Re: 3D Mapping Biopsy - Focal Cyroablation Procedure

[Guest guest]

The treatment is still considered experimental. There was a previous post that the clinic that Mike Landess was using does not take medicare assignment.

Louis. . .

3D Mapping Biopsy - Focal Cyroablation Procedure

Within the last week, there have been a couple of postings regarding Mike Landess (TV-7 anchor) experience with 3D Mapping Biopsy and the associated cyroblation procedure for treatment. Is anyone aware of where this treatment is performed other then Denver or New Orleans. Any other opinions on this treatment option.

[Guest guest]

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You haven't yet received much in replies to your

question so I'll add a little.

New Orleans seems to still be in somewhat of a

shamble. The leading prostate doc left and is now in

the Boston area (Dr. Sartor). I don't know who in

NOLA may be doing saturation biopsy with 3D and cryo

treatment.

In Florida there is Dr. Onik who does saturation

biopsy and cryo. He does not accept insurance and

assignment. Seems like his fee may be $12,000. He

may be located somewhere in the Orlando area. There

are probably more docs who do saturation and 3D

mapping, but I don't ahve that information. Dr.

Scionti in Hilton Head, SC mentioned

saturation to me one time, but I do not know if he has

started using that. He does cryo treatment.

There are very good docs who do color doppler

ultrasound to locate PC in the prostate gland and some

then take prostate tissue samples and do biopsy.

These docs include Dr. Duke Bahn (Los Angeles area),

Dr. Fred Lee (Detroit area), and others.

Wish I could supply more information, but the above

may be a start for you.

I look forward to read further responses you receive.

Ted Meredith

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> Within the last week, there have been a couple of

> postings regarding

> Mike Landess (TV-7 anchor) experience with 3D

> Mapping Biopsy and the

> associated cyroblation procedure for treatment. Is

> anyone aware of

> where this treatment is performed other then Denver

> or New Orleans.

> Any other opinions on this treatment option.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

There are an increasing number of centers doing cryoablation starting

to explore the option of focal cryotherapy. The pioneers included

Dr. Onik (Florida) and Dr. Duke Bahn (Ventura California). You

can locate doctors using the Endocare cryoablation equipment in a

give state on Endocare web site at:

http://tinyurl.com/2hb2a3

Endocare might be able to provide a list of focal cryo practitioners.

However, not all cryablation practitioners perform focal cryo, and

not all of those that do use the saturation biopsy approach. For

example, Dr. Bahn uses color Doppler ultrasound to guide targeted

biopsies to assess whether or not focal cryo is appropriate.

Also, there is the usual problem in seeking prostate treatment of

assuring yourself that whomever you chose for a particular treatment

has suffcient experience and skills to do it well. The two with the

longest track records are Onik (doesn't take insurance) and Bahn

(does).

In addition to the group at the Univ. of Colorado, other published

practitioners that I'm aware of include:

Drs. J.C. Rewcastle and B.J. Donnelly, Univ. Calgary Alberta

Dr. A.E. Katz,Columbia Univ. NY

Dr. L.L. Pisters, MD , Houston TX

Dr. J.S. , Cleveland Clinic, OH

Perhaps others can chip in with references....

I've emailed directly to you a PDF of recent short article on focal

cyro results collected from 10 practioners (not identified by name).

Sorry folks, no abstract on the web... It's fuzzy do to the source,

but should be readable. Drs. Bahn and Onik both have publications

you could request from their offices.

The Best to You and Yours,

Jon

>

> Within the last week, there have been a couple of postings

regarding

> Mike Landess (TV-7 anchor) experience with 3D Mapping Biopsy and

the

> associated cyroblation procedure for treatment. Is anyone aware of

> where this treatment is performed other then Denver or New

Orleans.

> Any other opinions on this treatment option.

>

[Guest guest]

, As Jon said, Dr. Onik does mapping biopsy.

Celebration, FL, just south of Orlando. His spcialty is

cryotherapy. He accepts no insuraqnce, and his consult fee (2006)

was $500.00, and the mapping biopsy was around $1500.00 if memory

serves. The total cost for consult, biopssdy and cryo back then for

me, if I had chosen to proceed was about $9,500.00. I do not know if

that has changed. See:

Better Prostate Cancer Detection: Healthy For Life from the ...Dr.

Onik Florida Hospital at Celebration 400 Celebration Place Suite

A-280 Celebration, FL 34747

www.hopeforprostatecancer.com

Fuller (Still travelling---)

> >

> > Within the last week, there have been a couple of postings

> regarding

> > Mike Landess (TV-7 anchor) experience with 3D Mapping Biopsy and

> the

> > associated cyroblation procedure for treatment. Is anyone aware

of

> > where this treatment is performed other then Denver or New

> Orleans.

> > Any other opinions on this treatment option.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Insurance Co's won't pay for his urological services,

because he is not a Urologist MD, rather he is a

Radiation Oncologist MD. That is what his nurse told me.

Sounds like a patient might be hardput to submit

a insurance claim themselves. Medicare dropped him

from their urologist's list she said.

He's supposedly a cryotherapy specialist expert, just a mite

expensive.

Fred

FL

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> > > Within the last week, there have been a couple of postings

> > regarding

> > > Mike Landess (TV-7 anchor) experience with 3D Mapping Biopsy

and

> > the

> > > associated cyroblation procedure for treatment. Is anyone

aware

> of

> > > where this treatment is performed other then Denver or New

> > Orleans.

> > > Any other opinions on this treatment option.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Anyone that is considering cryoablation focal or not, should at least

investigate and consider proton beam therapy as an alternative.

Medicare and most insurance (except HMO's) will pay and the side

effects are minimal, with results at least as good as cryo.

No " mapping " biopsy needed (I envision a prostate gland that ends up

looking like a swiss cheese!)

Fuller

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> Within the last week, there have been a couple of postings regarding

> Mike Landess (TV-7 anchor) experience with 3D Mapping Biopsy and the

> associated cyroblation procedure for treatment. Is anyone aware of

> where this treatment is performed other then Denver or New Orleans.

> Any other opinions on this treatment option.

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Within the last week, there have been a couple of postings

regarding

> > Mike Landess (TV-7 anchor) experience with 3D Mapping Biopsy and

the

> > associated cyroblation procedure for treatment. Is anyone aware

of

> > where this treatment is performed other then Denver or New

Orleans.

> > Any other opinions on this treatment option.

> >

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