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Gail, how did you go about trading the T3 for Thyroid-S? What time

frame did you trade in? Did you ever go hyper that you know of?

I know you are frustrated as I would be too, but perhaps there is a

way to turn this around without turning back.

AG

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I was adding in a thyroid S then watching my HR & dropping 25mg of

Cytomel when it started getting high (around 100). That worked until

I got to 3 thyroid S then I started having hypo symptoms. I added

another thyS & it did not improve so I added back some T3.

I tried this a couple of months ago with no luck. The first time that

I tried to make the switch was a year ago. I spent 2-3 months trying

to get optimized on Thy S but after a 20lb weight gain I went back to

cytomel. Sigh,,,,, I do not lose weight on Cytomel but I have gained

60lbs total while on Armour & thyS.

Gale

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> Gail, how did you go about trading the T3 for Thyroid-S? What time

> frame did you trade in? Did you ever go hyper that you know of?

>

> I know you are frustrated as I would be too, but perhaps there is a

> way to turn this around without turning back.

>

> AG

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Hmmm. I take it you have a high enough ferritin? And what about cortisol? Are you right in the middle with it?AGI was adding in a thyroid S then watching my HR & dropping 25mg ofCytomel when it started getting high (around 100). That worked untilI got to 3 thyroid S then I started having hypo symptoms. I addedanother thyS & it did not improve so I added back some T3.I tried this a couple of months ago with no luck. The first time thatI tried to make the switch was a year ago. I spent 2-3 months tryingto get optimized on Thy S but after a 20lb weight gain I went back tocytomel. Sigh,,,,, I do not lose weight on Cytomel but I have gained60lbs total while on Armour & thyS.Gale

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Hi Leisa,

I gained massive amounts of weight while on natural thyroid,

initially, I lost some weight on a tiny dose, but I wasn't very

overweight then, the full hormone loss hadn't kicked in, then over the

next 8 months I put on some 60kg (138lb) no matter how much I raised

thyroid - it eventually sunk in that anything with T4 in it does me no

good after many attempts with different forms, my weight is completely

stable on T3 only, and I haven't ever pushed the envelope very high (I

don't count SR coz i find it about 50% as potent as it's claimed mcg)

and finally, after adding some GH, my body composition is beginning to

change shape - I don't weigh so perhaps next time a doc weighs me I

will get a different number.

Mostly I see people who lose weight on Armour are those who have less

complicated hormone issues than those who do not - a generalisation

but it's just my observation, the average seems to be finding optimal

and holding there for roughly +/- 12 months before metabolism really

begins to reshape the body. Think how long it takes those of us who

are more complicated to even find optimal, let alone stay there long

enough for the body to relinquish it's famine mode, and also consider

that some gain weight with hyper, not often acknowledged, but a

recognised symptom nonetheless and you can see it's not a clear

picture at all, and one that requires alot of patience.

Cat

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> Qestion regarding no wieght loss and t3 only treatment....do most

people find this to be true..and do you lose wieght from armour?�

> �

> also can you gain wieght from t3 only?.......

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Interesting Cat! Question.whats SR? Not as strong as t3?

Subject: Re:Trying to stop CytomelTo: RT3_T3 Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 7:07 PM

Hi Leisa,I gained massive amounts of weight while on natural thyroid,initially, I lost some weight on a tiny dose, but I wasn't veryoverweight then, the full hormone loss hadn't kicked in, then over thenext 8 months I put on some 60kg (138lb) no matter how much I raisedthyroid - it eventually sunk in that anything with T4 in it does me nogood after many attempts with different forms, my weight is completelystable on T3 only, and I haven't ever pushed the envelope very high (Idon't count SR coz i find it about 50% as potent as it's claimed mcg)and finally, after adding some GH, my body composition is beginning tochange shape - I don't weigh so perhaps next time a doc weighs me Iwill get a different number. Mostly I see people who lose weight on Armour are those who have lesscomplicated hormone issues than those who do not - a generalisationbut it's just my observation,

the average seems to be finding optimaland holding there for roughly +/- 12 months before metabolism reallybegins to reshape the body. Think how long it takes those of us whoare more complicated to even find optimal, let alone stay there longenough for the body to relinquish it's famine mode, and also considerthat some gain weight with hyper, not often acknowledged, but arecognised symptom nonetheless and you can see it's not a clearpicture at all, and one that requires alot of patience.Cat>> Qestion regarding no wieght loss and t3 only treatment....do mostpeople find this to be true..and do you lose wieght from armour?� > �> also can you gain wieght from t3

