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Hi Sheila,

where do you get the low carb wheat tortillas?

Patsy

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Hi, Joanne. Welcome to our group. Joining us is a

good beginning, IMO. I was diagnosed, about twenty

months ago. My dr. referred me to a 4 class series,

of diabetic education. I learned a lot from that.

But, I have learned even more about this disease, and

how to eat properly, to get low blood sugar readings.

You might try reading the archives. There is a lot of

good info in the past email posts to this list. This

group has many members, too, who advocate reading the

book by Dr. Berstein on diabetes. Some of us follow a

low carb way of eating. (WOE) Some of us follow a

moderate carb intake. Others on the list have found

what works for them, by doing other things.

IMO, the main thing for each of us to do, is eat, and

then test our bs readings. You will soon find what

works best for you. Some of us can tolerate fruit,

some can't. The same is true of other foods. Each of

our bodies seems to react in a different way. By

testing before you eat, then one hour, and again, 2

hours after eating, you will learn what is safe for

you and what is not.

I, too, love sweets. Chocolate is my downfall.

Sometimes I give in and eat a small amount of candy,

but not often. I like the way I feel when I am

limiting my carbs and my sweets. I have found certain

foods I love, that are low carb, by reading this list,

and doing some exploring on my own.

For me, breakfast was the most difficult meal to

change. I was conditioned and habituated to cereals,

toast, muffins, and other high carb foods. Here, I

learned about low carb, wheat tortillas. I take two

of them for breakfast, fill with either avocado and

bacon, or with deli ham and cream cheese. Adding

celery, and/or olives, and diet soda, I am a happy

camper. Other days I use eggs and bacon. Yummy!

I am still learning. I look forward to getting to

know you. Keep posting.

Sheila {:-D

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> I only have 1 cat, he's the boss here! But I have 4 dogs, 3 Poms and a

Lab

> mix. Most my family is in Seattle, I was there for many years. In a week

and

> a half I am going to Ocean Shores with my husband and my daughter and

> grandson from Seattle will be there too!

Hi ,

We'll wave to you as you drive on by to Ocean Shores.

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Hi! My name is and my husband is Diabetic. He was diagnosed with

type 1 at the age of 29. Our big problem is he had Diabetes for so long,

and we did not know about it. It does not run in his family, (its gotta

start somewhere!) but he had it long enough that he has Neuropathies

(sp) in his legs! He is now 35, and he has ALOT of leg pain. I am always

rubbing his legs and feet to help him. He has been given Tylenol #3 with

codeine for pain, and does not like to take them. He has heard of people

getting prescriptions a Hot Tub for health related condtitions, has any

one on the list gotten one for diabetes? (I am not joking!) When he has

been in a hot tub he feels SO much better. We live in a Mobile home, and

we have bought a whirlpool for a bathtub, but he is not able to to

strech out enough to relax, and really soothe his legs. Any other ideas

people have for me to help him, please let me know! I hate to see him

suffer like this!

Thanks!!

:)

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I would think that a person suffering from Neuropathy should avoid hot tubs.

It's highly unusual for someone w/Type 1 to go undiagnosed long enough to

suffer complications of this type... except maybe death. What is the

honeymoon?

Rita

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stress...

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Hi! My name is and my husband is Diabetic. He was diagnosed with

type 1 at the age of 29. Our big problem is he had Diabetes for so long,

and we did not know about it. It does not run in his family, (its gotta

start somewhere!) but he had it long enough that he has Neuropathies

(sp) in his legs! He is now 35, and he has ALOT of leg pain. I am always

rubbing his legs and feet to help him. He has been given Tylenol #3 with

codeine for pain, and does not like to take them. He has heard of people

getting prescriptions a Hot Tub for health related condtitions, has any

one on the list gotten one for diabetes? (I am not joking!) When he has

been in a hot tub he feels SO much better. We live in a Mobile home, and

we have bought a whirlpool for a bathtub, but he is not able to to

strech out enough to relax, and really soothe his legs. Any other ideas

people have for me to help him, please let me know! I hate to see him

suffer like this!

Thanks!!

:)

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Wecome, . We have quite a few wives of diabetic husbands here. If you

search through the archives for " neuropathy " or on the internet for

" diabetic neuropathy " you should find tons of information. I know there are

quite a few folks on this list who have or have had neuropathy, and

hopefully they will share some of their experience. Most of them say the

pain lessens and can disappear when their blood sugar is in good control.

Around here alot of us aim for an hbA1c under 6.0 and blood sugar around 100

during the day. We advocate frequent testing to find what foods affect our

blood sugar, and keeping good notes in order to see patterns in our control,

and what works best for each of us.

Barb

> Hi! My name is and my husband is Diabetic. He was diagnosed with

> type 1 at the age of 29. Our big problem is he had Diabetes for so long,

> and we did not know about it. It does not run in his family, (its gotta

> start somewhere!) but he had it long enough that he has Neuropathies

> (sp) in his legs! He is now 35, and he has ALOT of leg pain.

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--- Has it been swollen and sore for a long time or just recently?

