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Another question for everyone. So, how do they "doctors" determine

that it is ALS instead of PLS? I am confused. I know through this

group that PLS can progress in varying degrees, and also affect all

of us in many different ways. I also know thru my neuro that PLS is

diagnosed by eliminating most other motor neuron diseases. So,

does something show up on a test when it is ALS?

Thanks

Laurel

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Hi everyone,

Some of you know me from so kindly participating in our research studies

here at Northwestern, and some of you I haven't met. I'm the nurse

with the Neuromuscular Disorders Program out here.

The main difference between ALS and PLS is that PLS is a disorder that

affects the upper motor neurons, or those nerve cells that do between the

area called the motor cortex in the brain down to either the brainstem or

spinal cord. Upper motor neurons are the first of the nerves

required for us to execute what are known as voluntary movements, such as

chewing, swallowing, walking, reaching, etc.

ALS affects the upper motor neurons, but it also affects the lower motor

neurons, which are the ones that go out from either the brainstem or the

spinal cord to give the final set of directions to the muscle that it

should work now. EMG and nerve conduction studies can demonstrate

problems in either or both types of neuron. There are some pretty

tight criteria that must be met (called el Escorial criteria) before a

person can be said to have ALS. They include EMG evidence of damage

to both upper and lower motor neurons and a history of progression of the

symptoms. There also has to be an ABSENCE of EMG evidence that some

other disorder could account for these symptoms and test results, and a

similar absence of evidence in neuroimaging studies (CT, MRI).

There are differences in symptoms people experience according to whether

the upper or lower motor neurons are affected. Upper motor neuron

problems cause weakness, spasticity, and hyperactive reflexes (too much

response when tapped with the little hammer). These are the

symptoms you all know only too well. When there is lower motor

neuron damage, people do have weakness, but they also have wasting

(atrophy is the 50 cent word), twitching (fasciculation is the fancy word

here), and either markedly reduced or absent reflexes when tapped with

the hammer.

Hope this makes things clearer. If not, let me know, and I'll try

again.

Nailah

At 08:40 AM 09/21/2000 -0700, you wrote:

Laurel

My doctor told me

ALS is confirmed by detoriateing EMG results

out 4 emges I have had 3 considered abnormal and one cosidered

within

normal range.However the one considered normal was not the same as

technicians point of veiw so who knows in my case things are still

undecided and I hang in limbo with dx of probable motor meuron

disease

possile PLS/ALS

Jerry

Laurel Aasland wrote:

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[eGroups] My Groups | PLS-FRIENDS Main Page | Start a new

group!

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> Another question for everyone. So, how do they

" doctors "

> determinethat it is ALS instead of PLS? I am confused. I

know

> through thisgroup that PLS can progress in varying degrees, and

also

> affect allof us in many different ways. I also know thru my

neuro

> that PLS isdiagnosed by eliminating most other motor neuron

diseases.

> So,does something show up on a test when it is ALS?ThanksLaurel

>

>

>

Laurel

My doctor told me

ALS is confirmed by detoriateing EMG results out 4 emges I have had 3

considered abnormal and one cosidered within normal range.However the one

considered normal was not the same as technicians point of veiw so who

knows in my case things are still undecided and I hang in limbo with dx

of probable motor meuron disease possile PLS/ALS

Jerry

Laurel Aasland wrote:

Another question for everyone. So, how do they

" doctors " determinethat it is ALS instead of PLS? I am

confused. I know through thisgroup that PLS can progress in varying

degrees, and also affect allof us in many different ways. I also

know thru my neuro that PLS isdiagnosed by eliminating most other motor

neuron diseases. So,does something show up on a test when it is

ALS?ThanksLaurel

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Laurel

My doctor told

me ALS is confirmed by detoriateing EMG results out 4 emges I have had

3 considered abnormal and one cosidered within normal range.However the

one considered normal was not the same as technicians point of veiw so

who knows in my case things are still undecided and I hang in limbo with

dx of probable motor meuron disease possile PLS/ALS

Jerry

Laurel Aasland wrote:

Another question for

everyone. So, how do they "doctors" determinethat

it is ALS instead of PLS? I am confused. I know through thisgroup

that PLS can progress in varying degrees, and also affect allof

us in many different ways. I also know thru my neuro that PLS isdiagnosed

by eliminating most other motor neuron diseases. So,does

something show up on a test when it is ALS?ThanksLaurel

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Nailah,

Thanks so much for that very clear descriptions of the difference between ALS/PLS. Could I copy it and use it on the PLS Awareness website? I think it is the best (easiest to understand) description I've seen.

