Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 This sounds like very normal behavior to me. Children need the reassurance that they are loved, no matter what their actions or behavior. It sounds like you're doing exactly what needs to be done ny both reassuring him with hugs and kisses, but letting him know the action/behavior was not okay. And as long as his behavior is with a parent and not just anyone. He will eventually grow out of this when he gets more confident, which can vary depending on the childs personality. I am a child care provider and see this all the time. As a caregiver these kids run to me for that reassurance. Anyway, like I said, it sounds to me like your doing exactly what should be done. Just be consistent and trust yourself! Janesoul I love you Mommy! I need some advice for those of you with children and anyone else who can view this from the perspective of a child. Reading many of the posts has put me in a reflective mood and I need to know whether or not I am handling something correctly with my son. One of the common themes on this board is a need to " Please the parent " and never being able to. I have noticed that whenever my son is chastized for his behavior he runs to me and has to hug and kiss me and tell me he loves me before he can calm down. I always hug him back and tell him that I love him but not what he did or how he acted. My worry is that he will become ingrained to always want to apease anyone who becomes displeased with him. I want him to be able to stand up for himself when he is right and not be manipulated by someone who doesn't have his best interests at heart. I don't dare speak with my mother about this as it will give her an opening to tell me that I am a bad mother and I have had enough of that. I may be over worrying about this and he will out grow this behavior, I just don't want to warp him the way I was warped. I never could stand the fact that someone was displeased with me even when it wasn't justified. No one else would understand why this is a concern for me, other than the people on this board. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Thank you, I needed to hear that. I love you Mommy! I need some advice for those of you with children and anyone else who can view this from the perspective of a child. Reading many of the posts has put me in a reflective mood and I need to know whether or not I am handling something correctly with my son. One of the common themes on this board is a need to " Please the parent " and never being able to. I have noticed that whenever my son is chastized for his behavior he runs to me and has to hug and kiss me and tell me he loves me before he can calm down. I always hug him back and tell him that I love him but not what he did or how he acted. My worry is that he will become ingrained to always want to apease anyone who becomes displeased with him. I want him to be able to stand up for himself when he is right and not be manipulated by someone who doesn't have his best interests at heart. I don't dare speak with my mother about this as it will give her an opening to tell me that I am a bad mother and I have had enough of that. I may be over worrying about this and he will out grow this behavior, I just don't want to warp him the way I was warped. I never could stand the fact that someone was displeased with me even when it wasn't justified. No one else would understand why this is a concern for me, other than the people on this board. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Both my boys still do that from time to time and my oldest is going to turn 17 this weekend. They just want to be certain that the discipline isn't fatal. I always reassure with hugs and kisses if that's what they are looking for. Physical displays of my love for them are never withheld and the source of the correcting is always the ACTION not a personal attack. Sounds to me like you are on the right track. I think as a natural part of the learning process, kids will test the boundaries from time to time and then pull back and need some extra reassurance. I think it's part of the normal parenting process. It's our job to teach our kids, which rightly includes appropriate corrections. Keep your confidence! I think you are doing just fine. Kindest regards, Mercy > > I need some advice for those of you with children and anyone else who > can view this from the perspective of a child. Reading many of the > posts has put me in a reflective mood and I need to know whether or not > I am handling something correctly with my son. > One of the common themes on this board is a need to " Please the parent " > and never being able to. I have noticed that whenever my son is > chastized for his behavior he runs to me and has to hug and kiss me and > tell me he loves me before he can calm down. I always hug him back and > tell him that I love him but not what he did or how he acted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 I don't have children..but thought I would write down what I thought about this. I think your son's is acting normal. I remember when I was a kid..if i misbehaved in anyway, I knew I was in for it. My mother would be livid with me, not speak to me, and act hateful to me. This was my punishment. If i tried to hug and kiss her and tell her i loved her after being yelled at for misbehaving, my affections would have been rejected. They were often rejected when I did something wrong. Your son knows you love him no matter what and feels comfortable coming to you even after you chastize him for misbehaving. This is the way I think it should be. But, its just my humble opinion. I'm only 24 and have no children. ~Sara jo > > I need some advice for those of you with children and anyone else who > can view this from the perspective of a child. Reading many of the > posts has put me in a reflective mood and I need to know whether or not > I am handling something correctly with my son. > One of the common