Re: autism movie- I am Sam

[Guest guest]

He's autistic?

That's odd... cause I saw an interview of him, and the reviewer called him

retarded and she was never corrected... stupid TV people.

Kerri

autism movie- " I am Sam "

I just saw a movie review from another list about the Penn

movie, which I thought was about a retarded man. It turns out that he

is autistic. The review was pretty positive. Penn usually plays

such obnoxious characters, that it might be worth it just to see how

he pulls it off. The character in this one, I guess is less the

sterotype, has a dtr and a job (starbucks-its a job). I wonder if

anyone heard about this. It might be worth checking out.

Thea

[Guest guest]

> He's autistic?

> That's odd... cause I saw an interview of him, and the reviewer called him

retarded and she was never corrected... stupid TV people.

There seems to be some disagreement on the various lists that I belong to as

to the dx. I have no idea...

Salli

[Guest guest]

I bet the producers all consider anything less than " perfect " to be retarded

anyway...

The last review I read of it said he was " intellectually " like a 7 year old....

who knows...

Kerri

Re: autism movie- " I am Sam "

> He's autistic?

> That's odd... cause I saw an interview of him, and the reviewer called him

retarded and she was never corrected... stupid TV people.

There seems to be some disagreement on the various lists that I belong to as

to the dx. I have no idea...

Salli

[Guest guest]

well, i thought i'd be smart and get the " official " answer. so i went to the

movie's site at new line cinemas and it says...mentally-challenged...so, i guess

it's left to the viewer's imagination? :-/

" Help! Jane! Stop this crazy thing! " - Jetson

[Guest guest]

allmovie.com says he is a 'developmentally disabled'

adult. iamsammovie.com says he is 'mentally

challenged'. That could mean anything.

Tuna

>>>>>He's autistic? That's odd... cause I saw an

interview of him, and the reviewer called him

retarded and she was never corrected... stupid TV

people.<<<<<<<<<

>>>>>>>>There seems to be some disagreement on the

various lists that I belong to as to the dx. I have no idea...<<<<<<<<<

=====

" Normal is just a setting on the washing machine. "

Whoopi Goldberg

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[Guest guest]

In the commercial, I saw him ask at a lunch counter for them to separate the

lima beans in a dish -- and I KNEW. And then Pfieffer told him " That's

impossible, " and went on to order about 3 things prepared in a specific way --

and that obvious poking fun at the NT world really appealed to me!

i will see this, probably on video though.

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

Like I said, to the producers, it's all the same.

Kerri

Re: autism movie- " I am Sam "

allmovie.com says he is a 'developmentally disabled'

adult. iamsammovie.com says he is 'mentally

challenged'. That could mean anything.

Tuna

>>>>>He's autistic? That's odd... cause I saw an

interview of him, and the reviewer called him

retarded and she was never corrected... stupid TV

people.<<<<<<<<<

>>>>>>>>There seems to be some disagreement on the

various lists that I belong to as to the dx. I have no idea...<<<<<<<<<

=====

" Normal is just a setting on the washing machine. "

Whoopi Goldberg

______________________________________________________________________

Web-hosting solutions for home and business! http://website.yahoo.ca

[Guest guest]

I thought the character he was playing was supposed to

be schizophrenic?

Mimi

--- bunnytiner wrote:

>

> > He's autistic?

> > That's odd... cause I saw an interview of him, and

> the reviewer called him

> retarded and she was never corrected... stupid TV

> people.

>

> There seems to be some disagreement on the various

> lists that I belong to as

> to the dx. I have no idea...

>

> Salli

>

>

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[Guest guest]

--Jacquie,

I didnt see this scene in the commercial, but, it does sound like the

old familar OCD. In the one review, that stated he was " mentally

challenged " they went on to describe his " compulsive behavior " well

thats more linked to autism than retardation. Maybe I have to just

get to the movie, that was one of my resolutions to go out to movies.

Thea

- In parenting_autism@y..., " The Hunny Family " <vhunnius@l...> wrote:

>

> In the commercial, I saw him ask at a lunch counter for them to

separate the lima beans in a dish -- and I KNEW. And then

Pfieffer told him " That's impossible, " and went on to order about 3

things prepared in a specific way -- and that obvious poking fun at

the NT world really appealed to me!

>

> i will see this, probably on video though.

>

> Jacquie

[Guest guest]

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In parenting_autism@y..., Mimi Holl <mommys2rubies@y...> wrote:

> I thought the character he was playing was supposed to

> be schizophrenic?

>

> Mimi

You may be thinking of " A Beautiful Mind " ( Crowe)

Although, from what I've seen in the previews of " I Am Sam " --autism

did not immediately come to mind. But who knows? Hollywood and

creative license.

Cinnamon

[Guest guest]

An Autistic adult working at Starbucks!!!

I'm there!

Really, I want to see this movie.

