Re: The Facts ABout Mercury and Autism

January 11, 2009

_http://www.immunizationinfo.org/thimerosal_mercury_detail.cfv?id=136_

(http://www.immunizationinfo.org/thimerosal_mercury_detail.cfv?id=136)

Above is one research review paper. Mercury is toxic ... some forms. One of

my graduate professors accidentally got mercury on her skin one day while

experimenting and 6 months later died of mercury poisoning. Some of my children

showed signs of autism before they got any vaccines. After talking with my

mother, I did, too. I do believe those of us with a sensitivity to it may show

more exaggerated signs. This is believable to me because I am very sensitive

to many chemicals and medicines. I must take baby medicines for colds, at baby

doses, as adult doses knock me out. I break out when I clean my house

because my skin is so sensitive to the cleaning supplies. If someone wears too

much

cologne or I smell some other such smelly thing, I break out or my throat

swells, etc. My daughter had a severe reaction to her DPT shot. She never had

the T again. No more problems. We are very sensitive.

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January 11, 2009

" The United States is in the midst of a tragic epidemic of autism. "

No, nothing factual there.

It's rather obvious where these " facts " came from. I don't think this

list is the place for a propaganda war

-jypsy

At 02:21 AM 1/11/2009, emotional_bear88 wrote:

>THE FACTS:

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January 11, 2009

I'm glad the United States is in the middle of such a " tragic epidemic " .

Maybe now we won't need to import our engineers from India and China.

On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 6:47 AM, jypsy [ janet norman-bain ] <

jypsy@...> wrote:

> " The United States is in the midst of a tragic epidemic of autism. "

>

> No, nothing factual there.

>

> It's rather obvious where these " facts " came from. I don't think this

> list is the place for a propaganda war

>

> -jypsy

>

> At 02:21 AM 1/11/2009, emotional_bear88 wrote:

>

> >THE FACTS:

>

> ________________________________

>

January 11, 2009

I know mercury isn't great, but I've not become more autistic since

having mercury fillings ...

Ruth

January 11, 2009

At 11:49 AM 1/11/2009, alisongraf@... wrote:

>_<http://www.immunizationinfo.org/thimerosal_mercury_detail.cfv?id=136_>http://\

www.immunizationinfo.org/thimerosal_mercury_detail.cfv?id=136_

>

>(http://www.immunizationinfo.org/thimerosal_mercury_detail.cfv?id=136)

>

>Above is one research review paper. Mercury is toxic ... some forms.

Mercury, all forms, can be toxic, depending on the dose.

Water is toxic too if you drink too much of it.

-jypsy

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January 11, 2009

In a message dated 1/11/2009 9:31:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, tc@...

writes:

Now read carefully

" E. Wetterhahn, 48, who also had served as an associate dean and a

dean at the college, died on Sunday, about 10 months after accidentally

spilling a few drops of dimethylmercury on her disposable latex gloves

while performing a laboratory experiment. The substance, which has no

practical application, is used in research on heavy metals. "

I am reading carefully. It says she spilled it on her gloves. That wouldn't

cause death, as that's what gloves are for. Our professor got it on her skin

and did die from it and left 1, or maybe 2 I forget, very small children and a

husband behind. I don't know who the above person is, but it is not the name

of the professor at our college.

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January 11, 2009

> Above is one research review paper. Mercury is toxic ... some forms. One of

> my graduate professors accidentally got mercury on her skin one day while

> experimenting and 6 months later died of mercury poisoning.

Not from Mercury she didn't.

Now read carefully

" E. Wetterhahn, 48, who also had served as an associate dean and a

dean at the college, died on Sunday, about 10 months after accidentally

spilling a few drops of dimethylmercury on her disposable latex gloves

while performing a laboratory experiment. The substance, which has no

practical application, is used in research on heavy metals. "

January 12, 2009

Oh, God....how did this stupid glurge get started here? I thought that it

was limited to open forums where people like curbies swarm, not here with us

who know the real story...

....maybe I had better put in a message rule to delete posts with mercury in

them-this kind of mercury makes me sick.

Gail

-- Re: The Facts ABout Mercury and Autism

" The United States is in the midst of a tragic epidemic of autism. "

No, nothing factual there.

It's rather obvious where these " facts " came from. I don't think this

list is the place for a propaganda war

-jypsy

At 02:21 AM 1/11/2009, emotional_bear88 wrote:

>THE FACTS:

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January 13, 2009

2009/1/13 Gail :

> Oh, God....how did this stupid glurge get started here? I thought that it

> was limited to open forums where people like curbies swarm, not here with us

> who know the real story...

Well, maybe not everyone here knows " the real story " . so it's good to

discuss here time to time to educate them.

I know when I first joined online forums it took me a while to get

beyond each new theory that arose. Let's have patience ...

Ruth

January 13, 2009

At 08:11 AM 1/13/2009, Autiste Ruth wrote:

>2009/1/13 Gail :

> > Oh, God....how did this stupid glurge get started here? I thought that it

> > was limited to open forums where people like curbies swarm, not

> here with us

> > who know the real story...

>

>Well, maybe not everyone here knows " the real story " . so it's good to

>discuss here time to time to educate them.

hey.... I thought " educate " was my suggestion and " killfile them " was

yours....

change of heart?

I still don't believe this stuff belongs on this list. There are

plenty of others. Might I suggest the poster tune in to the blogs at

the Autism-Hub: http://www.autism-hub.co.uk/ and science bloggers

like http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/ to balance out the info

they're getting from Kirby, the Huffington Post, etc.

