Dr Rind and temperature averages

[Guest guest]

From what I gather, Dr. Rind is the only doctor who has tracked

temperature averages of patients. Has he published any books? I don't

see any available on his website. Could this theory that wellness is

achieved with 98.6 temp. averages, only a theory. I often do not see a

connection with the way I feel and temperature. Are there any other

reputable doctors who are reknown that use temp. averages as a guide

in treatment?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 29/10/2006 22:00:33 GMT Standard Time,

florida_native222@... writes:

Could this theory that wellness is

achieved with 98.6 temp. averages, only a theory.

You have reminded me that I wrote and asked him - Dr Rind - about

two months ago and he did not respond.

I asked what he based it upon.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

>>Could this theory that wellness is

achieved with 98.6 temp. averages, only a theory. <<

I do not have the time right now to delve into this to search out other sources

forthe exactness of the temp testing. BUT I have seen this be true for alot of

people, myself included, so I ma inclined to believe ti is viable test.

However, I am post meno so it may be more doifficult to interpret for those of

you that still have periods. I have to ask, if 98.6 is not the correct body

temperature, why was it accepted for 100's of years till recently when

hypothyroid/hypoadrenalism is so wide spread? Could it be thet now the national

average body temps are lower due to SO many people being hypo? Funny when I was

a child a low temp was as big a concern to doctors and parents as a high temp.

But then widespread hypo was not as prevlent as it is today.

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The 's Thyroid Syndrome web site has info on this. If I remember

correctly our body's enzymes, which process everything, don't work well at

anything other than a temp of 98.6. They actually change their shape, etc. at

lower temps.

wrote: >>Could this theory that

wellness is

achieved with 98.6 temp. averages, only a theory. <<

I do not have the time right now to delve into this to search out other sources

forthe exactness of the temp testing. BUT I have seen this be true for alot of

people, myself included, so I ma inclined to believe ti is viable test.

However, I am post meno so it may be more doifficult to interpret for those of

you that still have periods. I have to ask, if 98.6 is not the correct body

temperature, why was it accepted for 100's of years till recently when

hypothyroid/hypoadrenalism is so wide spread? Could it be thet now the national

average body temps are lower due to SO many people being hypo? Funny when I was

a child a low temp was as big a concern to doctors and parents as a high temp.

But then widespread hypo was not as prevlent as it is today.

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In a message dated 30/10/2006 15:53:04 GMT Standard Time,

florida_native222@... writes:

Hopefully, one day, I'll have the time and resources

to publish something on this. BR

Hey thanks . I hope he does do this one day.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

Here's a blurb from the 's site: Sorry no research attached.

How Can A Low Body Temperature Cause So Many Symptoms?

Virtually all of the chemical reactions that take place in our

bodies are catalyzed by enzymes. Enzymes are proteins that are

dependent upon their shape, or conformation, for their activity.

When enzymes are too hot they are too loose, when they are too

cold they are too tight, and in either extreme the enzymes are

not the right shape and cannot function optimally. When the body

temperature is too low, nearly all of the enzymes in the body

function less effectively. This can cause a very wide variety of

complaints.

Whitmore wrote: The 's Thyroid Syndrome web

site has info on this. If I remember correctly our body's enzymes, which

process everything, don't work well at anything other than a temp of 98.6. They

actually change their shape, etc. at lower temps.

wrote: >>Could this theory that wellness is

achieved with 98.6 temp. averages, only a theory. <<

I do not have the time right now to delve into this to search out other sources

forthe exactness of the temp testing. BUT I have seen this be true for alot of

people, myself included, so I ma inclined to believe ti is viable test.

However, I am post meno so it may be more doifficult to interpret for those of

you that still have periods. I have to ask, if 98.6 is not the correct body

temperature, why was it accepted for 100's of years till recently when

hypothyroid/hypoadrenalism is so wide spread? Could it be thet now the national

average body temps are lower due to SO many people being hypo? Funny when I was

a child a low temp was as big a concern to doctors and parents as a high temp.

But then widespread hypo was not as prevlent as it is today.

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[Guest guest]

Mo - He has been responding to me and so I'm pasting

our comments here. I don't think I asked him the same

question, but similar.

