Re: progesterone & bleeding

November 1, 2006

My progesterone is definitely low...how low for sure overall, I don't

know.

That combined with the adrenal problems certainly isn't helping anything.

I found references that adrenal insufficiency can cause bleeding.

Although I recently started on HC, I think it may be too little too

late, with respect to the menstrual issues.

Also, still being very hypo does not help matters, I'm sure. Just

about everything I've googled mentions testing thyroid.

Basically, I just need to get everything stabilized.

I am frustrated with all of this. I just want to get better. This is

certainly not helping in the stress dept.

Again, yet another negative feedback loop!

So, today I have a call in to my new DO. We'll see what he has to

say. I still haven't gotten a chance to post about that appt...some

good, some I'm not sure about.

However the analysis on the DO will have to wait, because although I

may need to go through my OB/GYN ultimately, I wouldn't mind if they

work together on this, and I'm sure that he is more likely to go with

a bio-ID option, rather than Provera.

The OB/GYN is open to bio-ID, I just think that she doesn't really

know a lot about it. When she mentioned Provera as an option, I said

that as we had previously discussed, I don't do well with non-bio-ID.

She again said that she may send me to the local compounding pharmacy

for bloodwork. We left it at that & to wait to see how it went Mon &

Tues. Well, now that it's Wed, I need to take action.

So, I'm waiting to hear from the DO with his suggestions. Then based

on that, I may ask him to consult with the OB/GYN.

The one thing that I feel VERY STRONGLY about is NO PROCEDURES. I

really don't think that I'm strong enough & stable enough on the HC to

go through any procedures. So everyone is going to have to put their

thinking caps on & come up with an alternative.

Linn, you mentioned flooding...I think that's what I'm having. Is it

just actual " bleeding " with very little clotting at all?

Well, the good thing is that my OB/GYN doesn't think it's normal.

I think that she's kind of tentative about the whole thing for a

couple of reasons.

First, I've just moved recently, so ALL of my drs are new to me. I've

only had a consult with this OB/GYN, since when I was scheduled for my

annual exam with her, I was going through my first round of

extendo-bleeding. When I mentioned the adrenal problems, she was

definitely concerned, but willing to defer to the DO, whom I had not

yet seen, but was scheduled to visit a week after my appt with the OB/GYN.

When I had the miscarriage in August, I saw an NP at the OB/GYN's

office. Quite a way to kick off a relationship. Plus, when I had my

consultation, I was - to borrow a phrase from I think Mo or Amy here -

like death on a cracker!

Anyway, that's today's saga. Can't wait for the day that I'm getting

back to normal!

>

> ,

>

> If you're progesterone is out of balance with the estrogen, it can

> cause some serious bleeding issues. I ended up with adenomyosis from

> this and came very close to having a hysterectomy. I was able to

> find a doctor who specializes in bio-identical hormones and have

> cured my adeno by taking micronized progesterone. I can easily

> identify with the bleeding problems, mine were horrible. I ended up

> anemic because of it, also had very bad problems with flooding, huge

> clots and severe pain. My old doctor just kept telling me it was

> normal for women my age. Total BS.

>

> Linn

>

November 1, 2006

Good luck and please let us know how it all goes when

you can. I know what it's like and how frustrating it

can be. You will get better! It's just a matter of

getting everything back in balance.

So sorry about your miscarriage in August, .

From what I understand, low Progesterone is also a

common cause of miscarriage.

Sure hope this DO works out well for the adrenal

issues too, that would be AWESOME. Glad your doc is

open to bioid hormones too, good deal.

--- angesc2001 wrote:

> My progesterone is definitely low...how low for sure

> overall, I don't

> know.

>

> That combined with the adrenal problems certainly

> isn't helping anything.

>

> I found references that adrenal insufficiency can

> cause bleeding.

>

> Although I recently started on HC, I think it may be

> too little too

> late, with respect to the menstrual issues.

