of Dewberry Hill <cozad76078@y...> wrote: > > I will check this site out. It's quite extensive, and all new to me. Are you sure the milk people aren't behind this? I'd heard only good things about especially organic soy products and that miso diet was one of the reasons that the Buddist monks survived the radiation of the A bomb when all their neighbors did not. Anyone else in defense of soy? BTW I'm doing my first gallstone flush tonight, will let you all know how it goes. > > > There are lots of reasons not to eat soybean products. Until soy was > fermented it was only used in the orient as a nitrogen fixing crop > rotated between food crops to help the soil and not eaten. Here are a > number of articles outlining the problems with soy: > > http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/ > > > > > > > " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross > " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible > > > --------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 Another website explaining soy, probably easier to read than the other one: http://www.rheumatic.org/soy.htm > > > > I will check this site out. It's quite extensive, and all new to me. > Are you sure the milk people aren't behind this? I'd heard only good > things about especially organic soy products and that miso diet was > one of the reasons that the Buddist monks survived the radiation of > the A bomb when all their neighbors did not. Anyone else in defense of > soy? BTW I'm doing my first gallstone flush tonight, will let you > all know how it goes. > > > > > > There are lots of reasons not to eat soybean products. Until soy was > > fermented it was only used in the orient as a nitrogen fixing crop > > rotated between food crops to help the soil and not eaten. Here are > a > > number of articles outlining the problems with soy: > > > > http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when > the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is > revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross > > " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the > world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have > the light of life. " Holy Bible > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 Is the silk soy milk brand ok to use? I have been using it. I heard it was really good for you. >From: " eulypian " <eulypian@...> >Reply-gallstones >gallstones >Subject: Re: Soy Warning >Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:41:30 -0000 > >Miso and tempeh are fermented soy products that are excellent >foods. It is tofu, soy TVP and soy milk that are the main problems >being addressed in these articles, and are the main uses of soy >products beyond animal food. > > >--- In gallstones@y..., of Dewberry Hill <cozad76078@y...> >wrote: > > > > I will check this site out. It's quite extensive, and all new to me. >Are you sure the milk people aren't behind this? I'd heard only good >things about especially organic soy products and that miso diet was >one of the reasons that the Buddist monks survived the radiation of >the A bomb when all their neighbors did not. Anyone else in defense of >soy? BTW I'm doing my first gallstone flush tonight, will let you >all know how it goes. > > > > > > There are lots of reasons not to eat soybean products. Until soy was > > fermented it was only used in the orient as a nitrogen fixing crop > > rotated between food crops to help the soil and not eaten. Here are >a > > number of articles outlining the problems with soy: > > > > http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when >the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is >revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross > > " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the >world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have >the light of life. " Holy Bible > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 Hopefully you are able to read the websites I listed. Here is a bit on soy milk and soy protein powders from this site: http://www.rheumatic.org/soy.htm " The production of soy milk is relatively simple. In order to remove as much of the trypsin inhibitor content as possible, the beans are first soaked in an alkaline solution. The pureed solution is then heated to about 115 degrees Centigrade in a pressure cooker. This method destroys most (but not all) of the anti-nutrients but has the unhappy side effect of so denaturing the proteins that they become very difficult to digest and much reduced in effectiveness. The phytate content remains in soy milk to block the uptake of essential minerals. In addition, the alkaline soaking solution produces a carcinogen, lysinealine, and reduces the cystine content, which is already low in the soybean. Lacking cystine, the entire protein complex of the soybean becomes useless unless the diet is fortified with cystine-rich meat, eggs, or dairy products. " Most soy products that imitate traditional American food items, including baby formulas and some brands of soy milk, are made with soy protein isolate, that is the soy protein isolated from the carbohydrate and fatty acid components that naturally occur in the bean. Soy beans are first ground and subjected to high-temperature and solvent extraction processes to remove the oils. The resultant defatted meal is then mixed with an alkaline solution and sugars in a separation process to remove fiber. Then it is precipitated and separated using an acid wash. Finally the resultant curds are neutralized in an alkaline solution and spray dried at high temperatures to produce high protein powder. " This is a highly refined product in which both vitamin and protein quality are compromised-but some trypsin inhibitors remain, even after such extreme refining. Trypsin inhibitor content of soy protein isolate can vary as much as 5-fold. In rats, even low level trypsin inhibitor soy protein isolate feeding results in reduced weight gain compared to controls. Soy product producers are not required to state trypsin inhibitor content on labels, nor even to meet minimum standards, and the public, trained to avoid dietary cholesterol, a substance vital for normal growth and metabolism, has never heard of the potent anti-nutrients found in cholesterol-free soy products. > Is the silk soy milk brand ok to use? I have been using it. I heard it was > really good for you. