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Your Ferritin is still low. But it shouldn't be causing serious palps as

it is close to being good. When are you taking the thyroid and HC?

Sometimes a little tweak in the timing of the doses will fix things

right up.

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Not sure why you are going to back off on the Armour,

considering your thyroid labs look good right now?

What were the ranges for the ferritin?

--- porchwork wrote:

> My doctor just called with my new labs! She is

> faxing them to me

> but I won't see them till later. So I am going now

> on what she told

> me.

>

> I have been diagnosed with adrenal fatigue,

> hypothyroid and insulin

> resistance.

>

> In September I started HC and my labs at that time

> were

> 24 hour saliva test

> Morning Cortisol 1.2 (Range 3-8)

> Noon 2.3 (Range 2-4) A very severe stressor happened

> just before

> this noon test.

> Evening 1.0 (Range 1-2)

> Night 0.3 (Range .5 - 1.5)

> DHEA 4.5 (Range 3-10)

> Free T-3 4.4 (Range 2.3 - 4.2)

> Free T-4 0.45 (Range .54 - 1.64)

> TSH 2.06 (Range 0.34 - 5.6)

>

> I am on 25 Mg HC and was on 2 grains Armour at the

> time of the

> test. Because I was still feeling tired I thought I

> should increase

> the Armour to 2 1/4 grains.

>

> My results on the last tests were

> TSH .016

> FT3 4.2 (Range 2.3 - 4.2)

> FT4 I didn't get that number but she said it was

> good

> Ferritin was 64

> All other tests for B12, etc. were good.

>

> So now I am so confused. I had trouble raising the

> Armour because

> of heart palps. (Still have them). But I thought

> the closer I got

> to 3 grains the better I would feel. Now I need to

> go back down on

> everything. I have been working on this since

> September. It makes

> me just want to throw it all down the sink.

>

> I will go back down 1/4 grain today. Stay at 2. I

> am wondering if

> I should back off of the HC and if so, how much?

>

> I still feel depressed, fatigue, can't sleep,

> gaining weight,

> swollen, higher blood pressure, headache, no libido.

>

> I have been able to start walking slowly on the

> treadmill so that is

> an improvement.

>

> Any suggestions from those who have been there?

>

> beebe

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I take 10 MG HC at 6 am, then 5 at 10 AM, 2 PM and 6 PM. Total 25 mg

I take 1 grain of Armour at 6 am, 1/2 grain at 10 AM, 1/2 grain at 2 PM

and 1/4 at 6 PM Total 2 1/4 grains

Should I go ahead and take some iron to see if it helps.

Thanks

beebe

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Your Ferritin is still low. But it shouldn't be causing serious palps as

it is close to being good. When are you taking the thyroid and HC?

Sometimes a little tweak in the timing of the doses will fix things

right up.

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Well I went up 1/4 grain after that test.....so I am probably too high

because those labs did look good. But I just wanted to feel better.

I will have to check the ranges for ferritin. She is supposed to fax the

labs.

beebe

Re: New Labs

Not sure why you are going to back off on the Armour,

considering your thyroid labs look good right now?

What were the ranges for the ferritin?

--- porchwork wrote:

> My doctor just called with my new labs! She is

> faxing them to me

> but I won't see them till later. So I am going now

> on what she told

> me.

>

> I have been diagnosed with adrenal fatigue,

> hypothyroid and insulin

> resistance.

>

> In September I started HC and my labs at that time

> were

> 24 hour saliva test

> Morning Cortisol 1.2 (Range 3-8)

> Noon 2.3 (Range 2-4) A very severe stressor happened

> just before

> this noon test.

> Evening 1.0 (Range 1-2)

> Night 0.3 (Range .5 - 1.5)

> DHEA 4.5 (Range 3-10)

> Free T-3 4.4 (Range 2.3 - 4.2)

> Free T-4 0.45 (Range .54 - 1.64)

> TSH 2.06 (Range 0.34 - 5.6)

>

> I am on 25 Mg HC and was on 2 grains Armour at the

> time of the

> test. Because I was still feeling tired I thought I

> should increase

> the Armour to 2 1/4 grains.

>

> My results on the last tests were

> TSH .016

> FT3 4.2 (Range 2.3 - 4.2)

> FT4 I didn't get that number but she said it was

> good

> Ferritin was 64

> All other tests for B12, etc. were good.