Are you sure its not an infection starting? That's what I had.

Madge

In diabetes_int@y..., ROBERT RATLIFF <bobratliff@i...> wrote:

> What are the symptoms of neuropathy? I have a right middle toe that

is

> swollen on the top. It has some low level pain off and on. I can

feel it

> when I walk. The pain is low level and I can pretty much ignore it.

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> Best Regards, Ratliff

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Bob, if you search the archives there is a lot of information about

neuropathy, but yours sounds like it might be a scratch or a sliver that has

become infected. I'd look at it closely with a magnifying glass to see if

anything is in there, scrub it with peroxide and bandage it with triple

antibiotic cream for awhile. And if it gets worse, and it's still local,

I'd see a doc.

Barb, not a doc or health care pro of any sort.

> > What are the symptoms of neuropathy? I have a right middle toe that

> is

> > swollen on the top. It has some low level pain off and on

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I started a couple months after I was diagnosed with diabetes. It is

swollen and a bit sore. What causes infections?

Best Regards, Ratliff

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--- Has it been swollen and sore for a long time or just recently?

Are you sure its not an infection starting? That's what I had.

Madge

In diabetes_int@y..., ROBERT RATLIFF <bobratliff@i...> wrote:

> What are the symptoms of neuropathy? I have a right middle toe that

is

> swollen on the top. It has some low level pain off and on. I can

feel it

> when I walk. The pain is low level and I can pretty much ignore it.

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> icq 1495914, msn ROBERT RATLIFF ,aim mtncurr22,

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No scratch or puncture. I seem to heal ok from bruises, etc. I am going to

see the doc about it the next time I see him.

Best Regards, Ratliff

icq 1495914, msn ROBERT RATLIFF ,aim mtncurr22, http://www.copernic.com

search engine

http://www.ghisler.com> windows commander http://www.paltalk.com> voice/text

chat (I'm TennRascal)

<*> Good Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.

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Bob, if you search the archives there is a lot of information about

neuropathy, but yours sounds like it might be a scratch or a sliver that has

become infected. I'd look at it closely with a magnifying glass to see if

anything is in there, scrub it with peroxide and bandage it with triple

antibiotic cream for awhile. And if it gets worse, and it's still local,

I'd see a doc.

Barb, not a doc or health care pro of any sort.

> > What are the symptoms of neuropathy? I have a right middle toe that

> is

> > swollen on the top. It has some low level pain off and on

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---In my case it was a fungus under the nail. However it can also be

caused by an ingrown toenail. Can also be caused by the penetration

of a foreign body, such as a sliver of wood or anything picked up if

walking barefoot or even walking in socks.

A friend had a nail in her foot and didn't know it until she took

her sneaker off and she saw blood. The nail had penetrated the

rubber sole and went into her foot.

Have to be so careful with the feet. Check them every night and if

anything strange shows up check it out.

madge

In diabetes_int@y..., ROBERT RATLIFF <bobratliff@i...> wrote:

> I started a couple months after I was diagnosed with diabetes. It

is

> swollen and a bit sore. What causes infections?

>

> Best Regards, Ratliff

> icq 1495914, msn ROBERT RATLIFF ,aim mtncurr22,

http://www.copernic.com

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voice/text

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> In diabetes_int@y..., ROBERT RATLIFF <bobratliff@i...> wrote:

> > What are the symptoms of neuropathy? I have a right middle toe

that

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> > swollen on the top. It has some low level pain off and on. I can

> feel it

> > when I walk. The pain is low level and I can pretty much ignore

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Hello stbrettell@... (Steve),

In reference to your comment:

è He claims you can do away with oral meds on his

è program, but then who doesn't?

I got rid of my oral meds by using low carb eating.... similar to Atkins just

keeping my carbs under 50grams per day, (most days)

My HBA1C went from

11/00 8.6

4/01 6.0

stopped the glucophage on 5/1/01

7/01 6.1

I'll be tested again in Oct, and will report again ;)

I've also lost 34 lbs and kept it off, since Jan, and this is not something

i've ever done before. :)

YMMV

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Hi All,

I'm new to this group; old to diabetes. I have type II, and am

taking oral meds and insulin. I've been on the atkins diet. I

haven't lost much weight, but I've maintained bg in the 90-170 range,

bp of about 110/80, and good cholesterol. My feet hurt most of the

time.

I've recently seen a couple of programs on TV about n Whitaker's

Reversing Diabetes program, and it seems so whacky that I want to

know more about it. He claims you can do away with oral meds on his

program, but then who doesn't?

Has anyone got any experience with his program?

Steve,

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Hi, Steve, welcome to the group...sorry you had to join us, but you'll find

lots of good information here. As far as n Whitaker's diet, I don't know

anything about it...your range of BGs with a high number in the 170s is less

than satisfactory and if your doctor says it is, he/she is wrong. It is best

to keep your numbers as close to 100 as possible, and the 170s are way too

high and are probably the reason you're having foot pain.

