Re: 42 hours down - OT

December 30, 2001

In a message dated 12/30/01 11:01:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,

vhunnius@... writes:

> You know you're not used to time on your own when, 6 hours before the return

> of your family, you find yourself checking your email every 32

> seconds...and, although you are an atheist, you are glued to " God TV " .

>

> I'm bored. I don't want them to come back, but I'm bored!!!!!!!

>

> Motherhood warps you. :-(

>

> Jacquie

>

Maybe you're not as atheist as you think?

Ron

December 30, 2001

In a message dated 12/30/01 7:21:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

vhunnius@... writes:

> I certainly am. I am just intensely interested in the beliefs of other

> people. If I'd had the attention span to go to university instead of

> college, I would have studied theology. My interest is THAT intense. But

> I've been atheist since as long as I can remember; try as I might through

> the years to have some faith, when I look deep deep inside I believe the

> universe is utterly random and all that will happen to me when I die is

> that I'll get et by the worms. THAT'S why I'm so fascinated by the faiths

> of others...it's utterly incomprehensible to me, and admirable. I have

> great respect for people who have faith.

>

> Jacquie

>

I also find it intriguing....though I'm not a practicing Catholic, or

anything anymore, I still pray.

I find revelations absolutely fascinating....

On the other side of you, I feel if I didn't have faith, there would be

nothing to live for....all this would be for naught...I just can't believe

that.

I have tremendous respect for any belief...regardless.....my frame of mind

is, whatever works....

This past year, I read the entire " Left Behind " series...though sophmoric in

literature, the theme and plot kept me going.

Ron

December 30, 2001

Please do not view what you see on these " Christian

channels " as the last word in Christian faith.

Personally, they disgust me by spewing intolerance

of other cultures and faiths by trying to convert the

world. They just have the biggest mouths.

Pat on. Jerry Falwall.

And that's all I am going to say about that.

Sorry if I stepped over the line, Jacquie.

Barb

December 30, 2001

> Maybe you're not as atheist as you think?

>

> Ron

I certainly am. I am just intensely interested in the beliefs of other people.

If I'd had the attention span to go to university instead of college, I would

have studied theology. My interest is THAT intense. But I've been atheist

since as long as I can remember; try as I might through the years to have some

faith, when I look deep deep inside I believe the universe is utterly random and

all that will happen to me when I die is that I'll get et by the worms. THAT'S

why I'm so fascinated by the faiths of others...it's utterly incomprehensible to

me, and admirable. I have great respect for people who have faith.

Jacquie

December 30, 2001

---Motherhood warps you. :-(

Jacquie----

It sure does.

:-(

Penny

December 30, 2001

>>> If I'd had the attention span to go to university instead of college, I

would have studied theology.<<<<

OK trivia queen...what would be the difference between university and

college?

Penny - who went to college.

December 30, 2001

I'll trade places with you!!

Kerri

42 hours down - OT

You know you're not used to time on your own when, 6 hours before the return

of your family, you find yourself checking your email every 32 seconds...and,

although you are an atheist, you are glued to " God TV " .

I'm bored. I don't want them to come back, but I'm bored!!!!!!!

Motherhood warps you. :-(

Jacquie

December 31, 2001

I believe there is a huge difference between spirituality (part of you you

are) and religion. If there were only one " true " religion then millions of

other people would be wrong. That makes no sense to me. So I believe all

are the same God.

My husband is an atheists and I can't tell you how sad and hurt I am about

that. He had a stroke the end of June and while he was in the emergency room

I thought for sure he would die. I held his hand and begged him to pray with

me but he wouldn't. So I guess he's going to hell.

December 31, 2001

>>> So I guess he's going to hell.

<<<<

Nah. He's not going to hell, ....We should know, most of us live in a

version of hell everyday. ;-)

Penny

December 31, 2001

> OK trivia queen...what would be the difference between university and

> college?

>

> Penny - who went to college.

Forgive me if another Canadian has answered this; I'm replying as soon as I got

it.

In Ontario, post-secondary education is 2-tiered. University is generally a 3

or 4 year study-based program, after which you gratuate with a BA or BS or

whatever, after which you can go on to take your masters and then your phd.

