Re: Progesterone causing thyroid dump?

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Forgot to mention that my temps are still low - 97.7 and that my

throat feels goiterish again all of a sudden this afternoon??? My

goiterishness had kind of subsided over the past week or so - I

gradually stopped noticing it, and now all of a sudden?

HORMONES!

>

> ARRRRGH!

>

> Is it possible that taking a significant amount of progesterone, as I

> have been over the last couple of days could cause a thyroid dump?

>

> Seems possible, at least in my primitive & uneducated thinking on the

> matter...if the P is suddenly engaging some of my E? Then that would

> leave a couple of extra receptors available to " recept " some T3, right?

>

> Don't know if it's a bona fide thyroid dump or that all of a sudden

> I'm just on too much thyroid meds???

>

> Or would the P cause me to need more HC? Like all of a sudden all of

> the thyroid meds are back only in my bloodstream, rather than the

> cells? Perhaps that makes no sense? I was feeling shaky & low blood

> sugar-ish all morning (hyper?) but not having the " internal buzzing "

> that makes me feel like I need more HC.

>

> Whatever the case, I'm feeling like I'm about to become airborne.

> Anyone remember the the Brad Pitt/Tom Cruise version of The Vampire

> Lestat? I'm like one of the vampires in Paris flying madly around!

>

> Except I'm in Ohio. And instead of doing anything interesting and

> Parisian, I'm cleaning up all of the papers & magazines & crap that

> I've just deposited at my bedside over the past couple of weeks.

>

> Because I think it's important to clean my room before my head pops off.

>

> I don't get it...yesterday hypo...today hyper. Perhaps one of these

> days when all of my fine hormones are balanced, I will regain my

> intellect and be able to understand simple calculations, like:

>

> T3 + HC + P = HEL(2)

>

> Help?

>

>

>

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The adrenals use Progesterone to make Cortisol.

Your adrenals now are able to make more Cortisol than

they were before you started on the Progesterone.

Thyroid hormone receptor cells depend on Cortisol in

order to open. Unless they open, they cannot receive

the thyroid hormones that your thyroid is making, and

the thyroid hormones will just float around in the

blood.

When you are able to make more Cortisol (by taking

more Progesterone for the adrenals to use to make

Cortisol), more of your thyroid receptor cells will

open, and thus more of the thyroid hormones that HAD

been floating around in your blood are now able to get

into the receptor cells.

So you may have had a bit of a thyroid dump from that.

Don't stop taking the Progesterone though, you need it

to control the bleeding. Also, a large amount of

Progesterone can make a person feel a little " high "

and spacey for a while, but it's harmless and will

pass.

You probably haven't gone hypothyroid, just are now

getting that thyroid hormone out of your blood and

into its receptor cells where it belongs.

--- angesc2001 wrote:

> ARRRRGH!

>

> Is it possible that taking a significant amount of

> progesterone, as I

> have been over the last couple of days could cause a

> thyroid dump?

>

> Seems possible, at least in my primitive &

> uneducated thinking on the

> matter...if the P is suddenly engaging some of my E?

> Then that would

> leave a couple of extra receptors available to

> " recept " some T3, right?

>

> Don't know if it's a bona fide thyroid dump or that

> all of a sudden

> I'm just on too much thyroid meds???

>

> Or would the P cause me to need more HC? Like all

> of a sudden all of

> the thyroid meds are back only in my bloodstream,

> rather than the

> cells? Perhaps that makes no sense? I was feeling

> shaky & low blood

> sugar-ish all morning (hyper?) but not having the

> " internal buzzing "

> that makes me feel like I need more HC.

>

> Whatever the case, I'm feeling like I'm about to

> become airborne.

> Anyone remember the the Brad Pitt/Tom Cruise version

> of The Vampire

> Lestat? I'm like one of the vampires in Paris

> flying madly around!

>

> Except I'm in Ohio. And instead of doing anything

> interesting and

> Parisian, I'm cleaning up all of the papers &

> magazines & crap that

> I've just deposited at my bedside over the past

> couple of weeks.

>

> Because I think it's important to clean my room

> before my head pops off.

>

> I don't get it...yesterday hypo...today hyper.

