Re: Re: high insulin keeps cortisol levels low

[Guest guest]

Linn - I am interested in these organic seeds. If you

could look them up, that would be nice. Also, once the

meat is cooked, would the nitrates still affect our

health? I can't see spending so much more on organic

just to get it without nitrates which may get cooked

out?

--- Linn wrote:

> ,

>

> I'm not sure if Monsanto owns the patent on all

> seeds, but they are

> well on their way. I stick with organic seeds.

> I'll try and look up

> some info off the alt/med group on seeds to see what

> I can find if

> you're interested.

>

> Some of the farmers around here raise pigs that

> we're interested in

> trying also. It's the nitrates that they use for

> curing that are so

> bad for you. I don't think that the smaller farmers

> use nitrates.

>

> Linn

>

>

>

> > This is sickening to me. I want to begin to grow

> my

> > own vegetables. Is there a country that doesn’t

> > genetically alter seeds that I could buy from?

> Also,

> > pig is touted as unhealthy to eat but I haven’t

> been

> > able to locate any evidence that supports this.

> I’m

> > aware that nitrates are added but if I buy organic

> > then I should be okay. I also read that the

> farmers

> > keep their pens very clean and disinfected! Just

> > searching for the truth.

> >

> >

> > --- Whitmore wrote:

> >

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[Guest guest]

Another way to trick us into thinking they are free

range when they can barely move. I guess it’s a little

better than to stack them on top of each other in a

cage the way they do it conventionally. This is what I

heard. I’m not sure if there are any local farms in

South Florida. I hope Whole Foods is getting them from

local farms because that’s where I’ve been getting my

meats.They are a publicly traded company, so I'm sure

they have an agenda too.

--- Ives wrote:

> If you look closer at the package, it also states

> that federal law prohibit

> the use of growth hormones and antibiotics in

> chicken.

>

> What you want is organically fed, free-range chicken

> from a local farm.

> " Free range " can mean that the chickens were not in

> a cage, but typically

> they are kept in a gigantic barn, packed right next

> to each other, so there

> is barely enough room for them to move.

>

> Good ole big business has gotten into the government

> again and @#$#ed around

> with the labeling.

>

> Best,

>

> http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> http://www.CurlyRescue.com

>

> ~ The radical of one century is the conservative of

> the next. The radical

> invents the views. When he has worn them out the

> conservative adopts them.

> -- Mark Twain, Notebook, 1935

> Re: Re: high insulin

> keeps

> >> cortisol levels low

> >>

> >>

> >> > There's some good info on Monsanto on the

> alt/med

> >> group, lots of

> >> > folks keep up with all that's going on with

> that.

> >> It's definitely

> >> > all about control and money. I do know that

> corn

> >> specifically is

> >> > supposed to all be genetically altered and

> that's

> >> already in our food

> >> > supply and has been for a while.

> >> >

> >> > That is pretty funny about the people thinking

> the

> >> chickens were

> >> > scrawny. Just goes to show that we've all been

> >> taken in, most older

> >> > people will still comment on how big the

> chickens

> >> are now. Chicken

> >> > breasts are twice the size they were when I was

> >> growing up. All

> >> > those lovely hormones!!

> >> >

> >> > I grew a lot stuff this past spring in our

> garden

> >> at home. The

> >> > tomatoes were awesome, full of the best kind of

> >> enzymes!!

> >> >

> >> > Linn

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >> The big guys are still making profits, on

> every

> >> single

> >> >> seed bought in this country by farmers big and

> >> small,

> >> >> organic and non organic, even just a backyard

> >> garden,

> >> >> same thing.

> >> >>

> >> >> The only seeds anyone can use have been

> >> genetically

> >> >> altered, and from what I understand it's not

> even

> >> >> possible to buy seed that hasn't been

> genetically

> >> >> altered anymore.

> >> >>

> >> >>> .

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[Guest guest]

I don't think they get cooked out. Nitrates are pretty nasty stuff,

a known carcinogen. There's lots of info regarding nitrates and how

bad they are for you to ingest.

I've got some work to do this afternoon, but I'll try and look up the

seed info tomorrow and send to you.

Linn

> Linn - I am interested in these organic seeds. If you

> could look them up, that would be nice. Also, once the

> meat is cooked, would the nitrates still affect our

> health? I can't see spending so much more on organic

> just to get it without nitrates which may get cooked

> out?

>

>

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Doesn't the law just prohibit hormones and not anitbiotics in chicken?

Linn

> Another way to trick us into thinking they are free

> range when they can barely move. I guess it’s a little

> better than to stack them on top of each other in a

> cage the way they do it conventionally. This is what I

> heard. I’m not sure if there are any local farms in

> South Florida. I hope Whole Foods is getting them from

> local farms because that’s where I’ve been getting my

> meats.They are a publicly traded company, so I'm sure

> they have an agenda too.