themes on this board is a need to " Please the parent " > and never being able to. I have noticed that whenever my son is > chastized for his behavior he runs to me and has to hug and kiss me and > tell me he loves me before he can calm down. I always hug him back and > tell him that I love him but not what he did or how he acted. My worry > is that he will become ingrained to always want to apease anyone who > becomes displeased with him. I want him to be able to stand up for > himself when he is right and not be manipulated by someone who doesn't > have his best interests at heart. I don't dare speak with my mother > about this as it will give her an opening to tell me that I am a bad > mother and I have had enough of that. I may be over worrying about this > and he will out grow this behavior, I just don't want to warp him the > way I was warped. I never could stand the fact that someone was > displeased with me even when it wasn't justified. No one else would > understand why this is a concern for me, other than the people on this > board. Any thoughts? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Thank you so much. My mom reacted pretty much the same way as yours did. She had a three day fuse, if she went off it was three days before she would even speak with me again. I worry that some of her behavior is ingrained in me and that I will either pull a similar stunt and not realize it or I will be overly permissive. I feel as a parent I have to walk a very thin line so that I don't do to my son what my parents did to me. I have no clue as to what normal parenting is. And I am not talking about the parenting you get in a social services class, that I have a handle on. It is the BPD stuff that twists me in knots sometimes when I least expect it. Re: I love you Mommy! I don't have children..but thought I would write down what I thought about this. I think your son's is acting normal. I remember when I was a kid..if i misbehaved in anyway, I knew I was in for it. My mother would be livid with me, not speak to me, and act hateful to me. This was my punishment.. If i tried to hug and kiss her and tell her i loved her after being yelled at for misbehaving, my affections would have been rejected. They were often rejected when I did something wrong. Your son knows you love him no matter what and feels comfortable coming to you even after you chastize him for misbehaving. This is the way I think it should be. But, its just my humble opinion. I'm only 24 and have no children. ~Sara jo > > I need some advice for those of you with children and anyone else who > can view this from the perspective of a child.. Reading many of the > posts has put me in a reflective mood and I need to know whether or not > I am handling something correctly with my son. > One of the common themes on this board is a need to " Please the parent " > and never being able to. I have noticed that whenever my son is > chastized for his behavior he runs to me and has to hug and kiss me and > tell me he loves me before he can calm down. I always hug him back and > tell him that I love him but not what he did or how he acted. My worry > is that he will become ingrained to always want to apease anyone who > becomes displeased with him. I want him to be able to stand up for > himself when he is right and not be manipulated by someone who doesn't > have his best interests at heart. I don't dare speak with my mother > about this as it will give her an opening to tell me that I am a bad > mother and I have had enough of that. I may be over worrying about this > and he will out grow this behavior, I just don't want to warp him the > way I was warped. I never could stand the fact that someone was > displeased with me even when it wasn't justified. No one else would > understand why this is a concern for me, other than the people on this > board. Any thoughts? > __._,_..___ Messages in this topic (5) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help at @.... SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP. To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, " call 888-35-SHELL () for your copy. We also refer to “Understanding the Borderline Mother” (Lawson) and “Surviving the Borderline Parent,” (Roth) which you can find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community! From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE and the SWOE Workbook. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 19New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Yahoo! Group to share and learn. Yahoo! Health Healthy Aging Improve your quality of life. Find helpful tips for Moderators on the Yahoo! Groups team blog.. ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 This sounded again like an echo from my life: " If i tried to hug and kiss her and tell her i loved her after being yelled at for misbehaving, my affections would have been rejected. " I remember scenes where my sister and I misbehaved for some reason, really or in her eyes; and we would be yelled at and hit, and the hitting turned to a beating. Then she would yell that she does not want to see us anymore. So we to our rooms, full of guilt and the feeling of being evil. After a while, very carefully, and trembling, we came to her in the kitchen and asked her " if it was over, mommy? " and apologized. She said, with a Flemish proverb: you don't buy anything for regrets, what is done is done, and if we tried to hug her, she pushed us away. I remember it hurt more than the beating from before. And SHE NEVER apologized. So twisted! And therefore it was not only this one thing we'd done wrong but the feeling stuck that I as a person was wrong, and that she hated me/us for good reasons. In the psychology textbooks it says that BPD's do feel regretful, embarrassed and/or ashamed when they've lost it and been abusive. It is something I doubt, but I'm not a professional or anything. Do you believe that? > > > > I need some advice for those of you