Re: Re: high insulin keeps cortisol levels low

November 7, 2006

In a message dated 07/11/2006 17:28:44 GMT Standard Time,

AngInfoHound@... writes:

Interrelated & complicated. Can someone just invent a pill to make

everything work?

I am taking somethng, a soluble fibre, called PGX to help with bringing my

insulin down. Also Gourdin made from Bitter Melon.

Just started recently as I believe I am pre-diabetic.

The GP was happy to give me Metformin for this purpose but I said no thanks

and would prefer to try a natural approach first as Metformin could be harsh

on my already suffering liver. He did concede, the GP, that even though my

blood sugar was borerline high, that it was perfectly possible that I could be

insulin resistant and on that slippery slope.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

November 7, 2006

In a message dated 07/11/2006 17:41:28 GMT Standard Time, bfsmo@...

writes:

I am trying to exercise slowly but haven't had much luck.

I can't do a lot of exercise at the moment either. I believe cinnamon is

also a good one for bringing down blood sugar.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

November 7, 2006

I have Insulin resistance too. I have still not been able to make any sense

out of it. I'm doing much better figuring out the adrenal/thyroid problems.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

I am trying to exercise slowly but haven't had much luck.

beebe

Re: high insulin keeps cortisol levels low

>

> However, when blood insulin levels are kept high, cortisol levels

remain

> low. By stimulating higher blood insulin levels, a sports drink

containing

> carbohydrate and protein reduces cortisol release more than

conventional sports

> drinks and thereby reduces protein breakdown.

>

OK, now we're getting somewhere, because supposedly I have IR, which

is high insulin.

How the hell do you reduce the insulin? Don't even tell me exercise,

because I was and it made a minor difference, but still didn't prevent

the adrenal crash...

Interrelated & complicated. Can someone just invent a pill to make

everything work? Oh yeah, they already did...synthroid. LOLOLOLOL!!!

Warmly,

November 7, 2006

You don't necessarily have high insulin with insulin resistance. You

want your body to work correctly and fix the insulin resistance, not

lower the insulin. See that's how big pharma has us trained, to want

to treat the symptom, not fix the problem causing it.

Linn

>

> OK, now we're getting somewhere, because supposedly I have IR, which

> is high insulin.

>

> How the hell do you reduce the insulin? Don't even tell me exercise,

> because I was and it made a minor difference, but still didn't prevent

> the adrenal crash...

>

> Interrelated & complicated. Can someone just invent a pill to make

> everything work? Oh yeah, they already did...synthroid. LOLOLOLOL!!!

>

> Warmly,

>

November 7, 2006

Is that what Metformin is supposed to do....lower the insulin?

Re: high insulin keeps cortisol levels low

>

> You don't necessarily have high insulin with insulin resistance. You

> want your body to work correctly and fix the insulin resistance, not

> lower the insulin. See that's how big pharma has us trained, to want

> to treat the symptom, not fix the problem causing it.

>

You're right, Linn...that is big brother pharma think!

Question is, how does one correct the IR vs. lower the insulin. You

are so right, because my insulin is well within range on the glucose

tolerance test, as is my glucose.

Unless, of course, this is, once again, really just about the adrenals...?

November 7, 2006

>>Is that what Metformin is supposed to do....lower the insulin?<<

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Mechanism of action

The exact mechanism of action

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanism_of_action> of metformin is

uncertain despite its known therapeutic benefits. Its mode of action

appears to be reduction of hepatic gluconeogenesis

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis>, decreased absoption of

glucose from the GI tract

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastrointestinal_tract>, and reduced

insulin insensitivity. Clinically, the 'average' type 2 diabetic has

three times the normal rate of gluconeogenesis. Metformin treatment

reduces this by one third to two thirds. It has been shown that

metformin also decreases intestinal absorption of glucose. A third

mechanism is that metformin improves insulin sensitivity by increasing

peripheral glucose uptake and utilization (although such an effect will

occur nonspecifically following the lowering of glucose however

achieved). Zhou /et al/ showed that metformin stimulates the hepatic

enzyme AMP-activated protein kinase

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMP-activated_protein_kinase>.^[2]

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metformin#_note-Zhou>

^from this website:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metformin

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November 7, 2006

The only way I know to control IR is to cut out sugars and carbs.

