Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance No one disputes that. Mercury is poisonous. That's been a settled matter for some time. It should be noted, however, that when we're talking about vaccines, we're not discussing mercury per se, but thimerosal, which is a molecule that has an atom of mercury as part of its structure. Therefore, receiving an injection that contains thimerosal is not the same thing as receiving one that contains atomic mercury. And in any event, it's moot -- thimerosal has been removed from almost all vaccines anyway. > and may contribute to autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I can't speak for anyone else, but I get really angry when I hear bad science, especially bad science that's been discredited. > I have the right to such 'thinking' No one said you didn't. If you want to believe that mercury causes autism, you go right ahead -- no one is going to try to stop you, even if they could, just like no one will ever convince a Flat Earther that the earth is actually round. > and really what is wrong with throwing ideas into the mix. Some ideas aren't really worthy of discussion. If a scientist today were to start talking about phlogiston in anything other than an historical context, other scientists would regard it as a waste of time because the phlogiston theory of combustion was discredited centuries ago. > I got sick from the vaccine I'm very sorry to hear that, but that doesn't mean that the vaccine was itself inherently harmful. Some people are allergic to peanuts, too, but that doesn't mean that peanuts themselves are dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 EXACTLY! Thank you! As I said b4, I just post what I find online or get in my mailbox . . . no need to whine abt it, just hit the DELETE key -- Why would an autistic person be 'offended' that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and may contribute to autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if all sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine smoke, pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I have the right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with throwing ideas into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as long as I legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E N T I A L damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my not giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to walk, like some Rett Syndrome girls. In addition, as for my experience..... When they gave *me* the MMR in the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY FORCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.....not only did I have to recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to the point I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to think they pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny defenseless creatures. Sola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:47 PM, thebearfamily88 wrote: > As I said b4, I just post what I find online or get in my mailbox . . . > no need to whine abt it, just hit the DELETE key And, just to reinforce what Jypsy has already said: if this advice is sound for everyone else, it should also be sound for you. I trust, therefore, that you won't be making any more posts to the list complaining about other people complaining about your posts? You'll just be hitting the DELETE key? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 At 03:47 PM 1/27/2009, thebearfamily88 wrote: >EXACTLY! Thank you! > >As I said b4, I just post what I find online or get in my mailbox . . . no >need to whine abt it, just hit the DELETE key And as I (basically) said - we're free to " whine " all we like. *You* also have a delete key. You can b*tch at us or take your own advice, your choice. -jypsy ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 A mecp2 mutation causes Rett Syndrome. This is common knowledge. Getting vaccine preventable diseases can kill your daughter with RS. ALSO nearly common knowledge. Subject: Why would an autistic person be 'offended' To: AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:03 PM that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and may contribute to autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if all sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine smoke, pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I have the right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with throwing ideas into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as long as I legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E N T I A L damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my not giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to walk, like some Rett Syndrome girls. In addition, as for my experience.. ... When they gave *me* the MMR in the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY FORCE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.. ...not only did I have to recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to the point I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to think they pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny defenseless creatures. Sola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Hello,..... well, I wouldn't exactly say it is 'common knowledge', since I had to tell my doctor (MD) what Rett Syndrome even is. It is pretty well known though in the Rett Syndrome Family community, if there is such a thing. I went to a Rett Seminar once, and what I noticed was there were alot of *BIG HEADS (*aka egos). There was too much " me, me, I'm special " ....type of garbage on display. > > Subject: Why would an autistic person be 'offended' > To: AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and may contribute to > > autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if all > > sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine smoke, > > pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I have the > > right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with throwing ideas > > into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as long as I > > legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E N T I A L > > damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my not > > giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to walk, like > > some Rett Syndrome girls. > > > > In addition, as for my experience.. ... When they gave *me* the MMR in > > the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY > > FORCE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.. ...not only did I have to > > recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to the point > > I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to think they > > pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny defenseless > > creatures. > > > > Sola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 It's common ENOUGH knowledge. Rett Syndrome is caused by a mecp2 mutation, except when it's caused by CDKL5. It's NOT caused by shots. End of story. Subject: Re: Why would an autistic person be 'offended' To: AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 2:22 PM Hello,..... well, I wouldn't exactly say it is 'common knowledge', since I had to tell my doctor (MD) what Rett Syndrome even is. It is pretty well known though in the Rett Syndrome Family community, if there is such a thing. I went to a Rett Seminar once, and what I noticed was there were alot of *BIG HEADS (*aka egos). There was too much " me, me, I'm special " .... type of garbage on display. > From: † Angel <sola_blue_angel@ ...