with children and anyone else > who > > can view this from the perspective of a child.. Reading many of the > > posts has put me in a reflective mood and I need to know whether > or not > > I am handling something correctly with my son. > > One of the common themes on this board is a need to " Please the > parent " > > and never being able to. I have noticed that whenever my son is > > chastized for his behavior he runs to me and has to hug and kiss > me and > > tell me he loves me before he can calm down. I always hug him back > and > > tell him that I love him but not what he did or how he acted. My > worry > > is that he will become ingrained to always want to apease anyone > who > > becomes displeased with him. I want him to be able to stand up for > > himself when he is right and not be manipulated by someone who > doesn't > > have his best interests at heart. I don't dare speak with my > mother > > about this as it will give her an opening to tell me that I am a > bad > > mother and I have had enough of that. I may be over worrying about > this > > and he will out grow this behavior, I just don't want to warp him > the > > way I was warped. I never could stand the fact that someone was > > displeased with me even when it wasn't justified. No one else > would > > understand why this is a concern for me, other than the people on > this > > board. Any thoughts? > > > > > __._,_..___ > Messages in this topic (5) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages > Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help at @... SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP. > > To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, " call 888-35- SHELL () for your copy. We also refer to " Understanding the Borderline Mother " (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, " (Roth) which you can find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community! > > From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE and the SWOE Workbook. > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity > 19New Members > Visit Your Group > Meditation and > Lovingkindness > A Yahoo! Group > to share and learn. > Yahoo! Health > Healthy Aging > Improve your > quality of life. > Find helpful tips > for Moderators > on the Yahoo! > Groups team blog.. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 I have a 15 year old daughter and she is very sensitive but not overly so. I had the same worry when she was young. You didn't mention how young your son is. She still today before bed says I Love you Mommy about 3-5 times. It has become a night time mantra but I don't worry so much any more becuase as she got older and more mature we have had some really terriffic conversations about pleasing ourselves and pleasing others/meeting our own needs without feeling self absorbed, making decisions based on our gut feelings not our heads when it comes to relationships and saying no. I don't know why she is like this. I do feel she definitly came to the world with a deep sensitivity and love and my husband and I have fostered this. I am a child specialist and work with children that are well...more. She has always been sensitive and empathic but with strong boundaries for the most part. So what I am saying is yes he will grow into this we don't really want them to grow out of it do we? You sound like a great parent and an open parent you will know when the times are right to explore this a little more. My daughters best friend gave us a perfect practice ground in 4th grade. she had done a lot of controling with my daughter and you can read my d like a book. We talked a lot about how it felt not being able to say no compared to how it would feel to be able to say no with healthy boundaries and she really got it with practice. She realized when she said no her friend eventually got it to and they had a much more enjoyable time. (and yes her friend now has been in some trouble with risky behavoir and my d has not) I also framed it as a practice time, small potatoes. told her I wouldn't always be by her side to give her words and get her out that when she is older her friends will push for riskier things and she needs to practice now to say no. I always said to her you are always welcome to disagree with me and express your feelings any feelings. I will always love you unconditionally. It might not change my decision but I will always listen and negotiate if possible. Because he seems to need your physical love to calm down shows he trust you. if he is 4 or older I would say teach him some self soothing activities. you can even make a box with these. coloring, tension balls, playdough, dance music,) notice this with him. Say (when he's not upset) I notice you seem to really need my reassurance when you feel badly and I know you are strong inside and want to help you learn some other ways too to feel good. assuring him that you are always available for comfort. You might also want to look at the language you use maybe change negative to positive, like oh I notice you did (insert behavior) and name the result without personalizing it for instance if it was coloring on the wall say hmmm thats a problem, I wonder how we will get that off? The other peice if you are not already doing this is simply to name his feelings, you look worried, angry frustrated or if your not sure what he's feeling just inquire saying you look like you are having a big feeling can I help you or what would help you. There is a great book called Handling Dissappointment geared for youngish children preschool-say4th grade look it up I really like it.one last piece then this ridiculously long post will end assure him that you are ok and that you don't need any help with your big feelings that it is your job to help him with his. Hope some of this helps and sorry everyone for such a long posts. Suebee > > I need some advice for those of you with children and anyone else who > can view this from the perspective of