>

> Also, still being very hypo does not help matters,

> I'm sure. Just

> about everything I've googled mentions testing

> thyroid.

>

> Basically, I just need to get everything stabilized.

>

> I am frustrated with all of this. I just want to

> get better. This is

> certainly not helping in the stress dept.

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November 1, 2006

,

The flooding was a rush of bleeding, very fast at one time. So fast

that nothing you would be wearing product wise would help because of

the amount of blood at one time. It got to the point that I could

not leave the house for a couple of days every month. No warning

either when it would happen. Thyroid issues can also be related to

bleeding problems in addition to progesterone. Usually it's more

progesterone related though. Definitely stay away from synthetic

progesterone, it will only make you feel worse and the side effects

are not worth it.

Linn

> My progesterone is definitely low...how low for sure overall, I don't

> know.

>

> That combined with the adrenal problems certainly isn't helping

> anything.

>

> I found references that adrenal insufficiency can cause bleeding.

>

> Although I recently started on HC, I think it may be too little too

> late, with respect to the menstrual issues.

>

> Also, still being very hypo does not help matters, I'm sure. Just

> about everything I've googled mentions testing thyroid.

>

November 1, 2006

,

I had an episode of heavy bleeding like that 3-1/2 years ago. It was a

nightmare - I remember it well! It started off as a heavy period, then escalated

until I was soaking through the heaviest tampon every 10-15 minutes. This went

on for days, and I went to the Gyne and we decided to do a D & C. I didn't know

about any of the things we talk about here, so I went for it, as it sounded much

better than the horrible bleeding, and I knew someone else who had done it. For

me it seems it was a good choice. It stopped the bleeding and they tested the

tissue and found nothing, which was good. I have never had an episode again, but

then I think I am older than you (53) and was entering meno anyway, and now my

periods have pretty much stopped - haven't had one for several months (YEA!). So

for me it was a good choice. He never mentioned a hysterectomy, which I wouldn't

have gone for anyway - no one removes MY body parts - over my dead body! I am

using prog. cream right now as I am

estrogen dominant. Can't wait to be optimized; am new at this so might take a

while <SIGH>

November 2, 2006

>

> ,

> I had an episode of heavy bleeding like that 3-1/2 years ago. It

was a nightmare - I remember it well! It started off as a heavy

period, then escalated until I was soaking through the heaviest tampon

every 10-15 minutes.

Geez, every 10-15 minutes...I guess I'm doing pretty well at an hour!

This went on for days, and I went to the Gyne and we decided to do a D & C.

In a different setting I probably would have done the same. My

biggest concern is that I just started the HC & don't really feel

" stabilized " yet on it with the adrenal fatigue, and therefore didn't

want to go the anesthesia route.

I didn't know about any of the things we talk about here, so I went

for it, as it sounded much better than the horrible bleeding, and I

knew someone else who had done it.

Isn't that one of the beauties of what we have here?! As women we

share so much here, and we can all learn from one another's

experience. Look at how many of you responded with options! When I

googled this problem, I didn't get nearly the comprehensive info or

options that you've all given me here.

For me it seems it was a good choice. It stopped the bleeding and they

tested the tissue and found nothing, which was good. I have never had

an episode again, but then I think I am older than you (53) and was

entering meno anyway, and now my periods have pretty much stopped -

haven't had one for several months (YEA!).

Yeah, since I'm 39, I'm glad to have received all of the progesterone

info here, as well as all of the saliva testing info, that led me to

research & start to learn about all of this.

I hadn't really taken the time to learn about the female hormones,

since I spent so much of my time researching first thyroid, then

adrenals. Thought I had a little bit of time yet for the female

hormone issue, but I guess not!

In fact, I think that my low progesterone has played a much more major

role in this than I thought, both as a precursor to cortisol, and

with respect to thyroid function. I'm not sure exactly how it affects

thyroid function, but my understanding is that it does. More research

is in order, I guess!