> > Subject: Why would an autistic person be 'offended' > To: AutisticSpectrumTre eHouse@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and may contribute to > > autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if all > > sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine smoke, > > pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I have the > > right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with throwing ideas > > into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as long as I > > legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E N T I A L > > damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my not > > giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to walk, like > > some Rett Syndrome girls. > > > > In addition, as for my experience.. ... When they gave *me* the MMR in > > the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY > > FORCE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.. ...not only did I have to > > recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to the point > > I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to think they > > pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny defenseless > > creatures. > > > > Sola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 But here is the rub.........those shots MIGHT make the symptoms worse, or cause symptoms that might not otherwise have appeared if the shot had not been administered. Erring on the side of caution, they call it. As I stated, I did not give my daughter any more shots as a toddler once I knew she had 'something going on'.....and I don't have proof or statistics....but my question remains....if I had....would she now be wheelchair bound, rather than mobile? A legitimate question. Has anyone checked into it in depth. I doubt it. > > > From: † Angel <sola_blue_angel@ ...> > > > Subject: Why would an autistic person > > be 'offended' > > > To: AutisticSpectrumTre eHouse@yahoogrou ps.com > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and > > may contribute to > > > > > > autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if all > > > > > > sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine > > smoke, > > > > > > pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I have > > the > > > > > > right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with throwing > > ideas > > > > > > into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as long > > as I > > > > > > legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E N T I > > A L > > > > > > damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my not > > > > > > giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to walk, > > like > > > > > > some Rett Syndrome girls. > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition, as for my experience.. ... When they gave *me* the MMR > > in > > > > > > the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY > > > > > > FORCE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.. ...not only did I > > have to > > > > > > recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to the > > point > > > > > > I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to think > > they > > > > > > pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny defenseless > > > > > > creatures. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 It ISNT common knowledge! My T at the time had to tell my MD about the PDD . .. . -- Why would an autistic person be 'offended' > To: AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and may contribute to > > autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if all > > sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine smoke, > > pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I have the > > right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with throwing ideas > > into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as long as I > > legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E N T I A L > > damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my not > > giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to walk, like > > some Rett Syndrome girls. > > > > In addition, as for my experience.. ... When they gave *me* the MMR in > > the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY > > FORCE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.. ...not only did I have to > > recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to the point > > I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to think they > > pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny defenseless > > creatures. > > > > Sola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Um, I disagree . . . -- Why would an autistic person be 'offended' > To: AutisticSpectrumTre eHouse@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and may contribute to > > autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if all > > sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine smoke, > > pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I have the > > right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with throwing ideas > > into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as long as I > > legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E N T I A L > > damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my not > > giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to walk, like > > some Rett Syndrome girls. > > > > In addition, as for my experience.. ... When they gave *me* the MMR in > > the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY > > FORCE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.. ...not only did I have to > > recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to the point > > I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to think they > > pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny defenseless > > creatures. > > > > Sola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 A lot less ppl know abt autism than u may think -- Why would an autistic person be 'offended' > To: AutisticSpectrumTre eHouse@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and may contribute to > > autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if all > > sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine smoke, > > pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I have the > > right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with throwing ideas > > into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as long as I > > legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E N T I A L > > damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my not > > giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to walk, like > > some Rett Syndrome girls. > > > > In addition, as for my experience.. ... When they gave *me* the MMR in > > the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY > > FORCE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.. ...not only did I have to > > recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to the point > > I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to think they > > pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny defenseless > > creatures. > > > > Sola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Better dead than in a wheelchair? another legitimate question.... -jypsy At 04:34 PM 1/27/2009, † Angel wrote: >But here is the rub.........those shots MIGHT make the symptoms >worse, or cause symptoms that might not otherwise have appeared if >the shot had not been administered. Erring on the side of caution, >they call it. As I stated, I did not give my daughter any more shots >as a toddler once I knew she had 'something going on'.....and I don't >have proof or statistics....but my question remains....if I >had....would she now be wheelchair bound, rather than mobile? A >legitimate question. Has anyone checked into it in depth. I doubt it. > > > > > > > From: † Angel <sola_blue_angel@ ...> > > > > > Subject: Why would an autistic person > > > > be 'offended' > > > > > To: AutisticSpectrumTre eHouse@yahoogrou ps.com > > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and > > > > may contribute to > > > > > > > > > > autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if >all > > > > > > > > > > sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine > > > > smoke, > > > > > > > > > > pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I have > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with throwing > > > > ideas > > > > > > > > > > into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as long > > > > as I > > > > > > > > > > legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E N T >I > > > > A L > > > > > > > > > > damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my not > > > > > > > > > > giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to walk, > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > some Rett Syndrome girls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition, as for my experience.. ... When they gave *me* the >MMR > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY > > > > > > > > > > FORCE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.. ...not only did I > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to the > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to >think > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny >defenseless > > > > > > > > > > creatures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 > But here is the rub.........those shots MIGHT make the symptoms > worse, or cause symptoms that might not otherwise have appeared if > the shot had not been administered. Erring on the side of caution, > they call it. As I stated, I did not give my daughter any more shots > as a toddler once I knew she had 'something going on'.....and I don't > have proof or statistics....but my question remains....if I > had....would she now be wheelchair bound, rather than mobile? A > legitimate question. Has anyone checked into it in depth. I doubt it. I don't really want to get involved in this whole thing, but I just want to add that we ingest far more mercury via the our food, especially if we eat anything from a lake, river or ocean. I wouldn't be surprised if it's found in more foods than that, especially with so much being imported from countries with fewer regulations, such as within the manufacturing process. Compared to the amount of mercury we come across in everyday life, the mercury found in vaccination shots should not even be worth mentioning (which someone has pointed out is no longer the case, but I don't know if they meant just North America, the UK or that worldwide it is practice of the past). I think a baby is most affected by genes and heredity, and it's environment, both in the womb and later. Besides mercury, there's a whole slew of toxins we take in everyday, most of it due to industry and manufacturing. Synthetic estrogens alone, which are found in an array of products, should be a lot more alarming if anyone's really worried about future generations and the prevalence of cancers and other serious health problems. They are most dangerous to the developing baby, not those already born, but it's being used in so many products (as are other manufactured questionables) by companies that have the power to keep on doing what they do. And in the meantime, people go with these notions, such as with blaming mercury in vaccination shots, which helps to distract us from the real issues. It's a scare tactic, and it seems, to me anyway, that it's only purpose is to throw the blame elsewhere, like bait. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Genetics says you're wrong. Rett Syndrome is caused, no matter what your conspiracy theorist buddies say, by specific genes. Learn to fact. Thanks! From: † Angel <sola_blue_angel@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Why would an autistic person be 'offended' To: AutisticSpectrumTre eHouse@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 2:22 PM Hello,..... well, I wouldn't exactly say it is 'common knowledge , since I had to tell my doctor (MD) what Rett Syndrome even is. It is pretty well known though in the Rett Syndrome Family community, if there is such a thing. I went to a Rett Seminar once, and what I noticed was there were alot of *BIG HEADS (*aka egos). There was too much " me, me, I'm special " .... type of garbage on display. > From: † Angel <sola_blue_angel@ ...> > Subject: Why would an autistic person be 'offended' > To: AutisticSpectrumTre eHouse@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and may contribute to > > autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if all > > sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine smoke, > > pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I have the > > right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with throwing ideas > > into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as long as I > > legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E N T I A L > > damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my not > > giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to walk, like > > some Rett Syndrome girls. > > > > In addition, as for my experience.. ... When they gave *me* the MMR in > > the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY > > FORCE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.. ...not only did I have to > > recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to the point > > I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to think they > > pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny defenseless > > creatures. > > > > Sola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Well