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--- At 04:40 AM 1/8/2009, T wrote:

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>Gale, it sounds as if you still have an RT3 CAUSE in place. Either cortisol

(high or low) or Ferritin (high or low) may be causing you to head back into RT3

every time you give your body the T4.

What if it's because lowering T3 intake causes the pituitary

to increase TSH in preference (at a higher rate) than the TSH

decrease resulting from the new T4 intake, and as the 'system'

is rested (after having been on T3 only), and now the overall

TSH increase causes the rested thyroid to start putting out

its own T4 -- and this is a double T4 input -- which in turn

triggers a rapid increase in RT3...

Why not wait for the thyroid to wake back up, fully -- by

remaining hypo for a while, if that happens? Denis

claims this strategy does work sometimes... and perhaps it

would work for you, too ?

If it does work, just watch for the Hashimoto's antibodies,

in case they start to come back... With the adrenals

properly supported, maybe Hashimoto's would never reappear.

Bill

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SR is slow release or sometimes called " timed release " , often

compounded T3 is slow release, I personally found it to be about 50%

roughly as potent as tertroxine in my body, I'm in Australia though,

so I haven't tried cytomel or any of the other t3 products besides

tertroxine and compounded SRT3 yet, and I also wonder about our

compounded natural thyroid products which are made from the same

powder as Armour apparently but we seem to have many less success

stories on average with compounded Armour than I hear with Armour

tablets from USA... not sure why :-(

>

> Interesting Cat! Question.whats SR? Not as strong as t3?

>

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After 2 years of trying to treat low cortisol I have made NO progress.

I, like Mo & others cannot get stable temps. I really feel that I

have tried everything.

I must move on as I just cannot afford to continue to purchase T3 from

our sources. If the source from Mexico ever offers Cynomel again then

I would stay on the T3 but until then I simply must return to Thyroid S.

Val, I am very excited to read of your positive improvements on the

IGF-1.I am anxious to see if you have finally found the missing link.

This weight gain is really getting me down. I have followed a diet of

30-35 carbs a day since 2002. I lost 65 lbs & my DH lost about 45

lbs. We still follow the same diet but since my thyroid crashed in

4/06 I have gained 60 lbs. I am at my witts end with this. I am so

afraid that I will begin gaining weight again when I finally get back

on Thyroid S but I really have no choice.

Val, I have tested my fasting blood sugar & it was around 85. Of

course this is on a very low carb diet. Is there anything else that I

should look at?

Gale

>

> Gale, it sounds as if you stil have an RT3 CAUSE in place. Either

cortils

> (high or low) or Ferritin (high or low) may be causing oyu to head

back into

> RT3 every time oyu give your body the T4.

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

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Well your glucoe is great, have you ever had IGF-1 tested? It can be low

with stil normal glucose if your pancreas is stil producing enough

insulin. And high insulin levels DO make it difficult if not impossible

to lose weight. You could also test fasting insulin levels.

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I have never in my life had a high TSH. I believe that I have been

hypo my entire life with a low TSH. When I was finally diagianosed in

June of 06 my TSH was 1.8 but my Free T4 was below the bottom of the

range. I have also never tested positive for antibodies.

Thanks for the input Bill. You may be correct about needing to go

hypo for a while to make the switch. The problem is that I really

cannot stand to gain any more weight in the process.

Gale

> >

> >Gale, it sounds as if you still have an RT3 CAUSE in place. Either

cortisol (high or low) or Ferritin (high or low) may be causing you to

head back into RT3 every time you give your body the T4.

