Re: Type 1

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In a message dated 00-12-03 14:02:25 EST, you write:

<<

Does anybody with Type 1 diabetes have any relatives with it? They kept

asking Carey this in the hospital. The only people in his family with

diabetes (that we know of) are Type 2 and much older. >>

Hi, Donna, I think it's odd that hospital personnel ask you this...I believe

recent studies have shown that type 1 is NOT hereditary, although type 2 is.

I wish I could report more specifics to you but I know I read it on the

internet. (I know, don't believe everything you read no the internet but...)

There have now been determined to be several causes for type 1 and one of the

most recently recognized is previous autoimmune disorders, which is probably

the reason for my own late-onset type 1. I had hypothyroidism (Hashimoto's)

for at least 30 years and also Sjogren's syndrome. Thyroid disorders are

endocrine and there is a close connection with autoimmune disorders.

Sjogren's is definitely autoimmune. There is no one else in my family with

diabetes. Doubtless there are places no the web where you can get a complete

list of autoimmune disorders, maybe someone else can help out here. Vicki

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In a message dated 12/03/2000 3:18:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

whimsy2@... writes:

<< There is no one else in my family with

diabetes. Doubtless there are places no the web where you can get a

complete

list of autoimmune disorders, maybe someone else can help out here. Vicki >>

In my family my great-grandmother, mother of my grandfather on my mom's side

had type 1. She used insulin I'm told, she was supposed to test urine but

never did, she went blind then died about 80 yrs old, ate sweets all the time.

Next diabetes showing was my aunt, and my uncle on my moms side, then me, now

my sister who is a twin, the other one no showings yet of dm. but dm2, not 1.

I was told a long time ago by a DR that type 1 is every 3rd generation, the

rest will have dm2, and if twins both will have it, but not true in my

sisters' case.

Lets hope endo's are up to date on the latest findings on this, so I'm not

sure what it really is.

carol

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In a message dated 12/03/2000 6:06:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gardner_donna@... writes:

<< But was told then that it was IBS. >>

Yes, you are right. Crohns is not a syndrome it is a disease, it is also

hereditary.

I have it, so does my daughter. Does he take prednisone by any chance? I did,

and it did me in dm wise, oral meds don't work for me, only insulin.

carol

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When they were asking, they had not yet determined that he was Type 1. Carey has

mild Crohn's disease. They have not really determined what causes Crohns, but a

big theory is that it is auto-immune. He is mild enough to go without

medication. I believe he has been getting arthritis in about the past year. It

has really been bothering him these past couple weeks and he has exhausted other

choices for prescriptions right now because of his Crohns. Maybe when he is

feeling better he will be able to handle something else besides Tylenol. The

Tylenol is not really doing much for him.

Re: Type 1

In a message dated 00-12-03 14:02:25 EST, you write:

<<

Does anybody with Type 1 diabetes have any relatives with it? They kept

asking Carey this in the hospital. The only people in his family with

diabetes (that we know of) are Type 2 and much older. >>

Hi, Donna, I think it's odd that hospital personnel ask you this...I believe

recent studies have shown that type 1 is NOT hereditary, although type 2 is.

I wish I could report more specifics to you but I know I read it on the

internet. (I know, don't believe everything you read no the internet but...)

There have now been determined to be several causes for type 1 and one of the

most recently recognized is previous autoimmune disorders, which is probably

the reason for my own late-onset type 1. I had hypothyroidism (Hashimoto's)

for at least 30 years and also Sjogren's syndrome. Thyroid disorders are

endocrine and there is a close connection with autoimmune disorders.

Sjogren's is definitely autoimmune. There is no one else in my family with

diabetes. Doubtless there are places no the web where you can get a complete

list of autoimmune disorders, maybe someone else can help out here. Vicki

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Hi group

Susie, I sure don't want to step on toes here but this is one I will beg to

differ with you on.

> While type 2 is strongly hereditary, type 1 is >not. But we do see that

many type 1's have a lot >of 2's in the family.

Up to the present most of the diabetics from my father's family (that is

where the heriditary factor comes from for me) have been Type I. There is

at least one or more in every generation. There have been a few Type II -

adult onsets, me being one. I was also the first to be diagnosed

hypoglysemic as a post teen (first pregnancy age 18).