said paula!!! K > > > > > But here is the rub.........those shots MIGHT make the symptoms > > worse, or cause symptoms that might not otherwise have appeared if > > the shot had not been administered. Erring on the side of caution, > > they call it. As I stated, I did not give my daughter any more shots > > as a toddler once I knew she had 'something going on'.....and I don't > > have proof or statistics....but my question remains....if I > > had....would she now be wheelchair bound, rather than mobile? A > > legitimate question. Has anyone checked into it in depth. I doubt it. > > I don't really want to get involved in this whole thing, but I just > want to add that we ingest far more mercury via the our food, > especially if we eat anything from a lake, river or ocean. I wouldn't > be surprised if it's found in more foods than that, especially with so > much being imported from countries with fewer regulations, such as > within the manufacturing process. > > Compared to the amount of mercury we come across in everyday life, the > mercury found in vaccination shots should not even be worth mentioning > (which someone has pointed out is no longer the case, but I don't know > if they meant just North America, the UK or that worldwide it is > practice of the past). I think a baby is most affected by genes and > heredity, and it's environment, both in the womb and later. Besides > mercury, there's a whole slew of toxins we take in everyday, most of > it due to industry and manufacturing. Synthetic estrogens alone, > which are found in an array of products, should be a lot more alarming > if anyone's really worried about future generations and the prevalence > of cancers and other serious health problems. They are most dangerous > to the developing baby, not those already born, but it's being used in > so many products (as are other manufactured questionables) by > companies that have the power to keep on doing what they do. And in > the meantime, people go with these notions, such as with blaming > mercury in vaccination shots, which helps to distract us from the real > issues. It's a scare tactic, and it seems, to me anyway, that it's > only purpose is to throw the blame elsewhere, like bait. > > a > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 If Rhett's i9snt an ASD then y is it listed in Spectrum diosorders -- Why would an autistic person be 'offended' > To: AutisticSpectrumTre eHouse@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and may contribute to > > autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if all > > sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine smoke, > > pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I have the > > right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with throwing ideas > > into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as long as I > > legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E N T I A L > > damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my not > > giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to walk, like > > some Rett Syndrome girls. > > > > In addition, as for my experience.. ... When they gave *me* the MMR in > > the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY > > FORCE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.. ...not only did I have to > > recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to the point > > I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to think they > > pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny defenseless > > creatures. > > > > Sola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 It is an ASD. It's also caused by.... *drumroll* a mecp2 mutation. Except in cases where it's caused by a cdkl5 mutation. I don't understand why this is so hard to comprehend. From: † Angel <sola_blue_angel@ yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Why would an autistic person be 'offended' To: AutisticSpectrumTre eHouse@yahoogrou ps.com Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 2:22 PM Hello,..... well, I wouldn't exactly say it is 'common knowledge , since I had to tell my doctor (MD) what Rett Syndrome even is. It is pretty well known though in the Rett Syndrome Family community, if there is such a thing. I went to a Rett Seminar once, and what I noticed was there were alot of *BIG HEADS (*aka egos). There was too much " me, me, I'm special " .... type of garbage on display. > From: † Angel <sola_blue_angel@ ...> > Subject: Why would an autistic person be 'offended' > To: AutisticSpectrumTre eHouse@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and may contribute to > > autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if all > > sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine smoke, > > pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I have the > > right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with throwing ideas > > into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as long as I > > legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E N T I A L > > damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my not > > giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to walk, like > > some Rett Syndrome girls. > > > > In addition, as for my experience.. ... When they gave *me* the MMR in > > the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY > > FORCE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.. ...not only did I have to > > recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to the point > > I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to think they > > pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny defenseless > > creatures. > > > > Sola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 She's not dead. She's not in a wheelchair. > > > > > > > From: † Angel <sola_blue_angel@ ...> > > > > > > > Subject: Why would an autistic person > > > > > > be 'offended' > > > > > > > To: AutisticSpectrumTre eHouse@yahoogrou ps.com > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and > > > > > > may contribute to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if > >all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine > > > > > > smoke, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I have > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with throwing > > > > > > ideas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as long > > > > > > as I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E N T > >I > > > > > > A L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to walk, > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some Rett Syndrome girls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition, as for my experience.. ... When they gave *me* the > >MMR > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FORCE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.. ...not only did I > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to the > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to > >think > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny > >defenseless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creatures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 It's not hard to comprehend, but it doesn't mean vaccinations are safe, does it? They also might not be safe for kids with genetic mutations, in a particular *way* that might not affect a child without a genetic 'difference'. How a person responds biologically to a vaccine VARIES. Sola > > > > > From: † Angel <sola_blue_angel@ ...