Best,

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Re: high insulin keeps cortisol levels low

>

>>

>> However, when blood insulin levels are kept high, cortisol levels

> remain

>> low. By stimulating higher blood insulin levels, a sports drink

> containing

>> carbohydrate and protein reduces cortisol release more than

> conventional sports

>> drinks and thereby reduces protein breakdown.

>>

>

> OK, now we're getting somewhere, because supposedly I have IR, which

> is high insulin.

>

> How the hell do you reduce the insulin? Don't even tell me exercise,

> because I was and it made a minor difference, but still didn't prevent

> the adrenal crash...

>

> Interrelated & complicated. Can someone just invent a pill to make

> everything work? Oh yeah, they already did...synthroid. LOLOLOLOL!!!

>

> Warmly,

>

November 7, 2006

LALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!!

*s*

I'm off all sugars and 90% of carbs, and I can't say I'm 100% better, but

there is definately a difference. I feel GREAT when I eat carbs, but crash

horribly after a couple of hours. The worst for me is hot oatmeal, for some

reason. I don't know why. I've even tried the unsweetened stuff, and just

added cinnamon (good for IR, btw) and diced apples, and still get that

horrible crash.

Best,

http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~ The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical

invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.

-- Mark Twain, Notebook, 1935

Re: high insulin keeps cortisol levels low

> What was that, ? I couldn't hear you... : 0

>

>> >>

>> >> However, when blood insulin levels are kept high, cortisol levels

>> > remain

>> >> low. By stimulating higher blood insulin levels, a sports drink

>> > containing

>> >> carbohydrate and protein reduces cortisol release more than

>> > conventional sports

>> >> drinks and thereby reduces protein breakdown.

>> >>

>> >

>> > OK, now we're getting somewhere, because supposedly I have IR, which

>> > is high insulin.

>> >

>> > How the hell do you reduce the insulin? Don't even tell me exercise,

>> > because I was and it made a minor difference, but still didn't prevent

>> > the adrenal crash...

>> >

>> > Interrelated & complicated. Can someone just invent a pill to make

>> > everything work? Oh yeah, they already did...synthroid. LOLOLOLOL!!!

>> >

>> > Warmly,

>> >

November 7, 2006

Well it depends, many times people are insulin resistant because of

the type of food they eat, the main culprits being sugar and the

types of oils they consume. It just depends on how long it goes on

how much damage gets caused. Most of us eat lots of transfatty acids

which are very bad for us. There's a lot of info regarding bad oils

actually causing Type 2 diabetes. Many of us don't get any or very

little of the proper fats that we need. Lots of people can correct

this by making alterations in cutting out those bad items and

replacing them with good fats. Udo Erasmus wrote a book called " Fats

that Heal, Fats that Kill " that explains all about this. You can

also get some good excerpts of his book and lots of info on his

website at www.udoerasmus.com, also Weston A. Price Foundation would

have lots of good info regarding fats on their website. Fats are

vitally important to our bodies and our food supply has been severely

altered of the good fats that we need to be healthy. Many illnesses

that people get now are caused by what we eat. We trust the food

manufacturers and they don't deserve it one iota. They care nothing

about nutrition, only about what will enhance taste and sell more

product. I saw a video the other day on nutrition that stated that

this generation of kids now will be the first generation to NOT

outlive their parents. Our kid's life expectancy is declining.

That's a scary statement, but I have no doubt it's true at all. Type

2 diabetes is virtually an epidemic in children under 12 now. That

is unfathomable to me. It used to take most of us close to 40 years

or better to develop diabetes. Big business has taken over the food

industry and it's high time we took it back from them. The food

industry has insidiously taken over all the farming in this country

and turned it into big business right under our noses over the last

35 years. It's all about growing the most on the least amount of

land, or raising the most chicken or cattle in the most inhumane

ways, who cares as long as it reaps more profit. Lots of people now

refuse to shop their regular grocery stores and are buying food from

local organic farmers. That's what we're starting to do. We're in

the process of forming a coop so we can buy locally at pretty good

prices. We can get organic food, with no antibiotics, hormones or

chemicals from good sources. It's a rebellion of sorts and I think

it's a great idea. Cut out the big guys, no buyers, no profits!!

Linn

>

> >

> > You don't necessarily have high insulin with insulin resistance. You

> > want your body to work correctly and fix the insulin resistance, not

> > lower the insulin. See that's how big pharma has us trained, to want

> > to treat the symptom, not fix the problem causing it.

> >

> You're right, Linn...that is big brother pharma think!