Carolyn D Kaminski

finally under control

Type 2 on Avandia, Glipizide, N & R Insulin

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In a message dated 12/03/2000 8:29:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gardner_donna@... writes:

<< He took Dipentum at one time. >>

He's lucky. I took dipentum too, but had to stop it, it shot my blood

pressure sky high.

carol

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> Does anybody with Type 1 diabetes have

> any relatives with it? They kept asking

> Carey this in the hospital. The only people

> in his family with diabetes (that we know of)

> are Type 2 and much older.

I don't have Type 1 diabetes, Donna, but I have read that the greater

part (85-90%) of all Type 1 diabetes patients come from families in

which no previous case of diabetes has occurred. Only about 15% of

all Type 1 diabetes patients have relatives with Type 1 diabetes

( " multiplex families " ) but those families do not differ clinically or

genetically from families with only one Type 1 patient. This is

called " a hereditary disposition with variable penetrance " .

A lot seems to depend on the HLA system types (human leukocyte

antigen system). The lowest risk amongst siblings - comparable with

that of the general population - is between non-HLA-identical

siblings (1%), a medium risk between haploidentical siblings (5%) and

a high risk between HLA-identical siblings (10-20%). The average risk

for siblings is said to be 3%. Children of parents with Type 1

diabetes have a statistical risk of 4% (5% if the father has Type 1

but only 2.5% if the mother has it).

All this is only of significance when trying to predict the risk of

an individual who shows no symptoms. Once the symptoms are there, it

would seem to be only of academic interest. If you are interested in

knowing the risk of Type 1 diabetes manifesting itself in your own

children, I understand that you can ask for an " HLA-DR/DQ typing " for

the family.

The only reference I have is:

Tarn, A.C., , J.M., Dean, B.M.: " Predicting insulin-dependent

diabetes. " ; Lancet 1988/1, 845.

Thornton

Pforzheim, Germany

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Donna Gardner wrote:

<< Carey has mild Crohn's disease >>

It could possibly have been his diet, Donna. You reported he was eating a

diet with a mere 3% fat, which sounds like it was almost entirely

carbohydrates. Many of us who are diagnosed diabetic find that we have a

sort of allergy to carbohydrates - at least the highly-processed grains that

are such a large part of our modern diet. Many report GERD

(gastro-esophageal reflux disease), heartburn, IBS (irritable bowel

syndrome), etc., that usually vanishes when we cut way back on the grain

intake. My kid sister, a mostly-vegetarian, reported that her IBS and some

chronic allergies disappeared when she changed her diet after being

diagnosed type 2 recently. It happened to me too.

Susie

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No, he never took prednisone. He took Dipentum at one time. But, now he doesn't

take anything.

Re: Type 1

In a message dated 12/03/2000 6:06:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,

gardner_donna@... writes:

<< But was told then that it was IBS. >>

Yes, you are right. Crohns is not a syndrome it is a disease, it is also

hereditary.

I have it, so does my daughter. Does he take prednisone by any chance? I did,

and it did me in dm wise, oral meds don't work for me, only insulin.

carol

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Donna Gardner wrote:

<< No, he never took prednisone. He took Dipentum at one time. >>

Dipentum is an NSAID - nonsteriodal anti-inflamatory agent.

Susie

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In a message dated 12/04/2000 3:26:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, nws@...

writes:

<< It seems like you can catch almost every kind of " bug " because we

have a " screwed up " immune system.

>>

Yes, and I get everything, so I have a rule now, everyone has to use the hand

sanitizer before coming in the house, and no bar soap, just the liquid kind

in a pump bottle, I use dial.

I haven't gotten anything in over a year now, just the crohns and dm problems

but no colds or flu.

Last year when my roomie moved in I caught the worst cold I ever had from

him, it lasted a whole month, he had gone to his mom's she had a cold, and he

brought it home to me, as it is spread from the hands, not the cold or drafts

as people think.

I even use it in the grocery store, lots of people touch the groceries you

touch or pick up, I've gotten virus' this way too in the past, but no more.

Bar soap is not allowed in hospitals for a reason, it spreads germs.

We use paper towels not cloth towels, in the kitchen and bathroom both at

home.

carol

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Dear Donna,

I have no idea what part of the country you and your husband are from but if

you are descendants from the same Gardner line as me you have a lot of

relatives in the same boat with you. I'll have to check my history book

again to be certain but it seems to me that my grandfather and his people

originated somewhere in the Oregon area and some of them went south to

California while others settled in the Arkansas/Oklahoma/Missouri areas.

Some of them eventually came to Texas. Grandpa's name was Elmer

Gardner and he married Edmona Bruner. He had several brothers and sisters.

Some of the brother's names were Wylie, Noah, and Harley. If any of this

registers I'll go back and re-read the history of the Gardners. I am a Type

2 and so are 2 of my cousins, but one of my cousins is a Type 1. Several of

the older Gardners, including one of my aunts and more distant cousins were

diabetics. I guess I just never knew any of this until the doctors started

asking me questions about my family history when I was diagnosed. Now it

seems like a great majority of my friends and family have the same problem.

I haven't been on the Internet much lately because I've been so sick with

the flu but decided I'd better check some of my emails this morning. You

just have to be extra careful with everything when you have this diabetic

" curse " . It seems like you can catch almost every kind of " bug " because we

have a " screwed up " immune system.

Good luck,

Tootie

Type 1

Does anybody with Type 1 diabetes have any relatives with it? They kept

asking Carey this in the hospital. The only people in his family with

diabetes (that we know of) are Type 2 and much older. This includes his

grandmother's brother and his grandmother (in her 70s) who was just recently

diagnosed. However, his grandfather did have bad feet problems when Carey's

father was little. I am not sure how old he was, but I believe he was around

Carey's age. I will have to check with his parents. He ended up committing

suicide because of the bad foot problems and not being able to work. I

didn't even think about this at the hospital, but I will tell his doctor

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In a message dated 12/4/00 4:04:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

astrocarly@... writes:

<< everyone has to use the hand

sanitizer before coming in the house, and no bar soap, just the liquid kind

in a pump bottle, I use dial. >>

Anyother thing that works well in the US is we have some things out now

called Sanitizers.... and they dont require that you even rinse you just

wipe them on your hands and scrub them together.... they are a gel that have

alcohol in them to kill germies.... If you have sensitive skin obviously be

careful but.. they do seem to help a lot.

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In a message dated 12/4/00 4:04:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

astrocarly@... writes:

<< everyone has to use the hand

sanitizer before coming in the house, and no bar soap, just the liquid kind

in a pump bottle, I use dial. >>

Anyother thing that works well in the US is we have some things out now

called Sanitizers.... and they dont require that you even rinse you just

wipe them on your hands and scrub them together.... they are a gel that have

alcohol in them to kill germies.... If you have sensitive skin obviously be

careful but.. they do seem to help a lot.

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In a message dated 12/04/2000 8:34:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,

GayRghts@... writes:

<< Anyother thing that works well in the US is we have some things out now

called Sanitizers.... and they dont require that you even rinse you just

wipe them on your hands and scrub them together.... they are a gel that have

alcohol in them to kill germies.... If you have sensitive skin obviously be

careful but.. they do seem to help a lot. >>

I am in the US, and I was talking about sanitizers

carol

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In a message dated 12/04/2000 11:03:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ottercritter@... writes:

<< " public pens " in the doctor's office, to sign the credit >>

oh thanks, I hadn't thought of that!!! :-)

carol

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My husband's family is from North Carolina (for quite a way back). They are all

located around the Pitt County/Pinetops area....Northeastern North Carolina.

Type 1

Does anybody with Type 1 diabetes have any relatives with it? They kept

asking Carey this in the hospital. The only people in his family with

diabetes (that we know of) are Type 2 and much older. This includes his

grandmother's brother and his grandmother (in her 70s) who was just recently

diagnosed. However, his grandfather did have bad feet problems when Carey's

father was little. I am not sure how old he was, but I believe he was around

Carey's age. I will have to check with his parents. He ended up committing

suicide because of the bad foot problems and not being able to work. I

didn't even think about this at the hospital, but I will tell his doctor

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Good tips, Carol! Here's another ... I always carry at least one pen with

me. I never use the " public pens " in the doctor's office, to sign the credit

card slip in the store or restaurant, etc. Everybody has handled those dirty

pens! And I use my elbows or back when possible to open doors.

Susie

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I also use a paper towel to turn the water off after washing my hands.

Eunice

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> I never use the " public pens " in the doctor's

> office, to sign the credit card slip in the

> store or restaurant, etc. Everybody has handled

> those dirty pens! And I use my elbows or back

> when possible to open doors.

