Re: adrenal crisis

November 3, 2006

How much thyroid are you taking? CUT it back as that will lighten the

load on the adrenals. RELAX you sound like you are working your self up

into this and making things worse. You cannot have an adrenal crisis

while pumping HC into you.

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November 4, 2006

In a message dated 11/4/2006 2:25:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

phonicity@... writes:

But you're NOT giving up...simply by being here, writing to us, trying to

discover the right thing to do for your body SHOWS that you are NOT giving up!

Take pride in that! And keep fighting!!!

...you could not have said any better!

Helen

November 4, 2006

>

> I think I'm in adrenal crisis. I went to the ER last night after

> having severe nausea, shaking, chest pain, tachycardia, chills, and

> felt like I was losing consciousness. I stressed dosed my HC. I

> mean I really stressed dosed it. I kept taking more pills, cause

> these waves kept coming over me. I was sure my heart was going to

> stop. I don't even know the total amount I stress dosed. The

> doctor didn't really do much for me, except tell me I wasn't having

> a heart attack and wrote a script for Xanex for anxiety and

> Phenergen for the nausea.

>

Hi, Amy,

Hope you are feeling better today. Here's an interesting link...

http://www.cushings-help.com/911.htm

Take care!

Warmly,

November 4, 2006

Yeah, something about feeling like you're going to die makes it easy

to get worked up. I had cariopulmonary collapse when I was in labor

almost 6 years ago, so I know what it feels like. This felt eerily

like it, but things have calmed down a bit, so I think I'm through the

worst of it.

But still, I'm now exhausted and spent. This is NOT living. I'm

tired of being sick and tired, and I'm tired of being a burden to my

family. I can't live like this much longer.......it simply isn't

worth it. I don't think I'm doing anyone any good by being on the

earth like this. I think I'm running out of alternatives very

quickly. I feel like giving up.

>

> How much thyroid are you taking? CUT it back as that will lighten

the

> load on the adrenals. RELAX you sound like you are working your self

up

> into this and making things worse. You cannot have an adrenal crisis

> while pumping HC into you.

>

> --

November 4, 2006

Hi Amy,

I just wanted to say that many times in my life when I was at the

end and at the point of " giving up " the greatest changes and answers

come forth to allow for healing in my life. This healing is on many

levels not just the physical! I think many of us do not realize that

we are a blessing to those around us despite what physical issues we

are going thru. The only way to truly fail is to give up. Please do

not do so, know you have lots of people that truly care and love

you, and especially as I recall, a precious 5 yr old girl! Our

prayers are certainly with you and I hope that very soon you get

sorted out the various meds/supplements to balance you out.

Warmly,

Duane

> >

> > How much thyroid are you taking? CUT it back as that will

lighten

> the

> > load on the adrenals. RELAX you sound like you are working your

self

> up

> > into this and making things worse. You cannot have an adrenal

crisis

> > while pumping HC into you.

> >

> > --

>

November 4, 2006

Amy,

Have you tried adding any type of a greens supplement to your

regime? IMO for those suffering adrenal problems, this would be a

big help. Loaded with lots of B vitamins, added into a liquid form,

easily absorbable and nourishing to the body. HC and thyroid

supplements will help you out of the crisis but it's vitally

important to nourish the body to regain your health and well being.

I am about 3 1/2 months into my new regime of HC, Armour and all the

supplements I take and I cannot believe how much better I feel and

specifically the mental aspect of well being. I am firm believer in

the body's ability to heal itself, you just have to give it what it

needs and eliminate all the bad stuff. I am currently in the process

of weaning off of HC as I have been through numerous stressful events

this past month and sailed through with no problems. It's time to

try. One of the reasons I think I've been successful though is that

I have supplemented in many other areas that I was deficient in

also. I would highly recommend reading about nutrition at

thedoctorwithin.com, Dr. Tim O'Shea's website, you will find many

helpful and insightful items there. Doctoryourself.com is also a

great source of information.

For the heart symptoms, IMO check out magnesium, biotin, ferritin,

and CoQ10 levels. You can find resources for symptoms of low levels

of all of these online.

What other types of meds are you on, OTC or otherwise?

Linn

> Yeah, something about feeling like you're going to die makes it easy

> to get worked up. I had cariopulmonary collapse when I was in labor

> almost 6 years ago, so I know what it feels like. This felt eerily

> like it, but things have calmed down a bit, so I think I'm through the

> worst of it.

>

> But still, I'm now exhausted and spent. This is NOT living. I'm

> tired of being sick and tired, and I'm tired of being a burden to my

> family. I can't live like this much longer.......it simply isn't

> worth it. I don't think I'm doing anyone any good by being on the

> earth like this. I think I'm running out of alternatives very

> quickly. I feel like giving up.

>

> .