>

> Question is, how does one correct the IR vs. lower the insulin. You

> are so right, because my insulin is well within range on the glucose

> tolerance test, as is my glucose.

>

> Unless, of course, this is, once again, really just about the

> adrenals...?

>

> .

>

November 7, 2006

She means you have to toss those Lucky Charms!!

Linn

> What was that, ? I couldn't hear you... : 0

>

> >

> > The only way I know to control IR is to cut out sugars and carbs.

> >

> > Best,

> >

> > http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> > http://www.CurlyRescue.com

> >

>> .

>

November 7, 2006

The big guys are still making profits, on every single

seed bought in this country by farmers big and small,

organic and non organic, even just a backyard garden,

same thing.

The only seeds anyone can use have been genetically

altered, and from what I understand it's not even

possible to buy seed that hasn't been genetically

altered anymore.

It's been a few years back so my memory might be a bit

hazy on the details, but if I remember right it was

just a few of the very largest companies such as

Monsanto, who bought out the entire market, froze out

the previous seed market, and put their own

genetically altered products out. And this was

APPROVED! There were some VERY iffy issues about what

exactly they had cloned and genetically altered about

the seeds, and doing unhealthy types of tampering with

them.

I remember some sort of lawsuit several years back

about it. Don't remember how it turned out, but I was

just shocked to find out that there was no place in

the entire country at that time that wasn't forced to

sell or use these genetically altered seeds, or get

the crap sued out of them by Monsanto and the others.

I don't know if that ever changed, but I never heard

that it did, so I'm not sure. Maybe someone else

remembers more. Gotta watch those guys!

Agreed on the organic thing whenever possible - a

friend of mine went to buy an organic chicken for the

first time the other day and was TOTALLY grossed out.

" But it's so scrawny and little!! What's wrong with

it! " lolol

--- Linn wrote:

It's all about growing the most on the

> least amount of

> land, or raising the most chicken or cattle in the

> most inhumane

> ways, who cares as long as it reaps more profit.

> Lots of people now

> refuse to shop their regular grocery stores and are

> buying food from

> local organic farmers. That's what we're starting

> to do. We're in

> the process of forming a coop so we can buy locally

> at pretty good

> prices. We can get organic food, with no

> antibiotics, hormones or

> chemicals from good sources. It's a rebellion of

> sorts and I think

> it's a great idea. Cut out the big guys, no buyers,

> no profits!!

>

> Linn

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November 7, 2006

There's some good info on Monsanto on the alt/med group, lots of

folks keep up with all that's going on with that. It's definitely

all about control and money. I do know that corn specifically is

supposed to all be genetically altered and that's already in our food

supply and has been for a while.

That is pretty funny about the people thinking the chickens were

scrawny. Just goes to show that we've all been taken in, most older

people will still comment on how big the chickens are now. Chicken

breasts are twice the size they were when I was growing up. All

those lovely hormones!!

I grew a lot stuff this past spring in our garden at home. The

tomatoes were awesome, full of the best kind of enzymes!!

Linn

> The big guys are still making profits, on every single

> seed bought in this country by farmers big and small,

> organic and non organic, even just a backyard garden,

> same thing.

>

> The only seeds anyone can use have been genetically

> altered, and from what I understand it's not even

> possible to buy seed that hasn't been genetically

> altered anymore.

>

>> .

>

November 7, 2006

We're going to have to send a nasty little leprechaun to steal them

from you!!

Linn

> I can't hear you either, Linn!!! There must be something wrong with

> the speakers on this computer!

>

> : )

>

> Actually, since I've been on the HC, I really haven't had any desire

> for super sugary stuff, with the exception of my progesterone overdose

> day or two.

>

> Unfortunately, I think I was caught on film in CARBS GONE WILD. I'm

> gonna sue them...they didn't have permission to film me pouring Lucky

> Charms directly from the box into my mouth!

>

> Warmly,

>

November 8, 2006

Linn,

I read a book called The Omnivore's Dilemma and that really opened my

eyes...even to what is termed " organic " at the grocery stores.

We found a local organic farm that we can order from...they sell everything from

sprouts to meat and eggs. And I'd LOVE to form a coop but that is difficult

here in south Florida where fast food reigns!

My husbands step kids eat nothing but processed/fast food and his youngest is in

terrible health...already told he has heart problems.

Thanks for being a warrior on here and at home. We need more like you!

Linn wrote: Well it depends, many times

people are insulin resistant because of