> > > > > > Subject: Why would an autistic person > > > > be 'offended' > > > > > To: AutisticSpectrumTre eHouse@yahoogrou ps.com > > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and > > > > may contribute to > > > > > > > > > > autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if all > > > > > > > > > > sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine > > > > smoke, > > > > > > > > > > pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I have > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with throwing > > > > ideas > > > > > > > > > > into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as long > > > > as I > > > > > > > > > > legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E N T I > > > > A L > > > > > > > > > > damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my not > > > > > > > > > > giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to walk, > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > some Rett Syndrome girls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition, as for my experience.. ... When they gave *me* the MMR > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY > > > > > > > > > > FORCE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.. ...not only did I > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to the > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to think > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny defenseless > > > > > > > > > > creatures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 **virtual applause for Parrish** -- Re: Why would an autistic person be 'offended' > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance No one disputes that. Mercury is poisonous. That's been a settled matter for some time. It should be noted, however, that when we're talking about vaccines, we're not discussing mercury per se, but thimerosal, which is a molecule that has an atom of mercury as part of its structure. Therefore, receiving an injection that contains thimerosal is not the same thing as receiving one that contains atomic mercury. And in any event, it's moot -- thimerosal has been removed from almost all vaccines anyway. > and may contribute to autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I can't speak for anyone else, but I get really angry when I hear bad science, especially bad science that's been discredited. > I have the right to such 'thinking' No one said you didn't. If you want to believe that mercury causes autism, you go right ahead -- no one is going to try to stop you, even if they could, just like no one will ever convince a Flat Earther that the earth is actually round. > and really what is wrong with throwing ideas into the mix. Some ideas aren't really worthy of discussion. If a scientist today were to start talking about phlogiston in anything other than an historical context, other scientists would regard it as a waste of time because the phlogiston theory of combustion was discredited centuries ago. > I got sick from the vaccine I'm very sorry to hear that, but that doesn't mean that the vaccine was itself inherently harmful. Some people are allergic to peanuts, too, but that doesn't mean that peanuts themselves are dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Vaccines are safer than whooping cough, for example, especially for girls with RS who have unusually high rates of pneumonia. Or safer than measles, which can cause SSPE, especially for girls with RS, who have unusually high rates of seizures. Or than diptheria, again, breathing problems. Or polio...again...breathing problems. Or mumps, adn we're back to seizures. Vaccines are not the enemy here. Subject: Re: Why would an autistic person be 'offended' To: AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 11:09 PM It's not hard to comprehend, but it doesn't mean vaccinations are safe, does it? They also might not be safe for kids with genetic mutations, in a particular *way* that might not affect a child without a genetic 'difference' . How a person responds biologically to a vaccine VARIES. Sola > > > > > From: † Angel <sola_blue_angel@ ...> > > > > > Subject: Why would an autistic person > > > > be 'offended' > > > > > To: AutisticSpectrumTre eHouse@yahoogrou ps.com > > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and > > > > may contribute to > > > > > > > > > > autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if all > > > > > > > > > > sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine > > > > smoke, > > > > > > > > > > pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I have > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with throwing > > > > ideas > > > > > > > > > > into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as long > > > > as I > > > > > > > > > > legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E N T I > > > > A L > > > > > > > > > > damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my not > > > > > > > > > > giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to walk, > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > some Rett Syndrome girls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition, as for my experience.. ... When they gave *me* the MMR > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY > > > > > > > > > > FORCE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.. ...not only did I > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to the > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to think > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny defenseless > > > > > > > > > > creatures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 obviously. but those same shots that " MIGHT make the symptoms worse " might also save her life -jypsy At 01:05 AM 1/28/2009, † Angel wrote: >She's not dead. She's not in a wheelchair. > > > > > > > > > > > From: † Angel <sola_blue_angel@ ...> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Why would an autistic person > > > > > > > > be 'offended' > > > > > > > > > To: AutisticSpectrumTre eHouse@yahoogrou ps.com > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and > > > > > > > > may contribute to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if > > >all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine > > > > > > > > smoke, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I >have > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with >throwing > > > > > > > > ideas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as >long > > > > > > > > as I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E >N T > > >I > > > > > > > > A L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my >not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to >walk, > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some Rett Syndrome girls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition, as for my experience.. ... When they gave *me* >the > > >MMR > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FORCE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.. ...not only >did I > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to >the > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to > > >think > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny > > >defenseless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creatures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Your evidence that Retts kids may respond differently is........? -jypsy At 01:09 AM 1/28/2009, † Angel wrote: >It's not hard to comprehend, but it doesn't mean vaccinations are >safe, does it? They also might not be safe for kids with genetic >mutations, in a particular *way* that might not affect a child >without a genetic 'difference'. How a person responds biologically to >a vaccine VARIES. > >Sola > > > > > > > > > > > From: † Angel <sola_blue_angel@ ...> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Why would an autistic person > > > > > > > > be 'offended' > > > > > > > > > To: AutisticSpectrumTre eHouse@yahoogrou ps.com > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and > > > > > > > > may contribute to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine > > > > > > > > smoke, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I have > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with throwing > > > > > > > > ideas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as long > > > > > > > > as I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E N T I > > > > > > > > A L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to walk, > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some Rett Syndrome girls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition, as for my experience.. ... When they gave *me* the >MMR > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FORCE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.. ...not only did I > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to the > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to think > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny defenseless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creatures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Bear wrote: If Rhett's i9snt an ASD then y is it listed in Spectrum diosorders ----- First, look at the links I put at the end of the other post I just did. As with all conditions, doctors try to categorize things by what they can see. Since there is a stage in Retts that looks very autistic, and it occurs during the time when diagnosis is most likely to occur, it was categorized at first as an autism-spectrum disorder. This was many years ago, when it was first recognized. Some places on the web are not fully updated, and show the gradual shift from " the most severe autism condition " to " not autism, but part of the Spectrum, " and now, " not autism, but showing autism-like symptoms at certain times. " Over the last several years they are finding that most components do NOT fit in well with ASDs. Instead, they now know that it is a degeneration caused by a genetic disorder, with an autistic-like phase of behaviors and social withdrawal. Diagnosis practice changes as better understanding is developed. S. " I won't do all the neurotypicals want, but you have to go halfway... You can't degeekify the geeks, but you can be a polite geek. " -- Temple Grandin " Cherish forever what makes you unique, because you're really a yawn if it goes. " -- Bette Midler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I'm talking about real life, not woulda coulda shoulda. You just haven't made the effort to SEE the picture. Those da*% vaccines aren't as great as you think they are. Vaccines aren't the perfect solution......similarly it isn't perfect, the choice I had to make at the time.....THERE IS NO PERFECTION, THE WORLD OF DISEASE ISN'T MADE PERFECT JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE VACCINES. A magic bullet they ARE NOT! It isn't as black and white as some here would like to think....it actually is rather grey......how bout that book Sophie's Choice. Remember that. Well, sometimes life mandates a 'catch 22' scenerio....and YOU HAVE TO CHOOSE FROM TWO *FAULTY CHOICES (*KIND OF LIKE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS) BASED ON YOU, NOT ON THE HERD MENTALITY. > > > > > > > > > > > From: † Angel <sola_blue_angel@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Why would an autistic person > > > > > > > > > > be 'offended' > > > > > > > > > > > To: AutisticSpectrumTre eHouse@yahoogrou ps.com > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:03 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that some believe mercury is a harmful substance, and > > > > > > > > > > may contribute to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autism? What in tarnation is offensive about that? I wonder if > > > >all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorts of things caused my daughter to have Rett Syndrome. Pine > > > > > > > > > > smoke, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pesticides, trazadone, anything that my mind could fathom. I > >have > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right to such 'thinking' and really what is wrong with > >throwing > > > > > > > > > > ideas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into the mix. I stopped getting my daughter immunized for as > >long > > > > > > > > > > as I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > legally could because I didn't want to do additional P O T E > >N T > > > >I > > > > > > > > > > A L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > damage. But she DID receive immunizations as a baby. Maybe my > >not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving her anymore prevented her from losing the ability to > >walk, > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some Rett Syndrome girls. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition, as for my experience.. ... When they gave *me* > >the > > > >MMR > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the hospital after I gave birth to her, ALMOST BY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FORCE!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!! I was MAD!!!!!!!.. ...not only > >did I > > > > > > > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recover from a c-section, but I got sick from the vaccine, to > >the > > > > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I couldn't sit up, and had a severe arthritis attack. And to > > > >think > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pump babies full of that crap when they are teeny tiny > > > >defenseless > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > creatures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sola > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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