a child. Reading many of the > posts has put me in a reflective mood and I need to know whether or not > I am handling something correctly with my son. > One of the common themes on this board is a need to " Please the parent " > and never being able to. I have noticed that whenever my son is > chastized for his behavior he runs to me and has to hug and kiss me and > tell me he loves me before he can calm down. I always hug him back and > tell him that I love him but not what he did or how he acted. My worry > is that he will become ingrained to always want to apease anyone who > becomes displeased with him. I want him to be able to stand up for > himself when he is right and not be manipulated by someone who doesn't > have his best interests at heart. I don't dare speak with my mother > about this as it will give her an opening to tell me that I am a bad > mother and I have had enough of that. I may be over worrying about this > and he will out grow this behavior, I just don't want to warp him the > way I was warped. I never could stand the fact that someone was > displeased with me even when it wasn't justified. No one else would > understand why this is a concern for me, other than the people on this > board. Any thoughts? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Your advice is very welcome. I will be the first to say that I am flummoxed sometimes with being a parent and my son is a handful. He will be 7 soon and has some behavioral issues, nothing terrible but he is willful and smart.. He is also as sensitive as his mom. I think it is a big responsibility to raise a sensitive child because they are so easily damaged by thoughtless behavior and comments. I want to raise him to be strong and to have healthy boundaries. I know that I am alright as a mother, but there are times when the bad programming pops up and I doubt my judgement. The other day was one of those times. And I knew that if I turned to the person who should be giving me the advice you gave me (my mom), I would get criticism or be told what a rotten mother I was. She actually did this to me, I was fishing for a complement by stating that while I knew I wasn't the perfect mother, I was a good mother. She got this evil gleam in her eye and she said NOTHING. I knew what she was thinking and I know that look. She would get it right before she would say something hurtful or cruel. I will NEVER put myself in that position again. I will get getting a copy of Handling Dissapointment as soon as I can. Thank you for the suggestion. Re: I love you Mommy! I have a 15 year old daughter and she is very sensitive but not overly so. I had the same worry when she was young. You didn't mention how young your son is. She still today before bed says I Love you Mommy about 3-5 times. It has become a night time mantra but I don't worry so much any more becuase as she got older and more mature we have had some really terriffic conversations about pleasing ourselves and pleasing others/meeting our own needs without feeling self absorbed, making decisions based on our gut feelings not our heads when it comes to relationships and saying no. I don't know why she is like this. I do feel she definitly came to the world with a deep sensitivity and love and my husband and I have fostered this. I am a child specialist and work with children that are well...more. She has always been sensitive and empathic but with strong boundaries for the most part. So what I am saying is yes he will grow into this we don't really want them to grow out of it do we? You sound like a great parent and an open parent you will know when the times are right to explore this a little more. My daughters best friend gave us a perfect practice ground in 4th grade. she had done a lot of controling with my daughter and you can read my d like a book. We talked a lot about how it felt not being able to say no compared to how it would feel to be able to say no with healthy boundaries and she really got it with practice. She realized when she said no her friend eventually got it to and they had a much more enjoyable time. (and yes her friend now has been in some trouble with risky behavoir and my d has not) I also framed it as a practice time, small potatoes. told her I wouldn't always be by her side to give her words and get her out that when she is older her friends will push for riskier things and she needs to practice now to say no. I always said to her you are always welcome to disagree with me and express your feelings any feelings. I will always love you unconditionally. It might not change my decision but I will always listen and negotiate if possible. Because he seems to need your physical love to calm down shows he trust you. if he is 4 or older I would say teach him some self soothing activities. you can even make a box with these. coloring, tension balls, playdough, dance music,) notice this with him. Say (when he's not upset) I notice you seem to really need my reassurance when you feel badly and I know you are strong inside and want to help you learn some other ways too to feel good. assuring him that you are always available for comfort. You might also want to look at the language you use maybe change negative to positive, like oh I notice you did (insert behavior) and name the result without personalizing it for instance if it was coloring on the wall say hmmm thats a problem, I wonder how we will get that off? The other peice if you are not already doing this is simply to name his feelings, you look worried, angry frustrated or if your not sure what he's feeling just inquire saying you look like you are having a big feeling can I help you or what would help you. There is a great book called Handling Dissappointment geared for youngish children preschool-say4th grade look it up I really like it.one last piece then this ridiculously long post will end assure him that you are ok and that you don't need any help with your big feelings that it is your job to help him