>

> So now I am so confused. I had trouble raising the

> Armour because

> of heart palps. (Still have them). But I thought

> the closer I got

> to 3 grains the better I would feel. Now I need to

> go back down on

> everything. I have been working on this since

> September. It makes

> me just want to throw it all down the sink.

>

> I will go back down 1/4 grain today. Stay at 2. I

> am wondering if

> I should back off of the HC and if so, how much?

>

> I still feel depressed, fatigue, can't sleep,

> gaining weight,

> swollen, higher blood pressure, headache, no libido.

>

> I have been able to start walking slowly on the

> treadmill so that is

> an improvement.

>

> Any suggestions from those who have been there?

>

> beebe

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Beebe,

Check out magnesium, CoQ10 and biotin for heart symptoms.

Linn

> My doctor just called with my new labs! She is faxing them to me

> but I won't see them till later. So I am going now on what she told

> me.

>

> I have been diagnosed with adrenal fatigue, hypothyroid and insulin

> resistance.

>

> .

>

>

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>>I take 10 MG HC at 6 am, then 5 at 10 AM, 2 PM and 6 PM. Total 25 mg

I take 1 grain of Armour at 6 am, 1/2 grain at 10 AM, 1/2 grain at 2 PM

and 1/4 at 6 PM Total 2 1/4 grains<<

First yes, I would take some Iron. It would be best to get your Ferritin to

between 70-90.

Now for the HC dosing. Are you having fatigue or shakiness during the day or

evenings? If not that is good, but most of us that are taking that much in the

day need a bedtime dose. I would either add an additional 5MG at bedtime OR

split your 6PM dose to 2.5 at 6 and 2.5 at bedtime. I am betting you may need a

tad more though.

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Why are you going " back down on everything " ? Did the doctor tell you

to cut back on Armour because your TSH read as <cough> " low " ?

Low TSH when supplementing with Armour is supposed to happen. You

judge your Armour by how you feel & perhaps the frees, not the TSH.

You're not producing TSH because your already supplying your body

with the T4/T3. Your pituitary doesn't need to keep telling your

thyroid to make hormones, it's already there.

>

> My doctor just called with my new labs! She is faxing them to me

> but I won't see them till later. So I am going now on what she

told

> me.

>

> I have been diagnosed with adrenal fatigue, hypothyroid and

insulin

> resistance.

>

> In September I started HC and my labs at that time were

> 24 hour saliva test

> Morning Cortisol 1.2 (Range 3-8)

> Noon 2.3 (Range 2-4) A very severe stressor happened just before

> this noon test.

> Evening 1.0 (Range 1-2)

> Night 0.3 (Range .5 - 1.5)

> DHEA 4.5 (Range 3-10)

> Free T-3 4.4 (Range 2.3 - 4.2)

> Free T-4 0.45 (Range .54 - 1.64)

> TSH 2.06 (Range 0.34 - 5.6)

>

> I am on 25 Mg HC and was on 2 grains Armour at the time of the

> test. Because I was still feeling tired I thought I should

increase

> the Armour to 2 1/4 grains.

>

> My results on the last tests were

> TSH .016

> FT3 4.2 (Range 2.3 - 4.2)

> FT4 I didn't get that number but she said it was good

> Ferritin was 64

> All other tests for B12, etc. were good.

>

> So now I am so confused. I had trouble raising the Armour because

> of heart palps. (Still have them). But I thought the closer I

got

> to 3 grains the better I would feel. Now I need to go back down

on

> everything. I have been working on this since September. It

makes

> me just want to throw it all down the sink.

>

> I will go back down 1/4 grain today. Stay at 2. I am wondering

if

> I should back off of the HC and if so, how much?

>

> I still feel depressed, fatigue, can't sleep, gaining weight,

> swollen, higher blood pressure, headache, no libido.

>

> I have been able to start walking slowly on the treadmill so that

is

> an improvement.

>

> Any suggestions from those who have been there?

>

> beebe

>

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No, I didn't tell the doctor I had gone up to 2 1/4. She thought I was still at

2, suggested I go down to 1 3/4 but said I could stay at 2 if I wanted to.

SO, since I am feeling bad at 2 1/4, having heart palps, higher blood pressure,

fatigue....going up isn't helping and the lab were good at 2 so thought I would

go back there and see if I felt better.