Doctors, lawyers, theologians, anthropologists, teachers, english majors, civil

engineers, stock brokers, etc go to university. They can't get a job without a

university education. College is a 2 or 3 year practice-based program that

includes a lot of lab time, co-op work (unpaid experience in your field of

study), etc. Nurses, cops, journalists, social workers, marketing and

advertising people, stationary engineers, etc go to college.

University and college are where they first separate the blue from the white

collar workers.

Jacquie

December 31, 2001

> I thought for sure he would die. I held his hand and begged him to pray with

> me but he wouldn't. So I guess he's going to hell.

>

I'm sorry, , but that made me laugh. We atheists don't get the going to

hell part... My best friend is forever telling me that I'm going to hell but

she loves me anyway...

I'm also sorry that your dh's beliefs hurt you. We certainly don't mean to be

hurtful.

(((hugs)))

Jacquie

December 31, 2001

In the US a college only grants " undergraduate " degrees - a BA or BS

while a university would also grant graduate degrees - Masters and

Phds. So, Universities also have colleges. For example, I went to

Mercer University where I got a BA in History in the College of

Liberal Arts. Then I stayed there and got a Masters in Education at

the School of Education, also part of the University. Some of my

friends went to Georgia College for their undergraduate degree and

then transfered to the University for their masters. I don't believe

there are that many independent colleges anymore - most are part of a

University setting. So it is really very confusing--if you say you

went to college it should mean you have an undergraduate degree and

if you say University it should mean you have a graduate degree; but

most people go to a univeristy where they get a BA or BS from one of

the colleges in the university and they will often just say I went to

Mercer University and you won't know.

I hope this helps!

Stacey

>

> > OK trivia queen...what would be the difference between university

and

> > college?

> >

> > Penny - who went to college.

>

> Forgive me if another Canadian has answered this; I'm replying as

soon as I got it.

>

> In Ontario, post-secondary education is 2-tiered. University is

generally a 3 or 4 year study-based program, after which you gratuate

with a BA or BS or whatever, after which you can go on to take your

masters and then your phd. Doctors, lawyers, theologians,

anthropologists, teachers, english majors, civil engineers, stock

brokers, etc go to university. They can't get a job without a

university education. College is a 2 or 3 year practice-based

program that includes a lot of lab time, co-op work (unpaid

experience in your field of study), etc. Nurses, cops, journalists,

social workers, marketing and advertising people, stationary

engineers, etc go to college.

>

> University and college are where they first separate the blue from

the white collar workers.

>

> Jacquie

December 31, 2001

>

> > OK trivia queen...what would be the difference between university and

> > college?

> >

> > Penny - who went to college.

But in this country we tend to use the terms interchangeably.

Salli

December 31, 2001

In the States, I

> think you call all them all college.

Technically as Stacey pointed out there is a distinction but it is pretty

much meaningless.

Salli

December 31, 2001

oh...so I guess I know what that makes me.

;-)

Penny

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University and college are where they first separate the blue from the white

collar workers.

Jacquie

-------

December 31, 2001

>

> Nah. He's not going to hell, ....We should know, most of us live in

a

> version of hell everyday. ;-)

The nice part of Catholicism is that we can always count hell on earth as

years off in purgatory.

Of course, Protestants don't have to worry about purgatory in the first

place.

And neither do atheists.

, I wouldn't assume anything. If your husband is a good man, who

knows? I do not believe that God damns good men and God can do whatever he

wants anyway. Faith is supposed to be a gift from God; it seems a mite

unfair to refuse to give someone the gift of faith and then to damn that

person for not having any. I do not believe in THAT kind of God. Perhaps

God would value all the more those who live good lives without benefit of

faith?

At any rate, it's not worth second-guessing Him.

Salli

December 31, 2001

> oh...so I guess I know what that makes me.

>

> ;-)

> Penny

not in the States, dopey!!!!

December 31, 2001

While said Jacquie. I just read the post myself and I thought I would want to

see if you would answer it. Which I know you would cause you know the

difference.

Lori

Re: 42 hours down - OT

> OK trivia queen...what would be the difference between university and

> college?

>

> Penny - who went to college.

Forgive me if another Canadian has answered this; I'm replying as soon as I

got it.