>

November 4, 2006

But you're NOT giving up...simply by being here, writing to us, trying to

discover the right thing to do for your body SHOWS that you are NOT giving up!

Take pride in that! And keep fighting!!!

We all have our low points and we need to vent and say we want to give up. We

need a rest from the fight to get well! Then once you've seen and heard how

many of us are feeling similarly...have been there done that...you can draw

energy from that and use it to hang in there just one more day...one more

hour...one more minute!

No matter what shape you're in, you are needed and vital and worthy of whatever

care you are receiving!

I used to be the care-taker for my family...elder parents and dysfunctional

siblings. I wore myself out and then became the one needing care. I see that

just by being present in my family's lives, I'm now giving them the opportunity

to learn how to give and problem-solve and such. This is an important lesson

that would otherwise not be learned if there were not people in our lives who

needed care.

You are so IMPORTANT! Try to take comfort in this. All these present problems

WILL PASS!!!

Sending you love and warmth,

anewkirk30 wrote: Yeah, something about feeling like

you're going to die makes it easy

to get worked up. I had cariopulmonary collapse when I was in labor

almost 6 years ago, so I know what it feels like. This felt eerily

like it, but things have calmed down a bit, so I think I'm through the

worst of it.

But still, I'm now exhausted and spent. This is NOT living. I'm

tired of being sick and tired, and I'm tired of being a burden to my

family. I can't live like this much longer.......it simply isn't

worth it. I don't think I'm doing anyone any good by being on the

earth like this. I think I'm running out of alternatives very

quickly. I feel like giving up.

>

> How much thyroid are you taking? CUT it back as that will lighten

the

> load on the adrenals. RELAX you sound like you are working your self

up

> into this and making things worse. You cannot have an adrenal crisis

> while pumping HC into you.

>

> --

November 4, 2006

In a message dated 11/4/2006 7:45:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Ask the doctors that prescribe 60-80 mg a day pf PRed. But this is not the

point.

when I was sick post partum, I was on 200mg a day intervenous!

Helen

November 4, 2006

In a message dated 11/4/2006 8:03:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

>>when I was sick post partum, I was on 200mg a day intervenous!<<

And this is probably why you have such severe adrenal fatigue now.

No doubt. they almost killed me. Val. That was overkill!

November 4, 2006

Were you ever diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome?

Re: adrenal crisis

Yeah, something about feeling like you're going to die makes it easy

to get worked up. I had cariopulmonary collapse when I was in labor

almost 6 years ago, so I know what it feels like. This felt eerily

like it, but things have calmed down a bit, so I think I'm through the

worst of it.

But still, I'm now exhausted and spent. This is NOT living. I'm

tired of being sick and tired, and I'm tired of being a burden to my

family. I can't live like this much longer.......it simply isn't

worth it. I don't think I'm doing anyone any good by being on the

earth like this. I think I'm running out of alternatives very

quickly. I feel like giving up.

>

> How much thyroid are you taking? CUT it back as that will lighten

the

> load on the adrenals. RELAX you sound like you are working your self

up

> into this and making things worse. You cannot have an adrenal crisis

> while pumping HC into you.

>

> --

November 4, 2006

Amy,

You cannot be in adrenal crisis taking that much cortef. Have you ever been

diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome or does it sound like you? If you like,

contact me off list. I'd like to talk w/you privately.

adrenal crisis

I think I'm in adrenal crisis. I went to the ER last night after

having severe nausea, shaking, chest pain, tachycardia, chills, and

felt like I was losing consciousness. I stressed dosed my HC. I

mean I really stressed dosed it. I kept taking more pills, cause

these waves kept coming over me. I was sure my heart was going to

stop. I don't even know the total amount I stress dosed. The

doctor didn't really do much for me, except tell me I wasn't having

a heart attack and wrote a script for Xanex for anxiety and

Phenergen for the nausea.

I went up to 30 mg a day of HC a couple of weeks ago. Now I think

I've completely suppressed the HPA axis and have no adrenal

reserve. I wasn't worried about that b/c I thought I could stress

dose extra HC when I needed to. But last night, the stress dosing

didn't help, and I took a lot. I can't even tell you how much I

took.

Okay, I'm scared. Really scared. Afraid I've gotten myself so

unbalanced that I'm in serious danger. I have an appointment with a

new endocrinologist next week. I'm not a big fan of endos, but

something has to give here.

Anyone have any words of wisdom? Cause I'm terrified. I have a 5

year old daughter. She needs me. I don't want to leave her.

Amy

November 4, 2006

>>You cannot be in adrenal crisis taking that much cortef.<<

You just can't say that ! If her body is used to 80mg of cortisol it CAN

go into crisis from having only 40mg.