I guess I was just wanting to go to that 3 to 5 dose that is optimal for most

people it seems from what I read. Guess I just don't need it. I would really

be hyper it I got that high

beebe

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Why are you going " back down on everything " ? Did the doctor tell you

to cut back on Armour because your TSH read as <cough> " low " ?

Low TSH when supplementing with Armour is supposed to happen. You

judge your Armour by how you feel & perhaps the frees, not the TSH.

You're not producing TSH because your already supplying your body

with the T4/T3. Your pituitary doesn't need to keep telling your

thyroid to make hormones, it's already there.

>

> My doctor just called with my new labs! She is faxing them to me

> but I won't see them till later. So I am going now on what she

told

> me.

>

> I have been diagnosed with adrenal fatigue, hypothyroid and

insulin

> resistance.

>

> In September I started HC and my labs at that time were

> 24 hour saliva test

> Morning Cortisol 1.2 (Range 3-8)

> Noon 2.3 (Range 2-4) A very severe stressor happened just before

> this noon test.

> Evening 1.0 (Range 1-2)

> Night 0.3 (Range .5 - 1.5)

> DHEA 4.5 (Range 3-10)

> Free T-3 4.4 (Range 2.3 - 4.2)

> Free T-4 0.45 (Range .54 - 1.64)

> TSH 2.06 (Range 0.34 - 5.6)

>

> I am on 25 Mg HC and was on 2 grains Armour at the time of the

> test. Because I was still feeling tired I thought I should

increase

> the Armour to 2 1/4 grains.

>

> My results on the last tests were

> TSH .016

> FT3 4.2 (Range 2.3 - 4.2)

> FT4 I didn't get that number but she said it was good

> Ferritin was 64

> All other tests for B12, etc. were good.

>

> So now I am so confused. I had trouble raising the Armour because

> of heart palps. (Still have them). But I thought the closer I

got

> to 3 grains the better I would feel. Now I need to go back down

on

> everything. I have been working on this since September. It

makes

> me just want to throw it all down the sink.

>

> I will go back down 1/4 grain today. Stay at 2. I am wondering

if

> I should back off of the HC and if so, how much?

>

> I still feel depressed, fatigue, can't sleep, gaining weight,

> swollen, higher blood pressure, headache, no libido.

>

> I have been able to start walking slowly on the treadmill so that

is

> an improvement.

>

> Any suggestions from those who have been there?

>

> beebe

>

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Yes, I am having fatigue during the day. I just worry about going up to 30MG by

adding that 5 mg at bedtime. I will try that tonight. I know that you

eventually went up to 30MG didn't you? How long did you stay on it?

Do you think that my Armour is okay at 2 grains?

My heart is pounding now! I will get some iron and see if that helps.

Thanks so much Val. By the way, I hope you are getting your insulin figured.

You help us all and then have so much to worry about for yourself too.

Beebe

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>>I take 10 MG HC at 6 am, then 5 at 10 AM, 2 PM and 6 PM. Total 25 mg

I take 1 grain of Armour at 6 am, 1/2 grain at 10 AM, 1/2 grain at 2 PM

and 1/4 at 6 PM Total 2 1/4 grains<<

First yes, I would take some Iron. It would be best to get your Ferritin to

between 70-90.

Now for the HC dosing. Are you having fatigue or shakiness during the day or

evenings? If not that is good, but most of us that are taking that much in the

day need a bedtime dose. I would either add an additional 5MG at bedtime OR

split your 6PM dose to 2.5 at 6 and 2.5 at bedtime. I am betting you may need a

tad more though.

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Yes I was at 30MG for 10 months then weaned off for three months, went

back on it and am now weaning again,LOL... Getting lots of experience

with this weaning of stuff! But I am gettign the Insulin better under

control since I decided to do ti myself and forget the dose the doc gave

me. I also need a different kind of insulin I am learning.

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What are your ferritin (storage iron) levels? Most hypos do best at

70-90. If you're low, you tend to get hyper symptoms when you try to

increase.

Also, maybe your aldosterone levels are low? That will stop you from

being able to raise your Armour. More info here:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=581

" ...Hypothyroidism can mask hypoaldosteronism. If you are on proper

cortisol replacement and Armour (happens usually with less than 3

grains) is causing your pulse to go into the 90's or higher (I've

seen some that will reach 120 or more before treating their

hypoaldosteronism), then definately test aldosterone, renin, sodium

and potassium and get opinions of these tests... "

Just some more ideas...