Penny :-)

autism movie- " I am Sam "

I just saw a movie review from another list about the Penn

movie, which I thought was about a retarded man. It turns out that he

is autistic. The review was pretty positive. Penn usually plays

such obnoxious characters, that it might be worth it just to see how

he pulls it off. The character in this one, I guess is less the

sterotype, has a dtr and a job (starbucks-its a job). I wonder if

anyone heard about this. It might be worth checking out.

Thea

[Guest guest]

The movie trailer claims he is " mentally-challenged " .

Penny - who's gonna keep digging on this one.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/15/2002 5:12:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

klwally@... writes:

> retarded and she was never corrected... stupid TV people.

Alot of people don't know that retarded doesn't always come with the

diagnoise... what can we do to help people learn about autism?

[Guest guest]

I saw the beautiful mind, and thought that character looked autistic

(aspergers) as well as schizophrenic. They made references to his

childhood as having poor social skills, and being fixated on numbers.

However, no one in the media got his diagnosis confused (even when he

had some traits that were not necessarily ones related to

schizophrenia). They just said he was odd, lacking social skills

prior to the onset of his illness (schizophrenia).

Thea

-- In parenting_autism@y..., " cinnamonspice58 " <cinnamonspice58@y...>

wrote:

> ---

> In parenting_autism@y..., Mimi Holl <mommys2rubies@y...> wrote:

> > I thought the character he was playing was supposed to

> > be schizophrenic?

> >

> > Mimi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> You may be thinking of " A Beautiful Mind " ( Crowe)

> Although, from what I've seen in the previews of " I Am Sam " --autism

> did not immediately come to mind. But who knows? Hollywood and

> creative license.

>

> Cinnamon

[Guest guest]

Haven't seen the movie. I did see the reviews but autism didn't occur to me. I

think the entertainment industries leave it open ended for one good reason... It

gets people talking about the movie and then people go and see it. Clever

marketing...

CHRIS

Re: autism movie- " I am Sam "

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In parenting_autism@y..., Mimi Holl <mommys2rubies@y...> wrote:

> I thought the character he was playing was supposed to

> be schizophrenic?

>

> Mimi

You may be thinking of " A Beautiful Mind " ( Crowe)

Although, from what I've seen in the previews of " I Am Sam " --autism

did not immediately come to mind. But who knows? Hollywood and

creative license.

Cinnamon

[Guest guest]

Prior to the schizophrenia? I hadn't heard about that. I'll have

to wait til video, but I want to see that movie even more now. I

hear Crowe is fantastic. He probably won't get the 2

times running but I've heard people say he deserves it.

Cinnamon

In parenting_autism@y..., " theaghoss " <phillipmom@m...> wrote:

> I saw the beautiful mind, and thought that character looked

autistic

> (aspergers) as well as schizophrenic. They made references to his

> childhood as having poor social skills, and being fixated on

numbers.

> However, no one in the media got his diagnosis confused (even when

he

> had some traits that were not necessarily ones related to

> schizophrenia). They just said he was odd, lacking social skills

> prior to the onset of his illness (schizophrenia).

>

>

> Thea

[Guest guest]

The official website continued on to say he was " obsessive " , why her

obsessive-compulsive qualities were more socially acceptable.

Re: autism movie- " I am Sam "

In the commercial, I saw him ask at a lunch counter for them to separate the

lima beans in a dish -- and I KNEW. And then Pfieffer told him

" That's impossible, " and went on to order about 3 things prepared in a

specific way -- and that obvious poking fun at the NT world really appealed

to me!

i will see this, probably on video though.

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

Hey! That's what *I* heard on TV too!!!!

I have a feeling that whoever made this movie is a bit confused about mental

illnesses and other disorders.

Penny

Re: autism movie- " I am Sam "

I thought the character he was playing was supposed to

be schizophrenic?

Mimi

--- bunnytiner wrote:

>

> > He's autistic?

> > That's odd... cause I saw an interview of him, and

> the reviewer called him

> retarded and she was never corrected... stupid TV

> people.

>

> There seems to be some disagreement on the various

> lists that I belong to as

> to the dx. I have no idea...

>

> Salli

>

>

[Guest guest]

Because OCD has almost been a media darling. " Normal " people have

it. That's almost been the catchphrase. The talk shows have their

guests on, the experts make it clear " perfectly normal " -- " average " --

people from all walks of life have it. Then everybody takes their

free book home. Sorry to sound so cynical. But there was a while

there when OCD was almost " IN " .

Autism, on the other hand scares the hell out of people.

Cinnamon

In parenting_autism@y..., " Penny " <nospam@p...> wrote:

> The official website continued on to say he was " obsessive " , why her

> obsessive-compulsive qualities were more socially acceptable.

>

> Re: autism movie- " I am Sam "

>

>

>

> In the commercial, I saw him ask at a lunch counter for them to

separate the

> lima beans in a dish -- and I KNEW. And then Pfieffer

told him

> " That's impossible, " and went on to order about 3 things prepared

in a

> specific way -- and that obvious poking fun at the NT world really

appealed

> to me!

>

> i will see this, probably on video though.