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November 4, 2006

Val,

Why would anybody take 80 mgs. of cortisol? Even 's people only need

about 20 mgs. per day average.

Re: adrenal crisis

>>You cannot be in adrenal crisis taking that much cortef.<<

You just can't say that ! If her body is used to 80mg of cortisol it CAN

go into crisis from having only 40mg.

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November 4, 2006

>>Why would anybody take 80 mgs. of cortisol? Even 's people only need

about 20 mgs. per day average.<<

Ask the doctors that prescribe 60-80 mg a day pf PRed. But this is not the

point. For adrenal fatigue no one should take that much except under huge

stress. But your body and adrenals are not functioning well with adrenal fatigue

and maybe they have been producing that much as first stages of adrenal fatigue

and in cases with adrenal antibodies when they CAN make that much in a day

easily. They can make up to 200mg a day when thye have to and are funcitoning.

Once your body gets USED to those high levels as in Cushings, you can go into

adrenal crisis even with 40mg a day replacement.

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November 4, 2006

>>Even 's people only need about 20 mgs. per day average.<<

So I have been told by certain people, HOWEVER. I joined an 's list abotu

2 years ago and the AVERAGE was 35-40MG a day when they were actually able to

use HC. So don't believe everything you are told.This came from the horses

mouths so to speak. And yes, I have read the studies and the are all from Endos

who also tell us that TSH is gold and T4 is all you need when hypo.

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November 4, 2006

>>when I was sick post partum, I was on 200mg a day intervenous!<<

And this is probably why you have such severe adrenal fatigue now.

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November 5, 2006

In a message dated 11/5/2006 12:57:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

mives@... writes:

But he sees me going to doctors,

and reading, and researching, and trying things and knows that I am TRYING.

I have the same problem with my Dad not understanding the changes in me. He

is used to me being active, organizing events, working 18 hours a day,

behaving animated and lively, and he got mad at me the other night when I awoke

with an episode of breathing difficulty. He said, " What IS wrong with you? " I

told him I have adrenals issues. His reply was he never heard of anything

like that. If it were HIV, cancer, or something he heard of, he could accept

it. But thyroid? It can be cured with a pill. And Adrenal, well if I

never heard of it, it does not exist.

We need to write a book for our families to explain what we are going

through so that they do not take it personally. lol

Helen

November 5, 2006

No, never diagnosed with CFS, but always felt like I had it. I had

mono at age 26 (I'm almost 36 now) and was sick for a long time with

it. I never really recovered from it..always felt exhausted and sick

for about 2 years after the mono diagnosis. Then I'd have good weeks

and bad weeks, but it always seemed to come back. Then i got

pregnant, had my amniotic fluid embolism at age 30, then never was

right again. Diagnosed with hypoT at age 34......still on this lovely

roller coaster, and still my health isn't good.

It's very depressing to feel like your body has given up at age 35.

They did viral testing after I had the 33 units of blood transfused in

labor, and I did test postive for EPV. Which I knew I had b/c of the

mono.

Amy

>

> Were you ever diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome?

>

November 5, 2006

Helen and , thank you so much for your kind supportive words.

I'm just exhausted. And my husband thinks I'm a complete raving

lunatic. That is what hurts the most. I know he thinks I'm crazy.

I'm not crazy, just sick. But when he's so unsupportive and

doeesn't understand it all, it just makes me feel like both he and

my daughter would be better off without me. I feel his contempt and

inpatience so strongly. He thinks I should be cleaning the house

and doing all this stuff I'm not physically able to. He thinks I'm

making all this up and doing strange things to my body that people

tell me to do on the internet. He knows I order my own medicine

without a script, and he doesn't think that's a good idea. When I

feel his contempt so strongly, then I think I'm just taking up space

in the world........taking other people's oxygen? KWIM?

Amy

>

> In a message dated 11/4/2006 2:25:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> phonicity@... writes:

>

> But you're NOT giving up...simply by being here, writing to us,

trying to

> discover the right thing to do for your body SHOWS that you are

NOT giving up!

> Take pride in that! And keep fighting!!!

>

> ...you could not have said any better!

>

> Helen

>

November 5, 2006

Linn, I just started a supplement called Garden of Life's Perfect

Food Super Green Formula. It calls for up to 5 tablets a day, but I

just started, so I'm only taking 2 a day so far. Does this sound

like what you're talking about? I also take a B complex sublingual

formula.

Let's see, I take selenium, 7 KETO DHEA, Omega 3, CLA, Magesium,

Iron, and Vitamin C.

Thanks,

Amy

>

> Amy,

>

> Have you tried adding any type of a greens supplement to your

> regime? IMO for those suffering adrenal problems, this would be

a

> big help.