> >

> > My doctor just called with my new labs! She is faxing them to

me

> > but I won't see them till later. So I am going now on what she

> told

> > me.

> >

> > I have been diagnosed with adrenal fatigue, hypothyroid and

> insulin

> > resistance.

> >

> > In September I started HC and my labs at that time were

> > 24 hour saliva test

> > Morning Cortisol 1.2 (Range 3-8)

> > Noon 2.3 (Range 2-4) A very severe stressor happened just

before

> > this noon test.

> > Evening 1.0 (Range 1-2)

> > Night 0.3 (Range .5 - 1.5)

> > DHEA 4.5 (Range 3-10)

> > Free T-3 4.4 (Range 2.3 - 4.2)

> > Free T-4 0.45 (Range .54 - 1.64)

> > TSH 2.06 (Range 0.34 - 5.6)

> >

> > I am on 25 Mg HC and was on 2 grains Armour at the time of the

> > test. Because I was still feeling tired I thought I should

> increase

> > the Armour to 2 1/4 grains.

> >

> > My results on the last tests were

> > TSH .016

> > FT3 4.2 (Range 2.3 - 4.2)

> > FT4 I didn't get that number but she said it was good

> > Ferritin was 64

> > All other tests for B12, etc. were good.

> >

> > So now I am so confused. I had trouble raising the Armour

because

> > of heart palps. (Still have them). But I thought the closer I

> got

> > to 3 grains the better I would feel. Now I need to go back

down

> on

> > everything. I have been working on this since September. It

> makes

> > me just want to throw it all down the sink.

> >

> > I will go back down 1/4 grain today. Stay at 2. I am wondering

> if

> > I should back off of the HC and if so, how much?

> >

> > I still feel depressed, fatigue, can't sleep, gaining weight,

> > swollen, higher blood pressure, headache, no libido.

> >

> > I have been able to start walking slowly on the treadmill so

that

> is

> > an improvement.

> >

> > Any suggestions from those who have been there?

> >

> > beebe

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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good for you .

My doctor is starting to use some sort of

supplement that she has some friends and other doctors that have used it. She

is going to let me have 3 months free to see if it helps. She is also offering

it to a patient with Lupus and some others. It will be interesting to see

exactly what it is and what it can do. I will keep you posted. I am supposed

to talk to the other doctor next week in a 3 way phone conference!!

Re: New Labs

Yes I was at 30MG for 10 months then weaned off for three months, went

back on it and am now weaning again,LOL... Getting lots of experience

with this weaning of stuff! But I am gettign the Insulin better under

control since I decided to do ti myself and forget the dose the doc gave

me. I also need a different kind of insulin I am learning.

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Thank you . I went and picked up some iron tonight and am going to start

that.

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What are your ferritin (storage iron) levels? Most hypos do best at

70-90. If you're low, you tend to get hyper symptoms when you try to

increase.

Also, maybe your aldosterone levels are low? That will stop you from

being able to raise your Armour. More info here:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=581

" ...Hypothyroidism can mask hypoaldosteronism. If you are on proper

cortisol replacement and Armour (happens usually with less than 3

grains) is causing your pulse to go into the 90's or higher (I've

seen some that will reach 120 or more before treating their

hypoaldosteronism), then definately test aldosterone, renin, sodium

and potassium and get opinions of these tests... "

Just some more ideas...

> >

> > My doctor just called with my new labs! She is faxing them to

me

> > but I won't see them till later. So I am going now on what she

> told

> > me.

> >

> > I have been diagnosed with adrenal fatigue, hypothyroid and

> insulin

> > resistance.

> >

> > In September I started HC and my labs at that time were

> > 24 hour saliva test

> > Morning Cortisol 1.2 (Range 3-8)

> > Noon 2.3 (Range 2-4) A very severe stressor happened just

before

> > this noon test.

> > Evening 1.0 (Range 1-2)

> > Night 0.3 (Range .5 - 1.5)

> > DHEA 4.5 (Range 3-10)

> > Free T-3 4.4 (Range 2.3 - 4.2)

> > Free T-4 0.45 (Range .54 - 1.64)

> > TSH 2.06 (Range 0.34 - 5.6)

> >

> > I am on 25 Mg HC and was on 2 grains Armour at the time of the

> > test. Because I was still feeling tired I thought I should

> increase

> > the Armour to 2 1/4 grains.