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 Seems like everything these days are bad for you. You never know what to eat. So would reg. milk be better then? I just dont know what to think anymore. Theres research on everything stating its bad. >From: " eulypian " <eulypian@...> >Reply-gallstones >gallstones >Subject: Re: Soy Warning >Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:12:29 -0000 > >Hopefully you are able to read the websites I listed. Here is a bit on >soy milk and soy protein powders from this site: > >http://www.rheumatic.org/soy.htm > > " The production of soy milk is relatively simple. In order to remove >as much of the trypsin inhibitor content as possible, >the beans are first soaked in an alkaline solution. The pureed >solution is then heated to about 115 degrees Centigrade >in a pressure cooker. This method destroys most (but not all) of the >anti-nutrients but has the unhappy side effect of so >denaturing the proteins that they become very difficult to digest and >much reduced in effectiveness. The phytate content >remains in soy milk to block the uptake of essential minerals. In >addition, the alkaline soaking solution produces a >carcinogen, lysinealine, and reduces the cystine content, which is >already low in the soybean. Lacking cystine, the entire >protein complex of the soybean becomes useless unless the diet is >fortified with cystine-rich meat, eggs, or dairy >products. > > " Most soy products that imitate traditional American food items, >including baby formulas and some brands of soy milk, >are made with soy protein isolate, that is the soy protein isolated >from the carbohydrate and fatty acid components that >naturally occur in the bean. Soy beans are first ground and subjected >to high-temperature and solvent extraction >processes to remove the oils. The resultant defatted meal is then >mixed with an alkaline solution and sugars in a >separation process to remove fiber. Then it is precipitated and >separated using an acid wash. Finally the resultant curds >are neutralized in an alkaline solution and spray dried at high >temperatures to produce high protein powder. > > " This is a highly refined product in which both vitamin and protein >quality are compromised-but some trypsin inhibitors >remain, even after such extreme refining. Trypsin inhibitor content of >soy protein isolate can vary as much as 5-fold. In >rats, even low level trypsin inhibitor soy protein isolate feeding >results in reduced weight gain compared to controls. Soy >product producers are not required to state trypsin inhibitor content >on labels, nor even to meet minimum standards, >and the public, trained to avoid dietary cholesterol, a substance >vital for normal growth and metabolism, has never >heard of the potent anti-nutrients found in cholesterol-free soy >products. > > > > Is the silk soy milk brand ok to use? I have been using it. I heard >it was > > really good for you. > > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 What about organic soy milk? DG It is tofu, soy TVP and soy milk that are the main problems being addressed in these articles, and are the main uses of soy products beyond animal food. " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2001 Report Share Posted December 30, 2001 Hi, I want to thank you for your post, and links. It's depressing though, because I went through my refrigerator and cupboard and was shocked to see exactly how many things I eat that contain some form of soy. Well, if what I'm reading is true...and it's hard for me to discern...I'm going to have to do some more research...I hope we, as consumers, catch on to the hazards of soy, and do something about it. Adrienne --- eulypian <eulypian@...> wrote: > There are lots of reasons not to eat soybean products. Until soy was > fermented it was only used in the orient as a nitrogen fixing crop > rotated between food crops to help the soil and not eaten. Here are a > > number of articles outlining the problems with soy: > > http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/ > > > > > > Hi, is soy the only source of lecithin? I can eat a little soy here > > and > > there, but, start getting food allergy symptoms if I do it > regularly. > > Thanks > > Kathy B > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2001 Report Share Posted December 31, 2001 > Seems like everything these days are bad for you. You never know what to > eat. So would reg. milk be better then? I just dont know what to think > anymore. Theres research on everything stating its bad. I would think that farm fresh raw certified goat milk would be better. It's the closest thing to mother's milk and I've seen kids thrive on that when nursing wasn't possible. Me included. Rashes clear up and have heard of studies where they use this for health problems. Cow products makes me sick and I get sinus problems. I don't have that problem with goat milk. Hope that helps Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2001 Report Share Posted December 31, 2001 There are lots of bad things on the market, no doubt about that. But that doesn't mean everything is bad for you. I will say that milk and soy milk aren't good for you. I'm sure most folks can handle a little of those here and there, but they aren't positive foods. If you are really in need of a milk substitute, almond milk is pretty good stuff. > > > Is the silk soy milk brand ok to use? I have been using it. I heard > >it was > > > really good for you. > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 Thanks for your posts...I'm definitely going to try almond milk. Adrienne --- eulypian <eulypian@...> wrote: > There are lots of bad things on the market, no doubt about that. > But that doesn't mean everything is bad for you. I will say that > milk and soy milk aren't good for you. I'm sure most folks can > handle a little of those here and there, but they aren't positive > foods. If you are really in need of a milk substitute, almond milk is > > pretty good stuff. > > > > > > > Is the silk soy milk brand ok to use? I have been using it. I > heard > > >it was > > > > really good for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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