Re: 1 cm stone in gall bladder. Help???

[Guest guest]

Hi, Adrienne:

I think that you did pretty great with explaining. As a matter of fact, you

did a fine job. Just because a person has that " one " stone showing up on

ultra-sound, doesn't really mean much. Like you said, that one stone may not

be the trouble-maker stone. The sludge/sand stuff can cause as many problems

as the stones can. My friend, who is a R.N., says that some people have come

in for surgery with GB attacks, but they've had no stones. When their GBs

are removed, they're full of sand/sludge stuff. The bile backup is what

causes the pain. As long as the bile can flow through like it's supposed to,

then you won't have the pain. Perhaps this is why so many walk around with

GBs full of gallstones but never have a problem. Maybe their bile flow is

still maintained in spite of the stones.

My husband never has every had a GB problem, and I mentioned to him one day

that maybe he ought to do a cleanse. He said that what if he does the

cleanse and it stirs up a problem. Well, I suppose it's possible. It's good

to get this stuff out of us, though. I wish that I had known about this many

years ago, to be honest. I would have been doing the cleanses right and left.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Hi Barry,

Don't panic, you're doing great! Dr. Hulda says you need to pass

about 2000 stones before you're cleansed of them-at least 4 to 5

cleanses, I think Dr. says, and then do them a couple times a

year to maintain. As I understand it, the pain is caused when your

body tries to pass a stone, pressure from the bile backing up behind

the stone (Someone correct me if I'm wrong!). You probably flushed out

the stone that was causing your most recent pain, which is why you got

relief. Many people have gallstones in their gallbladders and remain

unaware that they are there, never having any pain. Theoretically, that

1cm stone in your gallbladder may never cause you any pain. However,

since your body is making gallstones, it will continue to do so, and

your symptoms may return. You may be able to slow the process of

making them or stop it if you make some changes in your diet. Get a

hold of Dr. 's books, and though I haven't read it yet, Dr.

Cabot has a diet that others here recommend. Have you done a parasite

and kidney cleanse? That's supposed to help make the liver/GB cleanse

more successful.

As I understand it, not all stones show up on ultrasounds. You might

have passed some GB stones in your first cleanse. Agnes has posted

that GB stones are multi-faceted, liver stones smoother, irregular

shaped. Look at the pictures posted in the testimonial section and on

the curezone.com website. It will take some time, but read everything

posted on this website...there's a wealth of knowledge there.

I had an ultrasound done before my GB surgery, and only very small

stones and sludge were visible, and a small amount at that. However,

after surgery I continued to have " attacks. " I most likely still had a

stone stuck in the common bile duct-not visible on ultrasound. Post

surgery, I began doing the cleanses and passed a 1.5 cm stone on my

second cleanse. Furthermore, you could have your gallbladder removed

and still continue to have pain, because your liver still makes stones!

I always lie still, on my back for the first 20 min. like Dr.

suggests, and then I sleep which ever way comes naturally. (I no longer

have my gallbladder though, so I can't really speak to sleeping

position for those who still have their GBs.)

Well, I hope I've been helpful.

Adrienne

--- barry91162 <barry91162@...> wrote:

> After 6 months of pain, 2 times per week, I went for an ultrasound

> and found a 1 cm stone in my gb. Three doctors have of course

> suggested removal instead of medication of other treatments. I did

> Dr. Hulda's cleanse which produced around 20-30 stones from my first

> flush. Feeling much better, I went for another ultrasound and found

> the stone still there. I know that the salts and oil flushed my Liver

>

> but what about my gb? My questions are these...

>

> 1. How can I clear the gb which is primarily the cause of pain?

> 2. Is there a way to increase the pressure in the gb to make sure

> those stones come out along with the liver stones?

> 3. I'm lying on my right side instead of my back. Is this wrong?

>

> Please help me to get this gb stone out. I love the result from my

> flush but am I over-reacting too fast? Do I need several more flushes

>

> for the gb to be clear? I thought that the gb was the first to clear

> but maybe I am wrong.

> I will feel much more confortable knowing that the gb stone is gone

> since it was the reason for my pain.

> Has anyone else followed up their flushes with ultrasound checks? And

>

> if they have, can they tell me when, or on which flush, to expect the

>

> gb to be clear?

> I'm afraid that if only the liver clears out that I will still have

> to get an operation to remove the gb stone.