I've seen many temp graphs and normally it rises from

ovulation to a few days before the period at which

time it starts to drop, continues to drop throughout

the period and about 4-5 days afterward, then

stabilizes and shortly thereafter begins to rise. In

very strong, healthy women that dont have estrogen

dominance, we see apattern that is very even,

sometimes like a man, with no or minimal  fluctuations

for ovulation and pereiod. BR

From: DrRind@...

To: melissanative@...

Subject: Re: Hypothyroid and feeling worse on Armour

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:31:24 EDT

So I take it that most women must be

unhealthy/estrogen dominant if ovulation experts

confer that fluctuations are normally observedwhat is

considered a womens normal body rhythm and what is ?

My mother has temperature charts when she was trying

to conceive me when she was 20 years of age.

She charted her basal temperature only, not temp.

averages. Her temperature fluctuated and followed the

pattern as mentioned below. She was very healthy at

the time and had 2 more children after me. As you

said, most women you have seen have hormonal

imbalances with temp. fluctations, otherwise they

wouldn't be seeing you to begin with. Could it be

possible that women who are very healthy but

have temp. fluctuations, would not normally

seek medical attention, so you wouldn't have the

opportunity to get graphs on them? Can you point me to

the scientific evidence that healthy women have no

fluctuations, because this still isn't making a whole

lot of sense to me.

Thank you,

your logic is good when you say that if they were well

they wouldn't be seeing me. I get the info from my

patients *who aren't well) and eventually do get well.

we see the graph straighten out as their cycles become

healthier and their symptoms clear out. I therefore

look at the pattern as they are getting healthier and

observe a pattern of stabilization as they get

healthier. There is no data in the med literature as

the AMA still believes that temps are irrelevant

unless you are looking for  a fever or ovulation. I'm

the only one I know so far that tracks temp patterns.

Hopefully, one day, I'll have the time and resources

to publish something on this. BR

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> In a message dated 29/10/2006 22:00:33 GMT Standard

> Time,

> florida_native222@... writes:

>

> Could this theory that wellness is

> achieved with 98.6 temp. averages, only a theory.

>

>

> You have reminded me that I wrote and asked

> him - Dr Rind - about

> two months ago and he did not respond.

> I asked what he based it upon.

>

> Mo

>

> NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

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> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

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[Guest guest]

That's what I was thinking Val. When ovulation experts

came up with this normal range, it was at a time in

our history when most of us are hypo and don't know

it. I would like to track down the studies that these

experts used to determine this so called, normal basal

temperature range. Do you have any idea where I could

begin?

--- wrote:

> >>Could this theory that wellness is

> achieved with 98.6 temp. averages, only a theory.

> <<

>

> I do not have the time right now to delve into this

> to search out other sources forthe exactness of the

> temp testing. BUT I have seen this be true for alot

> of people, myself included, so I ma inclined to

> believe ti is viable test. However, I am post meno

> so it may be more doifficult to interpret for those

> of you that still have periods. I have to ask, if

> 98.6 is not the correct body temperature, why was it

> accepted for 100's of years till recently when

> hypothyroid/hypoadrenalism is so wide spread? Could

> it be thet now the national average body temps are

> lower due to SO many people being hypo? Funny when I

> was a child a low temp was as big a concern to

> doctors and parents as a high temp. But then

> widespread hypo was not as prevlent as it is today.

>

> --

> Artistic

> Grooming- Hurricane WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store

> (Closing after Xmas!!!)

>

> http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

>

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[Guest guest]

This is helpful. I'm assuming this was determined in a

lab.

--- Whitmore wrote:

> Here's a blurb from the 's site: Sorry no

> research attached.

>

> How Can A Low Body Temperature Cause

> So Many Symptoms?

> Virtually all of the chemical

> reactions that take place in our bodies are

> catalyzed by enzymes. Enzymes are proteins

> that are dependent upon their shape,

> or conformation, for their activity. When enzymes

> are too hot they are too loose, when

> they are too cold they are too tight,

> and in either extreme the enzymes are not the right

> shape and cannot function optimally.

> When the body temperature is too low,

> nearly all of the enzymes in the body function less

> effectively. This can cause a very

> wide variety of complaints.