with his. Hope some of this helps and sorry everyone for such a long posts. Suebee > > I need some advice for those of you with children and anyone else who > can view this from the perspective of a child. Reading many of the > posts has put me in a reflective mood and I need to know whether or not > I am handling something correctly with my son. > One of the common themes on this board is a need to " Please the parent " > and never being able to. I have noticed that whenever my son is > chastized for his behavior he runs to me and has to hug and kiss me and > tell me he loves me before he can calm down. I always hug him back and > tell him that I love him but not what he did or how he acted. My worry > is that he will become ingrained to always want to apease anyone who > becomes displeased with him. I want him to be able to stand up for > himself when he is right and not be manipulated by someone who doesn't > have his best interests at heart. I don't dare speak with my mother > about this as it will give her an opening to tell me that I am a bad > mother and I have had enough of that. I may be over worrying about this > and he will out grow this behavior, I just don't want to warp him the > way I was warped. I never could stand the fact that someone was > displeased with me even when it wasn't justified. No one else would > understand why this is a concern for me, other than the people on this > board. Any thoughts? > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 I can relate to that. My own Nada would attack us without any provocation and she was very violent. Many times I would leave notes of apology around the house saying " I'm sorry Mom, I won't do it again " . Truthfully I didn't know what I had done wrong in the first place but I wanted to try to please her (all young children do). You asked whether BPs feel shame/remorse for their actions. Let me answer by telling you about her response to my apology notes. She would just stare at me like I was an alien from another planet. She wouldn't say a word but just stare. It honestly seemed that the concept of apologizing was so foreign to her that she couldn't even wrap her brain around it. She has NEVER apologized for anything or even thanked me for my apologies. So to answer your question, some BPs may feel some remorse but most don't. Most are both Bps and Narcs...Narcs don't feel remorse for anything as they immediately assign blame for anything onto another person. Yes, Bp and Narc in itself are two different diagnosis but Bps are usually comorbid and Narcississm is another one of their common traits. " katrina.berries " wrote: This sounded again like an echo from my life: " If i tried to hug and kiss her and tell her i loved her after being yelled at for misbehaving, my affections would have been rejected. " I remember scenes where my sister and I misbehaved for some reason, really or in her eyes; and we would be yelled at and hit, and the hitting turned to a beating. Then she would yell that she does not want to see us anymore. So we to our rooms, full of guilt and the feeling of being evil. After a while, very carefully, and trembling, we came to her in the kitchen and asked her " if it was over, mommy? " and apologized. She said, with a Flemish proverb: you don't buy anything for regrets, what is done is done, and if we tried to hug her, she pushed us away. I remember it hurt more than the beating from before. And SHE NEVER apologized. So twisted! And therefore it was not only this one thing we'd done wrong but the feeling stuck that I as a person was wrong, and that she hated me/us for good reasons. In the psychology textbooks it says that BPD's do feel regretful, embarrassed and/or ashamed when they've lost it and been abusive. It is something I doubt, but I'm not a professional or anything. Do you believe that? > > > > I need some advice for those of you with children and anyone else > who > > can view this from the perspective of a child.. Reading many of the > > posts has put me in a reflective mood and I need to know whether > or not > > I am handling something correctly with my son. > > One of the common themes on this board is a need to " Please the > parent " > > and never being able to. I have noticed that whenever my son is > > chastized for his behavior he runs to me and has to hug and kiss > me and > > tell me he loves me before he can calm down. I always hug him back > and > > tell him that I love him but not what he did or how he acted. My > worry > > is that he will become ingrained to always want to apease anyone > who > > becomes displeased with him. I want him to be able to stand up for > > himself when he is right and not be manipulated by someone who > doesn't > > have his best interests at heart. I don't dare speak with my > mother > > about this as it will give her an opening to tell me that I am a > bad > > mother and I have had enough of that. I may be over worrying about > this > > and he will out grow this behavior, I just don't want to warp him > the > > way I was warped. I never could stand the fact that someone was > > displeased with me even when it wasn't justified. No one else > would > > understand why this is a concern for me, other than the people on > this > > board. Any thoughts? > > > > > __._,_..___ > Messages in this topic (5) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages > Problems? Ask our friendly List Manager for help at @... SEND HER ANY POSTS THAT CONCERN YOU; DO NOT Respond ON THE GROUP. > > To order the KO bible " Stop Walking on Eggshells, " call 888-35- SHELL () for your copy. We also refer to " Understanding the Borderline Mother " (Lawson) and " Surviving the Borderline Parent, " (Roth) which you can find at any bookstore. Welcome to the WTO community! > > From Randi Kreger, Owner BPDCentral, WTO Online Community and author SWOE and the SWOE Workbook. > > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! 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