> Perhaps one of these

> days when all of my fine hormones are balanced, I

> will regain my

> intellect and be able to understand simple

> calculations, like:

>

> T3 + HC + P = HEL(2)

>

> Help?

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

That last paragraph I wrote should have said, " you

probably haven't gone HYPERthyroid, just are now

getting that thyroid hormone out of your blood and

into its receptor cells where it belongs. "

--- JD wrote:

>

> You probably haven't gone hypothyroid, just are now

> getting that thyroid hormone out of your blood and

> into its receptor cells where it belongs.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --- angesc2001 wrote:

>

> > ARRRRGH!

> >

> > Is it possible that taking a significant amount of

> > progesterone, as I

> > have been over the last couple of days could cause

> a

> > thyroid dump?

> >

> > Seems possible, at least in my primitive &

> > uneducated thinking on the

> > matter...if the P is suddenly engaging some of my

> E?

> > Then that would

> > leave a couple of extra receptors available to

> > " recept " some T3, right?

> >

> > Don't know if it's a bona fide thyroid dump or

> that

> > all of a sudden

> > I'm just on too much thyroid meds???

> >

> > Or would the P cause me to need more HC? Like all

> > of a sudden all of

> > the thyroid meds are back only in my bloodstream,

> > rather than the

> > cells? Perhaps that makes no sense? I was

> feeling

> > shaky & low blood

> > sugar-ish all morning (hyper?) but not having the

> > " internal buzzing "

> > that makes me feel like I need more HC.

> >

> > Whatever the case, I'm feeling like I'm about to

> > become airborne.

> > Anyone remember the the Brad Pitt/Tom Cruise

> version

> > of The Vampire

> > Lestat? I'm like one of the vampires in Paris

> > flying madly around!

> >

> > Except I'm in Ohio. And instead of doing anything

> > interesting and

> > Parisian, I'm cleaning up all of the papers &

> > magazines & crap that

> > I've just deposited at my bedside over the past

> > couple of weeks.

> >

> > Because I think it's important to clean my room

> > before my head pops off.

> >

> > I don't get it...yesterday hypo...today hyper.

> > Perhaps one of these

> > days when all of my fine hormones are balanced, I

> > will regain my

> > intellect and be able to understand simple

> > calculations, like:

> >

> > T3 + HC + P = HEL(2)

> >

> > Help?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

> When you are able to make more Cortisol (by taking

> more Progesterone for the adrenals to use to make

> Cortisol), more of your thyroid receptor cells will

> open, and thus more of the thyroid hormones that HAD

> been floating around in your blood are now able to get

> into the receptor cells.

>

> So you may have had a bit of a thyroid dump from that.

> Don't stop taking the Progesterone though, you need it

> to control the bleeding. Also, a large amount of

> Progesterone can make a person feel a little " high "

> and spacey for a while, but it's harmless and will

> pass.

>

OK, I will continue with the P. Was a little concerned about that,

but I agree that I need to continue to stop the deluge.

I'm already feeling a little more " down " and awfully tired - but

that's probably because I couldn't sleep until late again last night.

Just popped more P under the tongue, so we'll see where that leads...

Thanks!

So, for tomorrow, should I back down on the thyroid meds?

[Guest guest]

If the thyroid dump was pretty mild, I'd wait and see

how you continue to feel before backing off on the

thyroid meds.

If it was not so mild, then I'd personally back off a

bit on the thyroid meds until the adrenals have

settled down and found their new level of Cortisol

production capacity from the Progesterone.

--- angesc2001 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > When you are able to make more Cortisol (by taking

> > more Progesterone for the adrenals to use to make

> > Cortisol), more of your thyroid receptor cells

> will

> > open, and thus more of the thyroid hormones that

> HAD

> > been floating around in your blood are now able to

> get

> > into the receptor cells.

> >

> > So you may have had a bit of a thyroid dump from

> that.

> > Don't stop taking the Progesterone though, you

> need it

> > to control the bleeding. Also, a large amount of

> > Progesterone can make a person feel a little

> " high "

> > and spacey for a while, but it's harmless and will

> > pass.

> >

>

> OK, I will continue with the P. Was a little

> concerned about that,

> but I agree that I need to continue to stop the

> deluge.