>

> --- Ives wrote:

>

> > If you look closer at the package, it also states

> > that federal law prohibit

> > the use of growth hormones and antibiotics in

> > chicken.

>

[Guest guest]

There are antibiotics in the chick starter, because baby chicks are prone to

coccidia infection. I think they are kept on it for about 5 weeks, then

they to go regular layer pellets, which do not have antibiotics. Of course,

this is if the grower follows the suggested feeding program. I have heard

of some people keeping their birds on the medicated feed their entire life,

but they were indivudals who kept them for their own use and didn't sell

their eggs or meat.

Most layer pellets are heavily soy-based. I was buying organic layer

pellets for quite awhile, but the company was having an increasingly

difficult time finding organic, Non GMO soy, and the price went thorugh the

roof, to the point I couldn't afford it anymore. Blue Seal makes an organic

chicken feed now, as well. They don't give ingreidents in their feed ,but

here you can see an example of which feeds have antibiotics in them:

http://www.blueseal.com/livestock/poultry/feeds.php. You cannot find a

chick starter without antibiotics, so when I was raising mine up, I fed them

gamebird starter.

Not only do they have hormones from their environment, but they are also

vaccinated to within an inch of their life, so that they don't die within

the 20 weeks of their life before they are ready for slaughter.

Comparing organic eggs to regular non-organic commercial eggs is night and

day. BUT, compare those same organic eggs to the eggs grown in a backyard

situation, where the chickens have fresh air, sunlight, freedom to roam and

scratch, sunbathe, eat bugs and weeds they find, the eggs are FAR superior,

even if they are not organically fed. Its amazing the difference.

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~ The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical

invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.

-- Mark Twain, Notebook, 1935

Re: Re: high insulin keeps cortisol levels low

>I didn't realize that chickens weren't given hormones either but I'm

> sure is correct. I had a cousin who passed away a couple of

> years ago whose job it was to formulate poultry feed. Used to make a

> ton of money for working a couple of times a year. I think they

> spend a ton of money focusing on how to get bigger and bigger.

>

> They probably put that on the labels because so many of us think that

> there are hormones in the chicken. If the labels didn't say that

> many people probably wouldn't buy it. There are antibiotics in the

> chicken though and you do want to stay away from that. Plus I think

> all livestock is getting some form of hormones from all the chemicals

> we dump in the environment. Xenoestrogens are everywhere, it's

> impossible to avoid them, so unless they're giving livestock filtered

> water, it's in there.

>

> They do that all the time anyway, just look at all the labels of

> things that say fat free, a large percentage of them never had fat in

> them to begin with!! It's all about marketing.

>

> Linn

>

>

>

>> Hey, I thought all chicken contain hormones and

>> antibiotics. How do you know this? Then, how can

>> organic companies put " grown without hormones and

>> antibiotics " on the package? And, I am paying double

>> for this!

>>

>>

>>

>> --- Ives wrote:

>>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Fact_Sheets/Meat_ & _Poultry_Labeling_Terms/index.asp

" NO HORMONES (pork or poultry):

Hormones are not allowed in raising hogs or poultry. Therefore, the claim

" no hormones added " cannot be used on the labels of pork or poultry unless

it is followed by a statement that says " Federal regulations prohibit the

use of hormones. "

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~ The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical

invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.

-- Mark Twain, Notebook, 1935

Re: Re: high insulin keeps cortisol levels low

> OK I don;t think so. Chicken are given antibiotics just liek any other

> livestock. Go to a feed store and look around ther is a ton of water

> soluble antibiotics that are ussed in chickens. Having come from a

> veterinary background these things are comonly used to prevent

> respiratory diseases which are very common in chickens especially those

> raised and living indoors.

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, your right, its hormones not antibiotics.

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~ The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical

invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.

-- Mark Twain, Notebook, 1935

Re: Re: high insulin keeps cortisol levels low

,

Doesn't the law just prohibit hormones and not anitbiotics in chicken?

Linn

> Another way to trick us into thinking they are free

> range when they can barely move. I guess it's a little

> better than to stack them on top of each other in a

> cage the way they do it conventionally. This is what I

> heard. I'm not sure if there are any local farms in

> South Florida. I hope Whole Foods is getting them from

> local farms because that's where I've been getting my

> meats.They are a publicly traded company, so I'm sure

> they have an agenda too.

>

> --- Ives wrote:

>

> > If you look closer at the package, it also states

> > that federal law prohibit

> > the use of growth hormones and antibiotics in

> > chicken.

>

[Guest guest]

That's pretty humorous!!

Linn

> You can't take away me Lucky Charms...they're magically delicious!