>

> Help please. Anyone?

> Barry

> barry91162@...

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Susie,

Thanks. I too have talked to my husband about him doing a cleanse. He

jokes that every time he eats an Oreo, he's doing a cleanse!(Not!!!)

Well, I almost have him convinced to give it a try...he's been amazed

at how many stones I've passed. My daughter, who is 18, is also

considering doing the cleanse. I already have them on a better diet

....except for the Oreos!

Adrienne ;-)

--- Tishri7@... wrote:

> Hi, Adrienne:

>

> I think that you did pretty great with explaining. As a matter of

> fact, you

> did a fine job. Just because a person has that " one " stone showing

> up on

> ultra-sound, doesn't really mean much. Like you said, that one stone

> may not

> be the trouble-maker stone. The sludge/sand stuff can cause as many

> problems

> as the stones can. My friend, who is a R.N., says that some people

> have come

> in for surgery with GB attacks, but they've had no stones. When

> their GBs

> are removed, they're full of sand/sludge stuff. The bile backup is

> what

> causes the pain. As long as the bile can flow through like it's

> supposed to,

> then you won't have the pain. Perhaps this is why so many walk around

> with

> GBs full of gallstones but never have a problem. Maybe their bile

> flow is

> still maintained in spite of the stones.

>

> My husband never has every had a GB problem, and I mentioned to him

> one day

> that maybe he ought to do a cleanse. He said that what if he does

> the

> cleanse and it stirs up a problem. Well, I suppose it's possible.

> It's good

> to get this stuff out of us, though. I wish that I had known about

> this many

> years ago, to be honest. I would have been doing the cleanses right

> and left.

> Susie

>

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[Guest guest]

Barry, I also have calcified stones (3), the largest 1.3 cm. I had done 15

cleanses trying to get my gallbladder clear. But they stay in there. I think

I moved one of the calcium stones out tho. I believe like Dr. Cabot says

that " diet is the key " . And hopefully that will soften and dissolve the

stones. I haven't done a cleanse since Oct, 2000 and haven't had problems.

1 cm isn't that big. It's just that calcium stones are difficult to move

out. One can try all sorts of things to get it out but diet is very

important. Good luck!

----- Original Message -----

From: " barry91162 " <barry91162@...>

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Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:10 PM

Subject: 1 cm stone in gall bladder. Help???

> After 6 months of pain, 2 times per week, I went for an ultrasound

> and found a 1 cm stone in my gb. Three doctors have of course

> suggested removal instead of medication of other treatments. I did

> Dr. Hulda's cleanse which produced around 20-30 stones from my first

> flush. Feeling much better, I went for another ultrasound and found

> the stone still there. I know that the salts and oil flushed my Liver

> but what about my gb? My questions are these...

>

> 1. How can I clear the gb which is primarily the cause of pain?

> 2. Is there a way to increase the pressure in the gb to make sure

> those stones come out along with the liver stones?

> 3. I'm lying on my right side instead of my back. Is this wrong?

>

> Please help me to get this gb stone out. I love the result from my

> flush but am I over-reacting too fast? Do I need several more flushes

> for the gb to be clear? I thought that the gb was the first to clear

> but maybe I am wrong.

> I will feel much more confortable knowing that the gb stone is gone

> since it was the reason for my pain.

> Has anyone else followed up their flushes with ultrasound checks? And

> if they have, can they tell me when, or on which flush, to expect the

> gb to be clear?

> I'm afraid that if only the liver clears out that I will still have

> to get an operation to remove the gb stone.

>

> Help please. Anyone?

> Barry

> barry91162@...

>

>

>

>

>

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as I perceive from what I've read - it's the calcified stones that

show up. I've done 3 cleanses and only the first cleanse released

stones. I've had an ultra sound and still have stones (although

don't know size).

Diet is important. I had an attack last night after eating chocolate

and having 2 glasses of wine (how will I get through the holiday

season?)

Chang says that the Gold Coin Grass softens and crushes calcium

stones, but I don't know the documentation. But I'm trying it.

Good luck

Suzanne

> Barry, I also have calcified stones (3), the largest 1.3 cm. I had

done 15

> cleanses trying to get my gallbladder clear. But they stay in

there. I think

> I moved one of the calcium stones out tho. I believe like Dr. Cabot

says

> that " diet is the key " . And hopefully that will soften and

dissolve the

> stones. I haven't done a cleanse since Oct, 2000 and haven't had

problems.