>

> I'm already feeling a little more " down " and awfully

> tired - but

> that's probably because I couldn't sleep until late

> again last night.

>

> Just popped more P under the tongue, so we'll see

> where that leads...

>

> Thanks!

>

>

>

> So, for tomorrow, should I back down on the thyroid

> meds?

>

>

>

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When I first started progesterone creme, I felt so much more relaxed and

slept better. However, as it built up in my body and got stored in my fat,

I needed to reduce my dose cause it made me hyper and crave sweets. It

would be nice to be able to monitor how much your body is absorbing so the

dose could be adjusted.

-- Progesterone causing thyroid dump?

ARRRRGH!

Is it possible that taking a significant amount of progesterone, as I

have been over the last couple of days could cause a thyroid dump?

Seems possible, at least in my primitive & uneducated thinking on the

matter...if the P is suddenly engaging some of my E? Then that would

leave a couple of extra receptors available to " recept " some T3, right?

Don't know if it's a bona fide thyroid dump or that all of a sudden

I'm just on too much thyroid meds???

Or would the P cause me to need more HC? Like all of a sudden all of

the thyroid meds are back only in my bloodstream, rather than the

cells? Perhaps that makes no sense? I was feeling shaky & low blood

sugar-ish all morning (hyper?) but not having the " internal buzzing "

that makes me feel like I need more HC.

Whatever the case, I'm feeling like I'm about to become airborne.

Anyone remember the the Brad Pitt/Tom Cruise version of The Vampire

Lestat? I'm like one of the vampires in Paris flying madly around!

Except I'm in Ohio. And instead of doing anything interesting and

Parisian, I'm cleaning up all of the papers & magazines & crap that

I've just deposited at my bedside over the past couple of weeks.

Because I think it's important to clean my room before my head pops off.

I don't get it...yesterday hypo...today hyper. Perhaps one of these

days when all of my fine hormones are balanced, I will regain my

intellect and be able to understand simple calculations, like:

T3 + HC + P = HEL(2)

Help?

[Guest guest]

>

> If the thyroid dump was pretty mild, I'd wait and see

> how you continue to feel before backing off on the

> thyroid meds.

>

> If it was not so mild, then I'd personally back off a

> bit on the thyroid meds until the adrenals have

> settled down and found their new level of Cortisol

> production capacity from the Progesterone.

>

>

>

Well, I'd say it was mild, at least compared to the one that made me

think I was certainly going to die!

I've actually been on too much meds before (either because I was on

too much, or because it wasn't getting where it needed to go), and it

was about as bad as that.

Right now, I feel pretty darn hypo again. Love that. Hypo to hyper

to hypo all in one day.

I guess my biggest concern is progesterone -> cortisol, and that now

that I actually have some progesterone in the mix, I fear that I will

have too much cortisol. I don't know if that's a reasonable concern

or not. Where my adrenals are, probably not.

But either way, how do I know if I'm taking too much cortisol?

I know when it's NOT enough, because I get the internal buzzing

feeling - I get that at the 3-hour mark sometimes, when the HC is

wearing down - like my adrenals are trying hard to crank out some

cortisol, to the point that my body is buzzing, but they're just not

cutting it.

That being said, perhaps I shouldn't really worry about too much

cortisol...maybe I just brought it up to ENOUGH cortisol to deliver

the thyroid to the cells?

Any clarification/direction would be GREATLY appreciated!

(I really hate this thing when I can't THINK CLEARLY and figure out a

logical flow of info!)

Warmly,

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>

> When I first started progesterone creme, I felt so much more relaxed and

> slept better. However, as it built up in my body and got stored in

my fat,

> I needed to reduce my dose cause it made me hyper and crave sweets. It

> would be nice to be able to monitor how much your body is absorbing

so the

> dose could be adjusted.

>

You needed to reduce your dose of P or thyroid?

I am planning to do the 11-vial saliva test through Diagnos-Techs for

the female hormones. But, I need to stop the bleeding first.

So I'm taking the P this time until the bleeding stops - hopefully

soon - then assuming that my cycle normalizes, I will do the test next

cycle. I had hoped to do it this time, but it didn't work out that way.

My plan is to monitor closely...eventually. If my cycle doesn't

normalize...then on to Plan B. Haven't devised that plan yet,

though...hopefully won't need it!