>

> Jacquie

[Guest guest]

Cinnamon,

I dont think that their was any publically surmisted opionin about

autism, but, i heard from another list,that at some aspergers

conference they thought Nash may have had a theory about him.

The discussion on my ny autism list thought that he look autistic in

the movie, and someone wrote to his website and asked if he thought

he was Aspergers, no response. It was a pretty good movie, and Crowe

did a great job.

Thea

> > I saw the beautiful mind, and thought that character looked

> autistic

> > (aspergers) as well as schizophrenic. They made references to his

> > childhood as having poor social skills, and being fixated on

> numbers.

> > However, no one in the media got his diagnosis confused (even

when

> he

> > had some traits that were not necessarily ones related to

> > schizophrenia). They just said he was odd, lacking social skills

> > prior to the onset of his illness (schizophrenia).

> >

> >

> > Thea

[Guest guest]

Penny,

Probably because as a lawyer one needs to pay attention to small

details, and like Jacquie said, sort of sarcasm about the NT world.

Thea

> The official website continued on to say he was " obsessive " , why her

> obsessive-compulsive qualities were more socially acceptable.

>

> Re: autism movie- " I am Sam "

>

>

>

> In the commercial, I saw him ask at a lunch counter for them to

separate the

> lima beans in a dish -- and I KNEW. And then Pfieffer

told him

> " That's impossible, " and went on to order about 3 things prepared

in a

> specific way -- and that obvious poking fun at the NT world really

appealed

> to me!

>

> i will see this, probably on video though.

>

> Jacquie

[Guest guest]

I think they worded it " mentally challenged " for that very reason.

All of the conditions, including autism, can fall under " challenged. "

This way, there was no ONE group hounding them for how they didn't represent

the condition properly, etc. etc.

I can't say I blame them either.

My cousin saw this, and told me it was about a mentally " retarded " person.

I don't know where she got that impression, but it didn't seem that she

thought it be about autism in any way.

It's probably a blend of all kinds of conditions....

Grace

Re: autism movie- " I am Sam "

> >

> >

> >

> > In the commercial, I saw him ask at a lunch counter for them to

> separate the

> > lima beans in a dish -- and I KNEW. And then Pfieffer

> told him

> > " That's impossible, " and went on to order about 3 things prepared

> in a

> > specific way -- and that obvious poking fun at the NT world really

> appealed

> > to me!

> >

> > i will see this, probably on video though.

> >

> > Jacquie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The discussion on my ny autism list thought that he look autistic in

> the movie, and someone wrote to his website and asked if he thought

> he was Aspergers, no response. It was a pretty good movie, and Crowe

> did a great job.

There are some similarites between autism and schizophrenia; autism used to

be called childhood schizophrenia, after all.

So it might be hard to tell based on social deficits, etc, as those are all

part of the schizophrenia dx too.

Salli

[Guest guest]

Yup, as I've said, they all pretty much consider anything less than perfectly

normal the same disability.

Kerri

Re: autism movie- " I am Sam "

I thought the character he was playing was supposed to

be schizophrenic?

Mimi

--- bunnytiner wrote:

>

> > He's autistic?

> > That's odd... cause I saw an interview of him, and

> the reviewer called him

> retarded and she was never corrected... stupid TV

> people.

>

> There seems to be some disagreement on the various

> lists that I belong to as

> to the dx. I have no idea...

>

> Salli

>

>

[Guest guest]

---Salli,

Childhood schizophrenia is very rare. There was no indication of his

having delusions and hallucinations as a child, that is the hallmark

of schizophrenia. It was noted in the movie, and excerpt from his

book that he was a lonely and isolated child, who was more into

numbers than other children. The social defiects in schizophrenia

usually come much closer to the onset of the positive symptoms(

sometimes it is preceded by schizod personality though). Being that

my brother in law is diagnosed schizophrenic, I can tell you that he

had very good social skills prior to his schiozphrenic episode.He did

have a depressive episode months before and was on meds that led him

to isolate, but, he wasnt like this the first time I met him several

years ago. My mother had a friend who was schizophrenic and she was

pretty socialable when she was not activitly psychotic. At that

time, she's pretty scary. My bil also met a guy in the hospital that

it was extremely difficult to tell what was wrong with him although

he was in the hospital. I was very surprised to see that he was

there, it was unbelievable. I kinda suspected he was using drugs.

But, it is true, that autism used to be called childhood

schizophrenia because there are some of the same features. Im sorry

to ramble on like this, it seems that both autism and schizophrenia

were destined to be a part of my life. Thank goodness my bil is doing

well and working.

Thea

In parenting_autism@y..., " bunnytiner " <bunnytiner@c...> wrote:

> The discussion on my ny autism list thought that he look autistic in

> > the movie, and someone wrote to his website and asked if he

thought

> > he was Aspergers, no response. It was a pretty good movie, and

Crowe

> > did a great job.

>

> There are some similarites between autism and schizophrenia; autism

used to

> be called childhood schizophrenia, after all.

>

> So it might be hard to tell based on social deficits, etc, as those

are all

> part of the schizophrenia dx too.

>

> Salli