I would suggest if you haven't already, read " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes

Solutions " by K. Bernstein, M.D. Although you've had diabetes for a

long time, there's always something we can learn and I've found this book to

have information on topics generally not covered by other books on the

subject. He's also a diabetic and espouses lowcarb eating as a way to reduce

BGs. Many of us on this list have found it works very well for us. He also

has a website with excerpts from the book and other good stuff. The URL is

at our own website listed at the bottom of this post.

BTW, many type 2s who follow a lowcarb diet plan and exercise have been able

to get off meds...this is entirely possible, as I'm sure many on this list

can attest to.

Vicki

<< Hi All,

I'm new to this group; old to diabetes. I have type II, and am

taking oral meds and insulin. I've been on the atkins diet. I

haven't lost much weight, but I've maintained bg in the 90-170 range,

bp of about 110/80, and good cholesterol. My feet hurt most of the

time.

I've recently seen a couple of programs on TV about n Whitaker's

Reversing Diabetes program, and it seems so whacky that I want to

know more about it. He claims you can do away with oral meds on his

program, but then who doesn't?

Has anyone got any experience with his program?

Steve,

In land

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Thanks for you answer. I had good success for a long

time on low carb, and it makes sense that it would

work, but as time has gone on, I've had to take

glucovance and some insulin. I'm going to read the

book and take a try at it for a month or so. It'll

certainly be easier.

This system looks to get 80% of calories from complex

carbohydrates, low fat, particularly transfatty acids,

and obviously little protein. High fiber. He also

recommends supplimentation: vitamin, mineral and

herbal.

I'm hoping this will get me to where low carb got me a

couple of years ago.

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>>I'm new to this group; old to diabetes. I have type II, and am

taking oral meds and insulin. I've been on the atkins diet. I

haven't lost much weight, but I've maintained bg in the 90-170 range,

bp of about 110/80, and good cholesterol. My feet hurt most of the

time.>>

Steve, if your bg's are spiking to 170, IMHO this is too high. If your feet

hurt, this could be diabetic neuropathy and many people have alleviated the

pain by attaining better control over their blood sugar. Rather than be

concerned about getting off your meds (which is entirely possible down the

road), I would be more concerned about increasing your meds to attain better

control. Around here we advocate frequent testing and keeping good notes,

so you can learn what foods spike your bg's. A lot of us try to keep your

bg's around 100 with spikes no higher than 140. It's an excellent idea to

test 1-2 hours after meals to learn how your body reacts to which foods.

there are many great books, like Dr. Bernstein, and links to good

information listed at the website for this group, which URL is at the end of

each message.

Welcome.

Barb

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>>This system looks to get 80% of calories from complex

carbohydrates, low fat, particularly transfatty acids,

and obviously little protein. High fiber. He also

recommends supplimentation: vitamin, mineral and

herbal.

I'm hoping this will get me to where low carb got me a

couple of years ago.>>

**Steve, if you had good success with low carb, why on earth would you go to

a way of eating with 80% carbs? All I can say is eat and test and keep good

notes. Since it's the carbs that raise our blood sugar, the above system

makes no sense to me, and from the 4 years of good control that I have had

with around 100 carbs per day, I know it would not work at all for me.

YMMV (everyone is different), but I would really recommend that you test

8-10 times per day.

Barb

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Steve, maybe you've slipped a little and haven't realized it. Do you weigh

out all your foods? Do you check BGs an hour and two hours after eating as

well as before? Have you let a few higher carb foods into your diet? Maybe

you need to increase your insulin dose; what worked last month may not work

today. Diabetes is a progressive disease - no matter how careful we are. My

parameters changed when I switched from U to Lantus as my background insulin.

.. Vicki

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<< It makes no sense to me either, but the low carb way

of eating is either getting to me, or I'm developing

some new problems or something, and I'm gaining weight

(might be the increased use of insulin) and spiking

b/g levels to 170 (sometimes higher). I've heard

about this on tv, but not from any real person. I

need to get back on target somehow, so I'm casting about.

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Thanks for the response. I said that I've been on the

Atkins Diet, but I lied. It's really the diet in the

Bernstein book that I follow, but Atkins has more name

recognition, so I've found it easier to use. Yes, 170

is high, but that's the top of the range that I'm

trying for. The closer to 100 the better. I guess I

average about 115, because I cheat some.

Recently I've found it harder to maintain my b/g on an

even keel, and to maintain interest in the diet. The

Whitaker program is so against anything I've ever read

that it caught my attention. I saw it presented on

two different public tv shows in a two day period, so

thought it worth looking at. Who knows?

Steve,

In land

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Thanks. Those are goals of mine too. It surely is

neuropathy. I can't feel anything but pain in my

feet. I've got to find some solution, and so far,

diet hasn't been working for me. I'm taking two oral

meds and insulin, and still spiking to 170. So I have

to keep working at it.

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It makes no sense to me either, but the low carb way

of eating is either getting to me, or I'm developing

some new problems or something, and I'm gaining weight

(might be the increased use of insulin) and spiking

b/g levels to 170 (sometimes higher). I've heard

about this on tv, but not from any real person. I

need to get back on target somehow, so I'm casting about.

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