What do you do about cash money, Susie? I have read that the average

pocketful of US banknotes contains a detectable amount of cocaine. I

am wondering if anybody has ever tried making cultures from them and

what they came up with? Over here, it is quite common to see sales

people handling unprotected food with their hands and then handling

the money and making change. Ugh!

I have tried using my feet to open restroom doors, something like

Arnold Schwarzenegger in a hurry, but that has got me into trouble.

One of the biggest decisions in my life is whether to flush public

restroom toilets or leave that pleasure for the next guy.

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Re: Type 1

, my way around that is to go ahead and flush, then wash thoroughly and

use the paper towel to open the restroom door to leave. Proprietors are getting

smart... they're putting the waste bins next to the doors.

>snip<

One of the biggest decisions in my life is whether to flush public

restroom toilets or leave that pleasure for the next guy.

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> , my way around that is to go ahead and

> flush, then wash thoroughly and use the paper

> towel to open the restroom door to leave.

> Proprietors are getting smart... they're putting

> the waste bins next to the doors.

What paper towels? What waste bin? Ah, that must be in North America!

Most European restrooms rely on a hot-air blower or a cloth roller-

towel with a powerful motor that winds the used, wet, soiled part

back up into a metal box alongside the still unused part. Used paper

towels, if provided, usually end up where they can't fall any

further - on the floor.

I have tried unlocking the door and taking out the key if it is at a

gas station, going back to the sink to wash my hands, then pushing

open the door with both elbows to get out while keeping the greasy

string holding the key looped over the little finger of my left hand

(I never use that finger to eat with) and returning the key to the

attendant that way just as he/she serves somebody with a cheese-and-

ham sandwich.

Sometimes you just have to think about something else.

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Thornton wrote:

<< What do you do about cash money, Susie? >>

That question made me realize how " plastic " our monetary system has become.

I handle nearly all purchases with credit cards. I always wash my hands when

I return from a shopping trip or running errands. I guess that's because

I've had so much trouble with pneumonia. I get the flu, and it turns into

pneumonia. I just got a pneumonia shot yesterday. They said it's good for

5-10 years, but get it redone in five because of being diabetic. It didn't

hurt at all. They finally got their flu shot supply in.. We've had a

terrible problem over here with a failure of the manufacturers to deliver

the flu shots in time.

<< Over here, it is quite common to see sales people handling unprotected

food with their hands and then handling the money and making change. Ugh! >>

It's against the law here, but I've seen it too.

<< One of the biggest decisions in my life is whether to flush public

restroom toilets or leave that pleasure for the next guy. >>

Many public toilets in the U.S. have a " seeing eye " that flushes

automatically when you stand up. The sinks also turn on and off via an eye.

For the kind with the lever, I use my foot, if possible.

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Susie, in public restrooms I flush the toilets with a wad of toilet

paper,dropping it right in. I also open the door to leave with toilet paper,

the same goes for the door to leave the restroom. D.J.

Re: Re: Type 1

> Thornton wrote:

>

> << What do you do about cash money, Susie? >>

>

> That question made me realize how " plastic " our monetary system has

become.

> I handle nearly all purchases with credit cards. I always wash my hands

when

> I return from a shopping trip or running errands. I guess that's because

> I've had so much trouble with pneumonia. I get the flu, and it turns into

> pneumonia. I just got a pneumonia shot yesterday. They said it's good for

> 5-10 years, but get it redone in five because of being diabetic. It didn't

> hurt at all. They finally got their flu shot supply in.. We've had a

> terrible problem over here with a failure of the manufacturers to deliver

> the flu shots in time.

>

> << Over here, it is quite common to see sales people handling unprotected

> food with their hands and then handling the money and making change. Ugh!

>>

>

> It's against the law here, but I've seen it too.

>

> << One of the biggest decisions in my life is whether to flush public

> restroom toilets or leave that pleasure for the next guy. >>

>

> Many public toilets in the U.S. have a " seeing eye " that flushes

> automatically when you stand up. The sinks also turn on and off via an

eye.

> For the kind with the lever, I use my foot, if possible.

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> http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int

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I hate that too, . I generally flush public toilets with my foot.

Teri

Re: Type 1

One of the biggest decisions in my life is whether to flush public

restroom toilets or leave that pleasure for the next guy.

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