- jypsy

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January 13, 2009

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:35 AM, jypsy [ janet norman-bain ] <

jypsy@...> wrote:

> I still don't believe this stuff belongs on this list.

*I* don't think it belongs *anywhere*. Science should no longer be

investigating the alleged link between mercury and autism any more than they

should be conducting experiments to determine the properties of phlogiston.

That having been said, however, this *is* a list where all topics are open

for discussion.

January 13, 2009

At 09:28 AM 1/13/2009, Parrish S. Knight wrote:

>That having been said, however, this *is* a list where all topics are open

>for discussion.

I was expressing my very own (humble?) opinion there, not at all

suggesting that it was any sort of " list rule " or anything. Sorry if

it came across that way.

Until the cause(s) of autism(s) are nailed down, I don't think *any*

discussion is off the table, I would just choose to not sit at some

tables, not participate in some discussions and certainly, when it

comes to spending research dollars, there are places I would and

would not choose to spend them (were I given a say)

-jypsy

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January 13, 2009

2009/1/13 jypsy [ janet norman-bain ] :

> hey.... I thought " educate " was my suggestion and " killfile them " was

> yours....

>

> change of heart?

I don't remember exactly what's been said by who, but my suggestion to

killfile was intended as an alternative to people who would otherwise

post abusively about the original poster and be really pissed off.

My preference has always been to try to educate, as kindly and

sensitively as possible but sometimes firmly too. I have a small

number of people killfiled who eventually have riled me to the point

that I can no longer respond with kindness and sensitivity to them. I

hope that others out there are able to do so though.

Ruth

January 13, 2009

2009/1/13 Parrish S. Knight :

> That having been said, however, this *is* a list where all topics are open

> for discussion.

Exactly. The subject is not banned here, so it's not right to get at

someone for bringing it up.

Ruth

January 13, 2009

At 02:14 PM 1/13/2009, Autiste Ruth wrote:

>2009/1/13 Parrish S. Knight

><:

>

> > That having been said, however, this *is* a list where all topics are open

> > for discussion.

>

>Exactly. The subject is not banned here, so it's not right to get at

>someone for bringing it up.

>

>Ruth

On my part it was pure exasperation.

I know that no matter of science will convince the hardcore Mercury

Militia. If they found the cause of autism tomorrow some will always

believe it's mercury. However, when our own peer group, a group that

stereotypically is more logic than emotion driven, is trying to

spread that kind of anti-scientific information amongst us

(especially after earlier attempts weren't that well received) , it

causes the exasperated use of adjectives that you and others might object to.

For my part, I'm not criticizing the messenger, my problem is the

message. But, that's *my* problem.

-jypsy

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January 13, 2009

2009/1/13 jypsy [ janet norman-bain ] :

However, when our own peer group, a group that

> stereotypically is more logic than emotion driven, is trying to

> spread that kind of anti-scientific information amongst us

> (especially after earlier attempts weren't that well received) , it

> causes the exasperated use of adjectives that you and others might object

> to.

FWIW I don't think she was trying to " spread " anything. She posted

something that caught her interest, is all, not realising it would

cause such a reaction here.

Also remember although we share a diagnosis yet we all work

differently. I've come across some really pretty emotional ACs.

Probably I can be one, though I can be logical too. Let's not

stereotype among ourselves; there are many out there who can do it

without us joining in.

Ruth

January 13, 2009

You nailed it in one -exasperation. I'm just really worn out at present,

having gone through yet anonother year of not being able to stay in a forum

or game for more than a couple months before the NTs cant stand me and ban

me, or I run in fear from their inexplicable love of death and killing

(games). No matter how hard I try to watch and see how others act and do

things that make them liked, it does work for me. And 'just be myself' gets

me throw out even faster, with ridicule, lies and hatred thrown after me.

So I wind up staying away from all groups now, except this one, thinking I

might be safe here....

Gail

-- Re: The Facts ABout Mercury and Autism

At 02:14 PM 1/13/2009, Autiste Ruth wrote:

>2009/1/13 Parrish S. Knight

><<mailto:pianodwarf%40gmail.com & gt;pianodwarf@...>:

>

> > That having been said, however, this *is* a list where all topics are

open

> > for discussion.

>

>Exactly. The subject is not banned here, so it's not right to get at

>someone for bringing it up.

>

>Ruth

On my part it was pure exasperation.

I know that no matter of science will convince the hardcore Mercury

Militia. If they found the cause of autism tomorrow some will always

believe it's mercury. However, when our own peer group, a group that

stereotypically is more logic than emotion driven, is trying to

spread that kind of anti-scientific information amongst us

(especially after earlier attempts weren't that well received) , it

causes the exasperated use of adjectives that you and others might object to

For my part, I'm not criticizing the messenger, my problem is the

message. But, that's *my* problem.

-jypsy

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January 13, 2009

2009/1/13 Gail :

> So I wind up staying away from all groups now, except this one, thinking I

> might be safe here....

Maybe read the headers in your inbox before opening the posts, and if

they're as well labelled as this thread you could delete unwanted

stuff unread? Then no one interferes with anyone else's right to

post, but you don't have to deal with it if you don't feel up to it.

I think there's a level at which we need to take responsibility for

dealing with or avoiding things we can't easily manage. We can't

expect others to know, and also at times needs clash. As an organiser

of Autscape I am well aware of this!.

Ruth

January 13, 2009

Hi Gail,

You are safe here in my book! I like you!

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