>

>

> What if it's because lowering T3 intake causes the pituitary

> to increase TSH in preference (at a higher rate) than the TSH

> decrease resulting from the new T4 intake, and as the 'system'

> is rested (after having been on T3 only), and now the overall

> TSH increase causes the rested thyroid to start putting out

> its own T4 -- and this is a double T4 input -- which in turn

> triggers a rapid increase in RT3...

>

> Why not wait for the thyroid to wake back up, fully -- by

> remaining hypo for a while, if that happens? Denis

> claims this strategy does work sometimes... and perhaps it

> would work for you, too ?

>

> If it does work, just watch for the Hashimoto's antibodies,

> in case they start to come back... With the adrenals

> properly supported, maybe Hashimoto's would never reappear.

>

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

>

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So I should ask for a test of IGF 1 & fasting insulin?

Gale

>

> Well your glucoe is great, have you ever had IGF-1 tested? It can be

low

> with stil normal glucose if your pancreas is stil producing enough

> insulin. And high insulin levels DO make it difficult if not impossible

> to lose weight. You could also test fasting insulin levels.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

>

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I suspect pituitary problems. I have always been told by Docs that my

iron is great. I have never needed iron supplements, I worry more

about elevated iron.

Gale

>

> Your low TSH with low thyroid levels indicates one of two things,

either

> low Ferritin or underfunctioning pituitary.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

>

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Pit issues can make adjusting ALl hormones a much harder task as there

can be MANY that are not right. but I think that can be true even if the

pit is not involved.. look at me. I seem to have normal pit function but

haven't found ONE hormone that is normal in my body yet! LOL

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Leisa NO ketosteroids? You would be dead. There has to have been a

mistake or poorly done labs. Your body cannot live ONE minute without

cortisol. Are you certain they were looing for CORTICOSTEROIDS?

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oh whoops the first test06/07 was zero epinephrine range 2-24

the second test 7/07 was ketosteroids 5.3 range 6.0-15.0

Subject: Re: Re:Trying to stop CytomelTo: RT3_T3 Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 7:38 AM

Leisa NO ketosteroids? You would be dead. There has to have been a mistake or poorly done labs. Your body cannot live ONE minute without cortisol. Are you certain they were looing for CORTICOSTEROIDS?-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/------------------------------------

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also, every night at 6 pm I feel I need to drink wine...i think its because my cortisol is low.

Subject: Re: Re:Trying to stop CytomelTo: RT3_T3 Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 7:38 AM

Leisa NO ketosteroids? You would be dead. There has to have been a mistake or poorly done labs. Your body cannot live ONE minute without cortisol. Are you certain they were looing for CORTICOSTEROIDS?-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/------------------------------------

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also val im starting the t3 today..I have to drink coffee am...should i wait to take the compounded(not time released) t3 untill 9;30am ..after coffee,with water?

Subject: Re: Re:Trying to stop CytomelTo: RT3_T3 Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 7:38 AM

Leisa NO ketosteroids? You would be dead. There has to have been a mistake or poorly done labs. Your body cannot live ONE minute without cortisol. Are you certain they were looing for CORTICOSTEROIDS?-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/------------------------------------

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on the ketosteroid test..the cortisol level was good, but the ketostroidswas low..whats the difference?

Subject: Re: Re:Trying to stop CytomelTo: RT3_T3 Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 7:38 AM

Leisa NO ketosteroids? You would be dead. There has to have been a mistake or poorly done labs. Your body cannot live ONE minute without cortisol. Are you certain they were looing for CORTICOSTEROIDS?-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/------------------------------------

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Ketosteroids are weak androgens. Possibly made ofrm DHEA and estrogne

and testosterone. Cortil is a corticosteroid and essential to life

though we can live wihtout the androgens life would not be good.

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i have read that coffee impairs absorbtion...on the thyroid about site..unless you do sublingual.I wont be able to

Subject: Re: Re:Trying to stop CytomelTo: RT3_T3 Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 8:37 AM

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--- At 04:16 AM 1/9/2009, Gale wrote:

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>I suspect pituitary problems. I have always been told by Docs that my iron is

great. I have never needed iron supplements, I worry more about elevated iron.

Were you tested yet, for hypo-pituitary, to explain

the low cortisol -- using an ACTH stim test?

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