Re: Avandia [was: Just call me STUPID !!

[Guest guest]

I thought Avandia shouldn't be taken with insulin for some reason, I don't

remember.

Barb

> Actos and Avandia can be used with other treatments including

> insulin. They can significantly reduce the amount of insulin you

> need because they make your body use insulin more effectively.

[Guest guest]

Actually, I stand corrected...just looked it up and even Avandia's

official web site does NOT recommend it with insulin, while the Actos

official information does. I'm not sure, but I think that if my

vague memory serves me that Avandia with insulin increases the

likelihood of problems with edema, which can ultimately lead to heart

failure.

I'll keep looking and get back to y'all if I find any similar news on

Actos.

Thanks for the quick catch on that. That's what make this a great

list...lots of folks who do their homework.

T

[Guest guest]

ok I am speaking in personal experance, i went off the actos, its simular to

advantia, the reports are to watch for fluid retention and if you already have

congestive heart trouble do not combine or let your doc combine, actos, advantia

with your insulin it will in time 5months for me cause you to start retaining

water, i have not heart trouble, am a healthy 37yr old, so from personal

experance, i would not combine the two meds, jmho, ps, have lost 21 pounds since

july 27th, now i weigh 158lbsglenglenglenglenglenglenglenglenglengleng, 35un,

35un, 35un, 35un, 35un, 35un, 35un, 35unlo-carb,lo-carb,lo-carb,lo -----

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[Guest guest]

As usual, I responded to this question ONLY because the writer was

having significant side effects from low carbing, to show some

potential alternatives.

Technically, there aren't any life-threatening side effects from low

carbing, but nearly everyone who low carbs is a heavy red meat eater;

heavy red meat eating is HIGHLY correlated with osteoporosis AND

several types of cancer, among other things.

Yet over and over people on this list complain about known potential

side effects of various drugs, while totally denying that there can

be anything wrong with low carbing plus insulin.

Yes, people with congestive heart failure should not take Actos or

Avandia. Yes, about 3% of people taking Actos develop edema, but

that goes away as soon as you go off. 97% do not develop edema.

It's a side effect that's easy to notice.

We have no statistics, unfortunately, on what percentage of people do

well on low carbs vs. those who don't.

Again, as I've said before, there are NO easy straighforward answers

to diabetes that work for everyone. All options should be considered

and offered.

T

[Guest guest]

You're correct, Avandia is not recommended (counter-indicated?) to be

used with Insulin due to possible cardiac problems. Actos use with

Insulin is authorized as the manufactor included it's use with insulin in

it's application to the FDA. Thats per my endo.

========= I may not have gotten all the facts, but at approximately

8/29/01 12:53 PM I believe Rainbow Farm is rumored to have said:

>I thought Avandia shouldn't be taken with insulin for some reason, I don't

>remember.

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Maurer - Type II for 12 years, diet, exercise, and meds.

http://homepage.mac.com/maurerw/index.html

(only 45 minutes from Sequoia National Park in Central California)

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[Guest guest]

> ps, have lost 21 pounds since july 27th, now i weigh

WOW! 21 pounds lost in a month? Congrats!!! (and how did you *do* that???)

Sandy