> >

> > My results on the last tests were

> > TSH .016

> > FT3 4.2 (Range 2.3 - 4.2)

> > FT4 I didn't get that number but she said it was good

> > Ferritin was 64

> > All other tests for B12, etc. were good.

> >

> > So now I am so confused. I had trouble raising the Armour

because

> > of heart palps. (Still have them). But I thought the closer I

> got

> > to 3 grains the better I would feel. Now I need to go back

down

> on

> > everything. I have been working on this since September. It

> makes

> > me just want to throw it all down the sink.

> >

> > I will go back down 1/4 grain today. Stay at 2. I am wondering

> if

> > I should back off of the HC and if so, how much?

> >

> > I still feel depressed, fatigue, can't sleep, gaining weight,

> > swollen, higher blood pressure, headache, no libido.

> >

> > I have been able to start walking slowly on the treadmill so

that

> is

> > an improvement.

> >

> > Any suggestions from those who have been there?

> >

> > beebe

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Do you KNOW you're low on ferritin via lab testing? It's not good to

suuplement iron if you don't. Excessive iron has serious side

effects & is difficult to remove from the body.

If your doc can't/won't test, you can do it yourself thru

HealthCheckUSA. Just ferritin is $25. Use discount code 12345 to

save an extra 10%.

They also have a comprehensive package called VIP Plus II for $125 (-

discount) that includes ferritin & a thyroid panel, among others.

Details: Includes Total Cholesterol, HDL, LDL, and Ratios,

Triglycerides, Glucose(Diabetes), Kidney, Liver, and Heart

Functions, Potassium, Calcium, Uric Acid, Electrolytes, Iron,

Ferritin, PLUS a CBC (Complete Blood Count) and Comprehensive

Thyroid Profile II: Free T3, Free T4, and TSH (Thyroid Stimulating

Hormone).

Here's a link to just the ferritin:

https://www.healthcheckusa.com/testdetails.asp?productid=60

You order it, they mail you paperwork, you go to a local lab for the

blood draw. In about a week, results are avaiable online & mailed to

you.

>

> Thank you . I went and picked up some iron tonight and am

going to start that.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: jtb14789

>> What are your ferritin (storage iron) levels? Most hypos do

best at 70-90. If you're low, you tend to get hyper symptoms when

you try to increase. Also, maybe your aldosterone levels are low?

That will stop you from being able to raise your Armour. More info

here: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?

t=581

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That was my thought also about the stress dosing. I am still going

down with the standing BP so I am going to move up to 40 HC even tho

I reallly don't want to. Where would you suggest I put the other

2.5mg. I do the followiang:

6am 10mg

8am 2.5mg

10 am 10 mg

Noon 2.5mg

2pm 5mg

4pm 2.5mg

Bed 5mg

Boy my cortisol was really low. I did not take HC or T3 before that

8am blood draw. Guess I was worse than I even thought. How long do

you think it will take to build it back up and any suggestions on

what to do and not to do to get it there. I need all the help I can

get. Thanks....

> Sounds liek somehow youi were able to utilize some T3. It could

also be

> the stress dosing has used up some of that as well.

>

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Yes Val I think the same thing about the stress dosing. I must have

kept up enough cortisol that got some T3 thru. However, with my

cortisol so low I know I really have a problem here. The blood test

showed how really low I am cause I did not take HC or T3 before the

test. I have been busy the last couple of days and can really tell I

am tired. I am going to up my HC to 40mg as much as I hate to. My

schedule is as follows, where should I put the next 2.5mg??

6am...10mg

8am...2.5

10am...10mg

Noon...2.5

2pm...5mg

4pm...2.5

Bed...5mg

Could you tell me why when I take my 6am 10mg that I am still going

down on the standing BP by 10am??? I know you said to only check BP

once a day, but I am not taking extra because of it, just like to know

when I start staying up which is usually in the afternoon.

Should I ask for another blood test for thyroid & cortisol for about 6

weeks????

> Sounds liek somehow youi were able to utilize some T3. It could also

be

> the stress dosing has used up some of that as well.

>

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Cortisol tresting while on HC is VERY inaccurate. Whne you take the

sample in the AM bveforee your HC dose it is guaranteed to be low. Thsiw

si due to ACTH supression from taking HC. If you take blood sample after

the HC dose it si bound to be high. As it peaks in the bood veyr

quickly.. If you wait till the next dose is due, it is low. thsi is

eveyrtime for eveyr person so really doesn;t tell you anyhting about

YOUR addrenal status.

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