Thanks, !

Warmly,

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If it were me, I wouldn't touch anything for at least

three days to a week, to give the body time to adjust

to the Progesterone coming in and get stabilized and

leveled off where it's going to. Then it'll be a much

clearer picture of what's going on in there.

For me, it's really hard to tell when I add something,

what it's going to be like if I keep fiddling around

adjusting other things. So I add one thing, then be

still with it for several days (unless I get really

sick), and let it settle and get familiar with that

before making any adjustments.

--- angesc2001 wrote:

> Well, I'd say it was mild, at least compared to the

> one that made me

> think I was certainly going to die!

>

> I've actually been on too much meds before (either

> because I was on

> too much, or because it wasn't getting where it

> needed to go), and it

> was about as bad as that.

>

> Right now, I feel pretty darn hypo again. Love

> that. Hypo to hyper

> to hypo all in one day.

>

> I guess my biggest concern is progesterone ->

> cortisol, and that now

> that I actually have some progesterone in the mix, I

> fear that I will

> have too much cortisol. I don't know if that's a

> reasonable concern

> or not. Where my adrenals are, probably not.

>

> But either way, how do I know if I'm taking too much

> cortisol?

>

> I know when it's NOT enough, because I get the

> internal buzzing

> feeling - I get that at the 3-hour mark sometimes,

> when the HC is

> wearing down - like my adrenals are trying hard to

> crank out some

> cortisol, to the point that my body is buzzing, but

> they're just not

> cutting it.

>

> That being said, perhaps I shouldn't really worry

> about too much

> cortisol...maybe I just brought it up to ENOUGH

> cortisol to deliver

> the thyroid to the cells?

>

> Any clarification/direction would be GREATLY

> appreciated!

>

> (I really hate this thing when I can't THINK CLEARLY

> and figure out a

> logical flow of info!)

>

> Warmly,

>

>

>

>

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>

> If it were me, I wouldn't touch anything for at least

> three days to a week, to give the body time to adjust

> to the Progesterone coming in and get stabilized and

> leveled off where it's going to. Then it'll be a much

> clearer picture of what's going on in there.

>

> For me, it's really hard to tell when I add something,

> what it's going to be like if I keep fiddling around

> adjusting other things. So I add one thing, then be

> still with it for several days (unless I get really

> sick), and let it settle and get familiar with that

> before making any adjustments.

>

Right...I feel the same, which is why I'm not thrilled at having to

add the P right now...but it couldn't be avoided.

So, I guess I'll assume that it was a thyroid dump, and I'll proceed

as planned tomorrow. I'll know with my first dose of thyroid if it's

too much & I won't take more. It was my second dose that sent me over

the line today, which I shouldn't have taken, but I wasn't sure what

the heck the problem was, since I wasn't truly " hyper " until I added

that dose.

In the a.m., I was having shakiness & low blood sugar, so I didn't

know if it was from a) actual low blood sugar; adrenals; or c)

thyroid dump/too much HC/P.

So, we'll see...

It's hard to imagine that people actually stabilize, but they say they

do...

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

Yes they do, and you will too! Patience and time, and

it's not fun in the meantime. I came back from Stage 7

to Stage 6 without any meds (cause I didn't know

that's what was wrong with me) and even though it took

a year and a half in bed, it did get better. I'm out

of bed now, and it continues to get better. And so

will yours! :-)

--- angesc2001 wrote:

> Right...I feel the same, which is why I'm not

> thrilled at having to

> add the P right now...but it couldn't be avoided.

>

> So, I guess I'll assume that it was a thyroid dump,

> and I'll proceed

> as planned tomorrow. I'll know with my first dose

> of thyroid if it's

> too much & I won't take more. It was my second dose

> that sent me over

> the line today, which I shouldn't have taken, but I

> wasn't sure what

> the heck the problem was, since I wasn't truly

> " hyper " until I added

> that dose.

>

> In the a.m., I was having shakiness & low blood

> sugar, so I didn't

> know if it was from a) actual low blood sugar;

> adrenals; or c)

> thyroid dump/too much HC/P.

>

> So, we'll see...

>

> It's hard to imagine that people actually stabilize,

> but they say they

> do...

>

> Warmly,

>

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