> 1 cm isn't that big. It's just that calcium stones are difficult

to move

> out. One can try all sorts of things to get it out but diet is very

> important. Good luck!

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " barry91162 " <barry91162@y...>

> <gallstones@y...>

> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 8:10 PM

> Subject: 1 cm stone in gall bladder. Help???

>

>

> > After 6 months of pain, 2 times per week, I went for an ultrasound

> > and found a 1 cm stone in my gb. Three doctors have of course

> > suggested removal instead of medication of other treatments. I did

> > Dr. Hulda's cleanse which produced around 20-30 stones from my

first

> > flush. Feeling much better, I went for another ultrasound and

found

> > the stone still there. I know that the salts and oil flushed my

Liver

> > but what about my gb? My questions are these...

> >

> > 1. How can I clear the gb which is primarily the cause of pain?

> > 2. Is there a way to increase the pressure in the gb to make sure

> > those stones come out along with the liver stones?

> > 3. I'm lying on my right side instead of my back. Is this wrong?

> >

> > Please help me to get this gb stone out. I love the result from my

> > flush but am I over-reacting too fast? Do I need several more

flushes

> > for the gb to be clear? I thought that the gb was the first to

clear

> > but maybe I am wrong.

> > I will feel much more confortable knowing that the gb stone is

gone

> > since it was the reason for my pain.

> > Has anyone else followed up their flushes with ultrasound checks?

And

> > if they have, can they tell me when, or on which flush, to expect

the

> > gb to be clear?

> > I'm afraid that if only the liver clears out that I will still

have

> > to get an operation to remove the gb stone.

> >

> > Help please. Anyone?

> > Barry

> > barry91162@y...

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Adrienne,

Thank you. You have been very incouraging and helpful. Yes, I did do

the morning fat-free diet just like Dr. Hulda's cleanse suggests. I

think you were maybe right about my flus eliminating a common duct

stone that may have been the pain producer. I will continue to flush

and see what happens. I'm on a fat-free diet now so I am not really

sure if your answer is my solution. I'm afraid to eat something fatty

and test the theory. I love pizza, big macs, etc, and I know I will

try a pizza again soon to see if the attack happens. Even though I

will continue a good diet I would also like to eat some junk food

every once in a while like a normal person again too. haha I heard

that you can still have roughly 25% fatty foods after you are clean

to maintain those fats that are used in the body as well. For now, as

I cleanse, it is no fat.

Someone else has mentioned that calcified stones are harder to pass

than cholestoral stones? I never read this in any cleanse procedures.

By what I've read, the stones will all pass out of the gb the same

way. Softening by diet definitely must help. If I do 4 or 5 more

flushes and the ultrasound is clear, I'm having a dominos pizza to

celebrate. haha Then back to the diet of course. :-)

Thanks again for your info.

Barry.

> > After 6 months of pain, 2 times per week, I went for an

ultrasound

> > and found a 1 cm stone in my gb. Three doctors have of course

> > suggested removal instead of medication of other treatments. I

did

> > Dr. Hulda's cleanse which produced around 20-30 stones from my

first

> > flush. Feeling much better, I went for another ultrasound and

found

> > the stone still there. I know that the salts and oil flushed my

Liver

> >

> > but what about my gb? My questions are these...

> >

> > 1. How can I clear the gb which is primarily the cause of pain?

> > 2. Is there a way to increase the pressure in the gb to make sure

> > those stones come out along with the liver stones?

> > 3. I'm lying on my right side instead of my back. Is this wrong?

> >

> > Please help me to get this gb stone out. I love the result from

my

> > flush but am I over-reacting too fast? Do I need several more

flushes

> >

> > for the gb to be clear? I thought that the gb was the first to

clear

> > but maybe I am wrong.

> > I will feel much more confortable knowing that the gb stone is

gone

> > since it was the reason for my pain.

> > Has anyone else followed up their flushes with ultrasound checks?

And

> >

> > if they have, can they tell me when, or on which flush, to expect

the

> >

> > gb to be clear?

> > I'm afraid that if only the liver clears out that I will still

have

> > to get an operation to remove the gb stone.

> >

> > Help please. Anyone?

> > Barry

> > barry91162@y...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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