Thanks so much for your support, !

Warmly,

November 2, 2006

,

I understand how you are feeling, the loss of blood makes you feel very weak,

at least it did for me. I know what you mean by the never ending period! LOLOL!

I can laugh now, but at the time it was very traumatic and scary. I had one

other episode of months of heavy periods, years and years ago - it was due to an

IUD I had forgotten about. Felt like a dummy for forgetting about it, too. It

got removed and the problem went away. Doc said that infertility could be an

issue, and I said, not for me - had my three and not interested in more, so that

was never an issue with me. But the episode 3.5 years ago was truly horrific

because the loss of blood volume wise was so much - I sure hope you are able to

get yours resolved soon! You may be anemic due to loss of blood, so be sure to

get your iron checked when this is over.

C.

November 6, 2006

Hi - progesterone supports the thyroid and estrogen is

antagonistic. The progesterone sensitizes both the estrogen &

thyroid hormone receptor sites, allowing you to use them more

efficiently. A little bit of info here:

http://www.drrind.com/estrogen.asp

http://allonhealth.com/natural-progesterone/hypothyroidism.htm

http://www.yourlifesource.com/progesterone-thyroid.htm

Conversely, T3 thyroid is important in stimulating the release of

progesterone from the luteum:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=9846161 & dopt=Abstract

>>>>n fact, I think that my low progesterone has played a much more

major role in this than I thought, both as a precursor to cortisol,

and

with respect to thyroid function. I'm not sure exactly how it

affects

thyroid function, but my understanding is that it does. More

research

is in order, I guess!<<<

> Warmly,

>

November 6, 2006

Thank you for these fascinating links!

The following from Dr. Rind's site probably explains why my lingering

adrenal fatigue went to a crisis state after the miscarriage...I

probably had an anovulatory cycle or two, which I understand to be

common after miscarriage, and what little progesterone the corpus

luteum creates wasn't created in an anovulatory cycle!

When the adrenals are stressed, the increased need for cortisol

depletes the progesterone levels used in making cortisol. As more

progesterone is shunted or sequestered to make cortisol, less is

available to balance off the estrogen. Another common reason for low

progesterone levels is an anovulatory cycle (a menstrual cycle in

which there is no ovulation). Without the ovulation there is no corpus

luteum to make additional progesterone for the cycle. The lowered

progesterone level leaves us with an excessive estrogenic effect due

to deficiency of progesterone.

T3 required to release progesterone from the luteum...talk about a

vicious cycle! Since I was having adrenal issues & couldn't tolerate

the Armour increases, my endo lowered my meds, which would make it

less likely to release P from the luteum.

I am beginning to gain a scientific understanding of my decline,

starting from about March 2006!

The thyroid -> progesterone -> thyroid vicious cycle also explains

something that my previous endo couldn't...why I would have a " hyper "

day when LH peaked when I was on higher doses of thyroid meds!

Even though I was still feeling hypo the rest of the month, I would

feel hyper when LH peaked, and that was then because I was on enough

thyroid meds to release a little bit of progesterone, which probably

in turn got turned to cortisol one stinking day a month, and voila!

mini thyroid dump & hyper for a day!

Amazing!

Warmly,

>

> Hi - progesterone supports the thyroid and estrogen is

> antagonistic. The progesterone sensitizes both the estrogen &

> thyroid hormone receptor sites, allowing you to use them more

> efficiently. A little bit of info here:

>

> http://www.drrind.com/estrogen.asp

> http://allonhealth.com/natural-progesterone/hypothyroidism.htm

> http://www.yourlifesource.com/progesterone-thyroid.htm

>

> Conversely, T3 thyroid is important in stimulating the release of

> progesterone from the luteum:

> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

> cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=9846161 & dopt=Abstract

>

> >>>>n fact, I think that my low progesterone has played a much more

> major role in this than I thought, both as a precursor to cortisol,

> and

> with respect to thyroid function. I'm not sure exactly how it

> affects

> thyroid function, but my understanding is that it does. More

> research

> is in order, I guess!<<<

>

> > Warmly,

> >

>

November 6, 2006

And don't forget, if your " good " Cholesterol is low,

you won't be able to make as much Progesterone from it

either. Cholesterol is the main precursor for

Progesterone.

My " good " cholesterol tested low last Tuesday, so I'm

in the process of bringing it back up where it should

be. Anyone have any good suggestions for doing this?

And I've been producing almost no Progesterone for a

long time now. PLUS being low Free T3. And adrenal

fatigue. Yes it sure is a vicious circle.

It's good to know though, I had NO idea that T3

stimulates the luteum to produce progesterone until

last night when I read it on this list. I'll be

printing out several of those studies to take in to my

Dr. next time I go. Awesome info! This list rocks!

--- angesc2001 wrote:

> Thank you for these fascinating links!

>

> The following from Dr. Rind's site probably explains

> why my lingering

> adrenal fatigue went to a crisis state after the

> miscarriage...I

> probably had an anovulatory cycle or two, which I

> understand to be

> common after miscarriage, and what little

> progesterone the corpus

> luteum creates wasn't created in an anovulatory

> cycle!

>

> When the adrenals are stressed, the increased need

> for cortisol

> depletes the progesterone levels used in making

> cortisol. As more

> progesterone is shunted or sequestered to make

> cortisol, less is

> available to balance off the estrogen. Another

> common reason for low

> progesterone levels is an anovulatory cycle (a

> menstrual cycle in

> which there is no ovulation). Without the ovulation

> there is no corpus

> luteum to make additional progesterone for the

> cycle. The lowered

> progesterone level leaves us with an excessive

> estrogenic effect due

> to deficiency of progesterone.

>

> T3 required to release progesterone from the

> luteum...talk about a

> vicious cycle! Since I was having adrenal issues &

> couldn't tolerate

> the Armour increases, my endo lowered my meds, which

> would make it

> less likely to release P from the luteum.

>

> I am beginning to gain a scientific understanding of

> my decline,

> starting from about March 2006!

>

> The thyroid -> progesterone -> thyroid vicious cycle

> also explains

> something that my previous endo couldn't...why I

> would have a " hyper "

> day when LH peaked when I was on higher doses of

> thyroid meds!

>

> Even though I was still feeling hypo the rest of the

> month, I would

> feel hyper when LH peaked, and that was then because

> I was on enough

> thyroid meds to release a little bit of

> progesterone, which probably

> in turn got turned to cortisol one stinking day a

> month, and voila!

> mini thyroid dump & hyper for a day!

>

> Amazing!

>

> Warmly,

>

> >

> > Hi - progesterone supports the thyroid and

> estrogen is

> > antagonistic. The progesterone sensitizes both the

> estrogen &

> > thyroid hormone receptor sites, allowing you to

> use them more

> > efficiently. A little bit of info here:

> >

> > http://www.drrind.com/estrogen.asp

> >

>

http://allonhealth.com/natural-progesterone/hypothyroidism.htm

> >

>

http://www.yourlifesource.com/progesterone-thyroid.htm

> >

> > Conversely, T3 thyroid is important in stimulating

> the release of

> > progesterone from the luteum:

> > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

> >

>

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=9846161 & dopt=Abstract

> >

> > >>>>n fact, I think that my low progesterone has

> played a much more

> > major role in this than I thought, both as a

> precursor to cortisol,

> > and

> > with respect to thyroid function. I'm not sure

> exactly how it

> > affects

> > thyroid function, but my understanding is that it

> does. More

> > research

> > is in order, I guess!<<<

> >

> > > Warmly,

> > >

> >

>

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November 6, 2006

How does one figure out how much Armour they need?

-- Re: progesterone & bleeding