Also, my mom and I sent our bloodwork in on Tuesday. You should have rec'd it yesterday, but the family history was not included, I'll send it on this week. With all the new people online, would you want to send us an update on what your study is all about? I have a page on the PLS Awareness site that anyone can go to and I think still has info on the PLS Website, but for new people they might not have gotten that far. ,

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Nailah,

Thanks so much for that very clear descriptions of the difference between ALS/PLS. Could I copy it and use it on the PLS Awareness website? I think it is the best (easiest to understand) description I've seen.

Also, my mom and I sent our bloodwork in on Tuesday. You should have rec'd it yesterday, but the family history was not included, I'll send it on this week. With all the new people online, would you want to send us an update on what your study is all about? I have a page on the PLS Awareness site that anyone can go to and I think still has info on the PLS Website, but for new people they might not have gotten that far. ,

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Thank you so much for taking the time to elaborate on the differences.

This disease is such a mystery, and we don't understand everything there

is to understand. I think that applies to the medical profession also,

God knows they try. Thanks again!

Rita DiClemente

Hollis, NH

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Some people succeed in spite of their handicap. Others succeed because

of them.

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Laurel,

I think we have all come to accept that so many doctors are

unfamiliar with PLS but I don't think any of us can accept

their lack of chairside manner. In 1997 my first diagnosis was ALS.

This came from a neuro at Loyola University Hospital. He came to

this diagnosis from the results of a muscle biopsy. Luckily he

sent me to North Western University Hosp.where I like say, I got

a reprieve. Three years later I am still holding on to the PLS

diagnosis. (I have had speech and swallowing problems since 97

and will have my first botox treatment Oct. 2nd.)

Let's pray for a reprieve for ...

> Laurel Aasland wrote:

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> >

> >

>

> [eGroups] My Groups | PLS-FRIENDS Main Page | Start a new

> group!

> >

> > Another question for everyone. So, how do they " doctors "

> > determinethat it is ALS instead of PLS? I am confused. I know

> > through thisgroup that PLS can progress in varying degrees, and

also

> > affect allof us in many different ways. I also know thru my neuro

> > that PLS isdiagnosed by eliminating most other motor neuron

diseases.

> > So,does something show up on a test when it is ALS?ThanksLaurel

> >

> >

> >

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I'm glad it was clear, and you're welcome to it. The only thing I

didn't really get into is how separate or not separate the 2 disorders

are, which as you know is about as clear as mud. (which is why I didn't

)

If you give me a couple days (to finish up some of my endless list making

--providing the bench researchers with various types of samples that they

want) I will tally up what we've got in terms of PLS samples and let you

know. Probably the most exciting thing though is not how many we

have, but rather this new technology that lets us screen lots of samples

for mutations in candidate genes is going to allow us to put all our PLS

samples in, too. So we may get something that way.

Talk to you more in a day or 2. You should have gotten another note

in the meantime saying we did get your samples.

Thanks for all your hard work!

Nailah

At 12:28 PM 09/21/2000 -0700, you wrote:

My

Groups |

PLS-FRIENDS Main

Page |

Start

a new group!

Nailah,

Thanks so much for that very clear descriptions of the difference between

ALS/PLS. Could I copy it and use it on the PLS Awareness

website? I think it is the best (easiest to understand) description

I've seen.

Also, my mom and I sent our bloodwork in on Tuesday. You

should have rec'd it yesterday, but the family history was not included,

I'll send it on this week. With all the new people online, would

you want to send us an update on what your study is all about? I

have a page on the PLS Awareness site that anyone can go to and I think

still has info on the PLS Website, but for new people they might

not have gotten that far.

,

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