>

>

>

> Whitmore wrote: The

> 's Thyroid Syndrome web site has info on this.

> If I remember correctly our body's enzymes, which

> process everything, don't work well at anything

> other than a temp of 98.6. They actually change

> their shape, etc. at lower temps.

>

>

>

> wrote: >>Could this theory that

> wellness is

> achieved with 98.6 temp. averages, only a theory.

> <<

>

> I do not have the time right now to delve into this

> to search out other sources forthe exactness of the

> temp testing. BUT I have seen this be true for alot

> of people, myself included, so I ma inclined to

> believe ti is viable test. However, I am post meno

> so it may be more doifficult to interpret for those

> of you that still have periods. I have to ask, if

> 98.6 is not the correct body temperature, why was it

> accepted for 100's of years till recently when

> hypothyroid/hypoadrenalism is so wide spread? Could

> it be thet now the national average body temps are

> lower due to SO many people being hypo? Funny when I

> was a child a low temp was as big a concern to

> doctors and parents as a high temp. But then

> widespread hypo was not as prevlent as it is today.

>

> --

> Artistic

> Grooming- Hurricane WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store

> (Closing after Xmas!!!)

>

> http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I do most my researching by just trying different searches on Google! It

is amazing but TIME consuming what you can find there!

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[Guest guest]

I don't know for sure. I need to find the research on this. Dr. is just

so wordy...getting through his writings taxes my patience to no end. He's the

analogy king! LOL

wrote: This is helpful. I'm

assuming this was determined in a

lab.

--- Whitmore

wrote:

> Here's a blurb from the 's site: Sorry no

> research attached.

>

> How Can A Low Body Temperature Cause

> So Many Symptoms?

> Virtually all of the chemical

> reactions that take place in our bodies are

> catalyzed by enzymes. Enzymes are proteins

> that are dependent upon their shape,

> or conformation, for their activity. When enzymes

> are too hot they are too loose, when

> they are too cold they are too tight,

> and in either extreme the enzymes are not the right

> shape and cannot function optimally.

> When the body temperature is too low,

> nearly all of the enzymes in the body function less

> effectively. This can cause a very

> wide variety of complaints.

>

>

>

> Whitmore

wrote: The

> 's Thyroid Syndrome web site has info on this.

> If I remember correctly our body's enzymes, which

> process everything, don't work well at anything

> other than a temp of 98.6. They actually change

> their shape, etc. at lower temps.

>

>

>

> wrote: >>Could this theory that

> wellness is

> achieved with 98.6 temp. averages, only a theory.

> <<

>

> I do not have the time right now to delve into this

> to search out other sources forthe exactness of the

> temp testing. BUT I have seen this be true for alot

> of people, myself included, so I ma inclined to

> believe ti is viable test. However, I am post meno

> so it may be more doifficult to interpret for those

> of you that still have periods. I have to ask, if

> 98.6 is not the correct body temperature, why was it

> accepted for 100's of years till recently when

> hypothyroid/hypoadrenalism is so wide spread? Could

> it be thet now the national average body temps are

> lower due to SO many people being hypo? Funny when I

> was a child a low temp was as big a concern to

> doctors and parents as a high temp. But then

> widespread hypo was not as prevlent as it is today.

>

> --

> Artistic

> Grooming- Hurricane WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store

> (Closing after Xmas!!!)

>

> http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You're quite right there, if your temp was under 97.0, it was a concern.

Linn

> >>Could this theory that wellness is

> achieved with 98.6 temp. averages, only a theory. <<

>

> I do not have the time right now to delve into this to search out

> other sources forthe exactness of the temp testing. BUT I have seen

> this be true for alot of people, myself included, so I ma inclined

> to believe ti is viable test. However, I am post meno so it may be

> more doifficult to interpret for those of you that still have

> periods. I have to ask, if 98.6 is not the correct body

> temperature, why was it accepted for 100's of years till recently

> when hypothyroid/hypoadrenalism is so wide spread? Could it be thet

> now the national average body temps are lower due to SO many people

> being hypo? Funny when I was a child a low temp was as big a

> concern to doctors and parents as a high temp. But then widespread

> hypo was not as prevlent as it is today.

>

> .

>

>