November 5, 2006

Amy, why don't you have your husband read the STTM website? That's what I

did. While I wouldn't say that my husband was quite as bad as yours, he did

know there was something wrong with me (evidenced b y the lack of sex, and

the fact that I did not have any joy in anything I used to be interested in

before). I also sent him an article, I will see if I can find the link if

you want, " The Spoon Theory " , or something like that, about how much those

of us with these conditions can actually do in a day. That helped a lot,

and he still asks me if I have any spoons left for him.

Don't get me wrong, things aren't all rosey and peachy-keen, we just had

another argument last weekend, and I do get attitude far too often, even if

he doesn't come out and say it, its there. But he sees me going to doctors,

and reading, and researching, and trying things and knows that I am TRYING.

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Re: adrenal crisis

>

> Helen and , thank you so much for your kind supportive words.

>

> I'm just exhausted. And my husband thinks I'm a complete raving

> lunatic. That is what hurts the most. I know he thinks I'm crazy.

> I'm not crazy, just sick. But when he's so unsupportive and

> doeesn't understand it all, it just makes me feel like both he and

> my daughter would be better off without me. I feel his contempt and

> inpatience so strongly. He thinks I should be cleaning the house

> and doing all this stuff I'm not physically able to. He thinks I'm

> making all this up and doing strange things to my body that people

> tell me to do on the internet. He knows I order my own medicine

> without a script, and he doesn't think that's a good idea. When I

> feel his contempt so strongly, then I think I'm just taking up space

> in the world........taking other people's oxygen? KWIM?

>

> Amy

>

>>

>> In a message dated 11/4/2006 2:25:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

>> phonicity@... writes:

>>

>> But you're NOT giving up...simply by being here, writing to us,

> trying to

>> discover the right thing to do for your body SHOWS that you are

> NOT giving up!

>> Take pride in that! And keep fighting!!!

>>

>> ...you could not have said any better!

>>

>> Helen

>>

November 5, 2006

Amy,

Probably so, I just prefer the type of greens supplements that you

mix in something. I think they are better absorbed. The Dr.

Schultze site was recommended to me by some people I know well versed

in alternative meds. The B vitamins in particular, I think one needs

to be very careful when supplementing because of what the synthetics

are derived from. That's why I like to stick with natural forms of

B's. Check out Dr. O'Shea's site thedoctorwithin.com and read his

chapter on minerals. Excellent info.

One thing you might try with the hubby is to just let actions speak

louder than words. Tell him that you truly believe in what you are

trying and that even if he doesn't believe in it right now, you'd

really like his support at least in the mode of not harassing you or

having a bad attitude. Some of these methods take a while, maybe 6

weeks or even longer to have an effect. I know many people who try

taking a supplement for a week or two, and then quit because they

don't think it works at all. Some of this stuff takes patience. It

does pay off. Nutrition is a huge key to all of this.

Linn

> Linn, I just started a supplement called Garden of Life's Perfect

> Food Super Green Formula. It calls for up to 5 tablets a day, but I

> just started, so I'm only taking 2 a day so far. Does this sound

> like what you're talking about? I also take a B complex sublingual

> formula.

>

> Let's see, I take selenium, 7 KETO DHEA, Omega 3, CLA, Magesium,

> Iron, and Vitamin C.

>

> Thanks,

> Amy

>

> .

>

November 5, 2006

Amykins,

You describe a very sticky situation, one that would be very difficult for even

a healthy person to resolve. My hubby has been pretty supportive but he's not

in to reading articles, etc. about what I'm discovering. That's totally up to

me and I get tired and feel pretty alone sometimes. Thank God for these message

boards!

Would your hubby be willing to read anything if you printed it off the Net? Say

from the STTM web site? Sometimes knowledge goes a long way!

Sounds like your hubby has never been really sick himself. That's good in that

he's able to take up the slack, bad in that he probably resents having to take

up the slack. My dh was very sickly as a child and still has terrific allergies

and problems with asthma. So he understands.

We need a support group for spouses of thyroid/adrenally challenged individuals!

The other thing that helps me so much is just plain old prayer. Keep in mind

that whatever you focus your thoughts on expands. Where our thought goes,

energy flows! You are serving a special purpose...one that absolutely nobody

else could serve...you are unique even in sickness!

Try not to see yourself through your hubby's eyes. Get a journal and write what

YOU think and feel. You'll be amazed at what comes out of you and on to the

paper. I journaled for years and got to know myself that way. Worked through a

lot of identity issues...went from being totally other-centered to taking care

of myself first THEN taking care of whomever else I could. When I had to say

no, I no longer felt guilty. All that because of getting in touch with my

spirituality and journalling. Not a bad cure!

If you can, go outside and watch the sky for a while. When I'm down, clouds and

birds do it for me. Just spent an hour doing just that and I feel much better

than I did this morning.

Sending you lots of good energy!

anewkirk30 wrote: