Guest guest Posted November 4, 2000 Report Share Posted November 4, 2000 Sam the Lion wrote: << I see a lot of talk and publication about how we should provide old folks with medication free. as an example they showed a couple that was obese, she had heart trouble, he diabetes and their yearly drug bill was $6,800, To me this was a case of needing diet and exercise far more than expensive medication. I wonder if we can ever face facts. >> Sam, your posts are wise. Our medical system disseminates unquestioning belief in the Almighty Pill. We can do so much to improve our health and sense of wellbeing by eating naturally, exercising as much as we are able to, and being hopeful about our own future prospects. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2000 Report Share Posted November 4, 2000 Teri wrote: << I exercise at least 30 minutes at least five days a week and eat properly yet I still need to lose quite a bit of weight that appears NOT to be inclined to go anywhere. >> I still have old weight & measurement records from 20-30 years ago, and I see that my waist is actually 4 " larger, proportionally, than it was when I was younger. It's that dang " insulin-resistance fat. " I have wondered whether there is a surgical approach to the problem. Could liposuction or a tummy tuck help us? I have to wear leggings because my hips are one size and my waist is two sizes larger. If I buy jeans to fit my waist, they balloon around my hips. They make jeans for women with big butts, but none for women with thick, diabetic waists ... [ I sometimes would like to grab a big knife and just saw off those two handfuls of " diabetes fat " from around my navel. What's the deal with that? How come we can't lose it, no matter what? I'm seriously thinking of either going ketogenic, or consulting a cosmetic surgeon. But I'm a-scared (as my kid sister used to say) that if I tell him/her I'm diabetic, they won't touch me. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2000 Report Share Posted November 4, 2000 Sam wrote: << Sam, your problem is? That's a perfectly balanced meal. My caloric intake for the day was within my allotment of 1,500. I use exchanges and had planned them accordingly to have that evening me. You know what? I'm going to be very blunt here. This post makes you an ass. >> Hmmmm ... I must have missed something ... gues my bwain is on vacation, along with the body. I saw Sam's list of foods and thought, " salad's okay ... berries okay ... big prob with the spaghetti and garlic bread. " But then again, my pancreas is headed for the junk heap. Each of us is in a different spot, diabetes-wise. If I ate spaghetti and garlic bread, I'd be up for hours with a pounding heart and high bg's. When our only diabetes treatment is diet and we mess up, there's no alternative. As an aside, Rob got turned on to berries this trip. I like to keep them frozen and whack off a bunch and top off with Half & Half. It turns into a sort of " berry slush " ... yummy! Rob likes to nuke the berries in the microwave a short time, then add the " arf and arf. " Lemmesee ... the berries are blueberries, n blackberries, and dingleberries! Nonononono ... last one is raspberries. Susie :ox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2000 Report Share Posted November 4, 2000 Uh oh.. Headache alert.. hit the trenches.. Teri wrote: > > Sam, your problem is? That's a perfectly balanced meal. My caloric intake for the day was within my allotment of 1,500. I use exchanges and had planned them accordingly to have that evening me. > > You know what? I'm going to be very blunt here. This post makes you an ass. > > Re: Meds. > > Yesterday evening, we had: > -- salad with lettuce, spinach, shredded cheese, green peppers, > croutons, fat-free ranch dressing > -- spaghetti with meat and mushroom sauce > -- one slice each of toasted garlic bread > -- sliced fresh strawberries > > eGroups Sponsor > > > Public website for Diabetes International: > http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2000 Report Share Posted November 11, 2000 << There must be some medical term for someone in that condition but I cannot find it anywhere >> It is called IGT impaired glucose tolerance. That is what have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2000 Report Share Posted November 11, 2000 > I have also heard the term type 1 1/2 > used loosely to describe diabetics that > are nearly type 1, IDDM, but still have > some self generated insulin. Well, Sam, " nearly diabetic " might do instead of " half diabetic " , I suppose but whichever way you look at it, there has to be some term to describe the situation. Just because the diagnosis is still based on hyperglycemia and because plasma glucose concentrations are distributed over a continuum there have to be arbitrary limits set and agreed upon. So if a patient fulfils the criteria, he or she is diabetic, while a patient that does not fulfil the criteria is simply not diabetic. So since the criteria are: 1. Symptoms of diabetes plus casual plasma glucose concentration of 200 mg/dl or more, OR 2. FPG of 126 mg/dl or more (fasting = zero caloric intake for at least 8 hours), OR 3. 2 hr PG of 200 mg/dl during an OGTT. if no unequivocal hyperglycemia is present then the test has to be confirmed by a repeat test on a different day. The symptoms of diabetes in criterion 1 being: polyuria, polydipsia and unexplained weight loss. So if somebody is tested casually in the middle of the morning and shows 195 mg/dl and claims to have none of the symptoms and then comes in the next day after 14 hours fasting and shows an FPG of 125 mg/dl then that person is not diabetic, right? (the OGTT is now no longer recommended for routine clinical use). There must be some medical term for someone in that condition but I cannot find it anywhere. It seems to me that " half a diabetic " is a possible lay description, I don't understand what people have against it. There are also the people who have symptoms of diabetes, including hyperglycemia, after exposure to certain medicaments or chemicals who revert to normoglycemia when that exposure is discontinued for some time. They are no longer diabetic but are presumably predisposed to diabetes so they could probably be usefully called half diabetic, too, I would imagine, why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2000 Report Share Posted November 12, 2000 What is a mainstream diabetic? D.J. Re: Meds. > Yes, but you said it was dangerous to warn people off breakfast cereals, > is it really dangerous? Or do you just disagree? To say something is > dangerous it must be, not just something you disagree with. I still hold > that you are not a mainstream diabetic, and your advice to them is most > likely wrong and dangerous. Sam > > > > Public website for Diabetes International: > http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2000 Report Share Posted November 13, 2000 Heh. When I was informed, I was in the emergency room at 12am in the morning, and the nurse walked in--not a doctor--and said, " Congratulations, you have a disease. " *sings softly " Break it to me gently....gimme time oh gimme a little time.... " Mimi Mimi Dionne [Diabetes] may have robbed me of that blissful ignorance that once led me to believe that tomorrow stretched forever. In exchange I've been granted the wisdom to see each today as something special, a gift to be used wisely and fully. Nothing can take that away. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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