>

> Remember the commercial? Why do so many kid's breakfast cereal

> commercials have the theme of taking away the cereal? Perhaps some

> subliminal messages to our children???

>

> Doesn't the Trix rabbit have the same theme? Freaky. Never thought

> about it until we started joking about my Lucky Charms thing!

>

>

>

> P.S. ~ And, have you looked at that leprechaun? He's freaky too!

> Looks scary...like a pedophile! " Come away with me, little boys, to

> the Land of Lucky Charms! "

>

> P.S.S ~ CLEARLY, it's time for me to get back to working, since I seem

> to be brimming with all manner of clever observations &

> ridiculousness! Hey, at least I'm feeling better!

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

The packages may say " free range " but from what I've read (The Omnivore's

Dilemma) the chickens are kept in cages with a door leading to a small square of

lawn. By the time they reach the stage in life where they are put in these

types of free range environments, they no longer wish to go outside...the door

stays open, but the hens don't budge. It's sad.

, you'd LOVE that book!

Ives wrote: If you look closer at the package, it

also states that federal law prohibit

the use of growth hormones and antibiotics in chicken.

What you want is organically fed, free-range chicken from a local farm.

" Free range " can mean that the chickens were not in a cage, but typically

they are kept in a gigantic barn, packed right next to each other, so there

is barely enough room for them to move.

Good ole big business has gotten into the government again and @#$#ed around

with the labeling.

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~ The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical

invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.

-- Mark Twain, Notebook, 1935

Re: Re: high insulin keeps

>> cortisol levels low

>>

>>

>> > There's some good info on Monsanto on the alt/med

>> group, lots of

>> > folks keep up with all that's going on with that.

>> It's definitely

>> > all about control and money. I do know that corn

>> specifically is

>> > supposed to all be genetically altered and that's

>> already in our food

>> > supply and has been for a while.

>> >

>> > That is pretty funny about the people thinking the

>> chickens were

>> > scrawny. Just goes to show that we've all been

>> taken in, most older

>> > people will still comment on how big the chickens

>> are now. Chicken

>> > breasts are twice the size they were when I was

>> growing up. All

>> > those lovely hormones!!

>> >

>> > I grew a lot stuff this past spring in our garden

>> at home. The

>> > tomatoes were awesome, full of the best kind of

>> enzymes!!

>> >

>> > Linn

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >> The big guys are still making profits, on every

>> single

>> >> seed bought in this country by farmers big and

>> small,

>> >> organic and non organic, even just a backyard

>> garden,

>> >> same thing.

>> >>

>> >> The only seeds anyone can use have been

>> genetically

>> >> altered, and from what I understand it's not even

>> >> possible to buy seed that hasn't been genetically

>> >> altered anymore.

>> >>

>> >>> .

>> >>

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

>> removed]

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Interestingly dog breeders use AI too. I found that odd. Seems like some

purebreeds forgot how to breed the natural way, lol!

-- Re: Re: high insulin keeps cortisol levels low

Hi Linn -- they don't put hormones in chicken feed, or inject them. They

have grown that huge due to selective breeding, and injecting a saline

solution into the meat before they freeze it (they are legally allowed to

add a certain amount of water for " freezability " or some such BS.

Did you know that ALL commercially grown turkeys now are reproducing via AI

(artificial insemination?) They have been bred to have such huge breasts

that they can no longer breed naturally. They also can barely walk, and are

crippled long before they hit the 20 week market age. Many of them die from

heart attacks, becuase their hearts cannot support their size.

It sickens me what we have done to all living things (animal and vegetable)

in the name of profits.

Hormones are most certainly in beef, however.

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~ The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical

invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.

-- Mark Twain, Notebook, 1935

Re: Re: high insulin keeps cortisol levels low

> There's some good info on Monsanto on the alt/med group, lots of

> folks keep up with all that's going on with that. It's definitely

> all about control and money. I do know that corn specifically is

> supposed to all be genetically altered and that's already in our food

> supply and has been for a while.

>

> That is pretty funny about the people thinking the chickens were

> scrawny. Just goes to show that we've all been taken in, most older

> people will still comment on how big the chickens are now. Chicken

> breasts are twice the size they were when I was growing up. All

> those lovely hormones!!

>

> I grew a lot stuff this past spring in our garden at home. The

> tomatoes were awesome, full of the best kind of enzymes!!

>

> Linn

>

>

>

>> The big guys are still making profits, on every single

>> seed bought in this country by farmers big and small,

>> organic and non organic, even just a backyard garden,

>> same thing.

>>

>> The only seeds anyone can use have been genetically

>> altered, and from what I understand it's not even

>> possible to buy seed that hasn't been genetically

>> altered anymore.

>>

>>> .

>>

>>

>

>

>

>