Re: Re: A point to ponder - studies on effects of nutrition on ms...

September 24, 2007

Hi . There may never be enough scientific studies that will convince

everyone to eat their greens for health. There have been studies that show

which vegetables have which vitamins. Many of them have been done by supplement

companies. Many of them have been studied by pharmaceutical companies so that

they could imitate the effects of nature in a drug. They are profit driven

studies. Few people work for free.

There is no rule that anyone HAS to see a doctor. You don't have to go to a

car mechanic. Both are paid jobs and compassion isn't required. There are

people who excel at both, but they seem to be the exception. Do your own

research. Talk to people who feel as you do about food as medicine. Take

responsibility for your own health instead of putting your health in the hands

of a body mechanic. They're trained to repair, not to prevent illness. They

don't all make straight A's in medical school.

It's frustrating, I know. I think allopathic doctors are great for trauma, but

for chronic health issues, they aren't the best people to see.

Don't you wonder why the same drugs have been prescribed for MS for years and

they don't seem to be any closer to knowing what causes MS? Baffling.

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Hi ,

I agree with most of what you are saying and think a lot of my

frustration is that there needs to be some way to get doctors to

start learning 'smart medicine' when they go to med school, and not

be taught by the drug companies. Yes, there is evidence out there

for benefits of nutrition

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September 24, 2007

Hi ,

Doctors who want to learn do have the opportunity but its very slim.

They have to take courses every year to keep up their credentials, up

until recently these courses are all run by the drug companies. So all

the new info they get every year is about drugs. Their original

schooling only includes 6 hours of nutrition training and so they are

quite inept when it comes to this. There are now some new CEC courses

being offered that are all about nutrition and some doctors are taking

note. The best way for doctors to hear about the successes with

nutrition is by their own patients. You can imagine if patient after

patient quit coming in with their complaints and kept telling their

doctors that better nutrition and supplements were the cause. The

doctors that I know and work with, this is what happened. Some of the

people were relentless in working on these doctors, to the point of

getting kicked out of their offices. But some have changed their ways

and its those doctors that will hopefully get through to others. I know

a few who have been shamed and ridiculed because of their stance on

alternative meds, but they are taking a higher road.

So if the scientific communities require more proof then they will have

to step outside their little box of ignorance and see that its already

all around them. But then FDA steps in and slaps the hand of anyone who

makes any claims about food or supplements being able to help with any

condition. So when you go looking for disease specific studies using

nutrition, they will get harder and harder to find as the FDA is putting

an end to that type of information in print. I just heard that the

makers of Red yeast rice are being sued and shut down, next the farmers

will be put in jail for selling oranges as we all know Vitamin C can

cure scurvy (whoops did I use the cure word)'

Anyway , you will have to travel your own journey, drugs are not

the answer, your body is not deficient in Crab drugs and the only people

I know who have returned to health did when they got off drugs and used

super nutrition to fight back and gain ground. Also, if your mom and

grandma had the same symptoms you did, it could very well be lyme. Its

passed through the placenta and through nursing and also families who

live together have the same exposures, be it environmental or food

choices or lifestyle choices. Sorry if I come on strong, I have been at

this now for year and am really tired of seeing the results of the

brainwashing going on with the doctors. its time for people to wake up,

take responsibility for their own bodies!

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>

> Hi ,

>

> I agree with most of what you are saying and think a lot of my

> frustration is that there needs to be some way to get doctors to

> start learning 'smart medicine' when they go to med school, and not

> be taught by the drug companies. Yes, there is evidence out there

> for benefits of nutrition,

>

September 24, 2007

Dear , this is frustrating, but you ar here!

Eating naturally, organicly, and primarily Omega 3 and Omega 6

fats canot be wrong! (I know, organically is usually spelled as I

just now spelled it, but that is nuts; who says " organical? " )

There are many books on all this, and many web sites, and almost

any thing is a vast improvement over eating heaps of saturated fats,

no veggies, and tons of cholesterol-ridden meat. Give yourself time

to adjust. My mother (yet!) was a healthy eating fiend and lived to

102.5+ and had many things wrong AFTER age 92, but lived a long

and productive life. She insisited on: NO processed sugars, such

as cane or beet sugar, or (heaven forfend!) " high fructose corn syrup! "

She brought all six of us up to eat very healthfully. My father, who

nonetheless did live to 95 with Multiple Surprises, balked at salads,

but eventually caved in on the vegetables and loved fruits!

Improvement is always good. You do not have to achieve a revo

lution over night, and the rate of improvement will pick up as you

personally experience the benefits of it.

love to you, ,

and to all in our group, and every tiny step of improvement is indeed

laudable, from my own point of view,

n

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Arg, I am so frustrated with this whole thing! I need to find time

to find the answers to how to eat right... but I don't have that

either! I feel that I need to go to 'school' on this thing to get a

true handle on it - but I need the info now so I can stop taking

that darn rebif. I'm going in for food allergy testing Tues. and

going to educate them about the Melisa test, and get that started

to. I'm just so baffled yet!

OK, so we get the story straight on my ms history - my paternal

grandmother (Dad's mom) was Dx in the 60's after being bedridden and

blind - found food allergies... got away from her grown, rebelious

kids and got better; my paternal AUNT (Dad's sister) would have been

Dx with it too in the 80's if she'd told the doc's all the possible

symptoms she'd had and the Dx criteria had been as loose as it is

now - so, unless lyme travels through the sperm too, I really don't

think that is it. I will say I'm entertaining your belief though

('cause I still hope) and having a lyme test run too.

Somehow I'll get the food thing figured out and change the 27 years

of bad eating I've done... and 're-wire' my taste buds. : )

Thanks for letting me vent alittle.

> >

> > Ah! Wish my head would clear, 'course if I'd get more sleep...

> >

> > So, I decided I had to read through the site I found either on

this

> > group, or another - www.direct-ms.org. Answered a lot of my Qs

(or

> > will once I get things read) and yes, there is articles out

there on

> > my concerns. I still feel dis-alusioned! Why must everything be

> > answered in drugs?!!

> >

>

September 25, 2007

Hi and Newbies,

It's hard to fix something if you don't know the fundamentals. It is not

so much that we are nutrient lacking, it is the Ecology of the gut that is the

crux of the problem. What is the ecology of the gut? Bacteria! Pounds of

them! With out them, we die. With a bad mix, we are sick. You know, the

acidolpholus, the biffidas, the lactobacilli, etc, and of course the Candida's.

If the gut is strong and healthy, it's almost impossible to develope the

degenerative diseases. The imune system and the central nervouse system are

largley incorporated in the gut, and is dependant on the actions of the gut

bacteria. The best sourse of information I have found on the net is from Dr Leo

Galland, Enterologist, extraordinar. To correct the ecology of the gut takes

some time and a lot of self determination. Number one is probiotics, Omega

three's " marine lippids " and a lot of " plant " foods. Avoid wheat. A smaller

amount of red meat and dairy. Avoid the sugars, tap water, and

processed carbs. I believe a mix of " probiotics " over time, and fish oil, are

very very important. You may experiance " detox " reactions, or I should say, you

will experiance detox reactions. As you clean things up, that will alleviate

also. The fundamentals. ....RP