Guest guest Posted May 29, 2001 Report Share Posted May 29, 2001 In a message dated 01-05-29 14:08:41 EDT, you write: << IMHO, It would be much more useful if people with impaired glucose handling were educated to essentially consider themselves as type 2's and live accordingly. The demand for diabetes medication might actually decline. >> Good post, Tom! Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2001 Report Share Posted May 29, 2001 While 126 fasting is the diagnosis level for diabetes, a fasting reading of 110 or higher is generally considered " impaired. " There are more and more studies being published indicating that fasting blood sugar levels of 105 are high enough to measurably increase risks of complications such as heart problems. I'll try to post some references when I get some time. I get very upset with doctors who tell people that 150 is OK. I wish I would have known when I was just " impaired. " I could have changed my WOE then, and perhaps avoided ever reaching the level of diagnosed diabetes. IMHO, It would be much more useful if people with impaired glucose handling were educated to essentially consider themselves as type 2's and live accordingly. The demand for diabetes medication might actually decline. Tom the Actuary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2001 Report Share Posted May 30, 2001 Hi Tom: Shauna is 14 and has had type 1 diabetes for 2 years. Since onset she has done quite well in maintaining adequate blood sugar levels. Youth and children have the added challenge of growth hormones that cause major fluctuations in bsl. At present she is under the care of a pediatrician and diabetic team that have not mentioned low carb eating. We evaluate how well she is doing by a combination of viewing her bloods sugars and more importantly her Ha1c results. Dr. S. states that the Ha1c is the best indicator of how a diabetic has done. Shauna's bs's fluctuate a lot and are especially volatile during competitive sports. Adrenalin will cause her bs to rise and then the activity will bring it down. Sometimes there is a delayed reaction in coming down...hours later. We have tried different methods of dealing with this. We will be going to a large academic children's hospital this fall so I will inquire about low carb eating for children. From reading other postings it sounds like it is not recommended by the traditional medical establishment. I will be interested in finding out what the Canadian Diabetic Assoc. thinks. I must bare in mind that type 1 and type 2 diabetes are very different, and that type 1 in a child is very different than type 1 in an adult. Very soon, Shauna will be making her own decisions. My job is to keep her as safe and healthy as possible for the time being. " J. Bolen " wrote: > , apparently you live in a country where blood sugars are measured in > mmol/L. In the USA they are measured in mg/dL. You can convert your > readings to mg/dL by multiplying by 18. > > For example your reading of 4.0 mmol/L converts to 72 mg/dL. This is a > little higher than the 65 mg/dL that is generally considered the cutoff for > a hypo, but I can see it as a useful minimum for a child. > > On the high side, a reading of 8.0 mmol/L translates to 144 mg/dL. This is > higher than I would like since it is high enough to cause damage. However, > I'm speaking as a type 2 adult. I would like to keep my readings in the > range of 5.0 - 6.0 mmol/L (i.e., 90 - 108 mg/dL). I have peaks (dawn > phenomenon and post meal) in the 6.5 - 7.0 mmol/L range (117 - 126 > " American " ), but I try to avoid anything higher. Perhaps it is hard for a > child to maintain such a level of control, but I would think one would want > to avoid readings over, say, 6.5 mmol/L for any significant length of time > at any age since there is growing evidence that these levels cause > cumulative harm. > > How old is Shauna? You may have mentioned it in a prior post, but I don't > remember. Perhaps others who have diabetic children can chime in with more > specific child oriented information. > > Tom the Actuary > > Website for Diabetes International: > http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int > > Post message: diabetes_int > Subscribe: diabetes_int-subscribe > Unsubscribe: diabetes_int-unsubscribe > List owner: diabetes_int-owner / > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes_int or try: > http://www.yahoo.com > Join A Group > diabetes_int > Join This Group > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2001 Report Share Posted May 31, 2001 , for a time we had on this list a mother with an extremely active 11-year-old type 1 diabetic son who, in addition to the diabetes, had gastroparesis. They were absolutely unable to get good control using traditional methods and finally in despair, after seeing many doctors with absolutely no success in controlling BGs, the mother made an appointmentment with the great Dr. Bernstein himself and flew across the country with her son to become his patient. He did put Gabe on a lowcarb diet and for the first time since diagnosis he got good control, which has continued more than two years later I still have n's email address. I'll email her and ask if she'll share her experience with you, if you'd like. It would indeed be unusual if you found a doctor (besides Bernstein) who advocates lowcabing for children. Bu it apparently is workable. Vicki In a message dated 01-05-30 23:44:50 EDT, you write: << thinks. I must bare in mind that type 1 and type 2 diabetes are very different, and that type 1 in a child is very different than type 1 in an adult. Very soon, Shauna will be making her own decisions. My job is to keep her as safe and healthy as possible for the time being. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2001 Report Share Posted May 31, 2001 ....and BTW, , have you read Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions, the book I referred to, by K. Bernstein, M.D.? Although he doesn't have anything in the book specifically relating to children, it is full of really excellent information and covers stuff generally not found in other books about diabetes. Dr. Bernstein also has a website. It is a link on our own website, URL at bottom of this page. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2001 Report Share Posted May 31, 2001 , I have contacted n and she said she'd be glad to exchange posts with you regarding control of your daughter's diabetes. . (She's the one with the 11-year-old active diabetic son who is Bernstein's patient). She also quite correctly pointed out that she has been working with Ron Sebol (as I have) using a refinement of Bernstein's program, so it's not as lowcarb as Bernstein advocates but is more realistic. She will be glad to discuss with you her experiences with her diabetic kid and lowcarbing and support as needed. You can reach her at Drmarion12@.... Take care Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2001 Report Share Posted May 31, 2001 , I suggest that you take Vicki up on her offer to put you in touch with n (who has the type 1 son). I was going to make the same offer to you, but Vicki was faster. n has also spent a lot of time working with Ron Sebol (who is very experienced on insulin dosing issues) to develop dosing guidelines that increase her son's blood sugar control. The last time I was in contact with n she was very willing to try to be useful to others with diabetic children. As others have said, you are not likely to get a favorable response to low carb eating from many in the medical profession in either Canada or the USA. Some will go along with you when they see it works, and some are openly hostle. Only a few are really supportive, but their numbers are growing because it works. Tom the Actuary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2001 Report Share Posted May 31, 2001 thanks Vicki, I will take this mom up on her offer. whimsy2@... wrote: > , I have contacted n and she said she'd be glad to exchange posts > with you regarding control of your daughter's diabetes. . (She's the one > with the 11-year-old active diabetic son who is Bernstein's patient). She > also quite correctly pointed out that she has been working with Ron Sebol (as > I have) using a refinement of Bernstein's program, so it's not as lowcarb > as Bernstein advocates but is more realistic. She will be glad to discuss > with you her experiences with her diabetic kid and lowcarbing and support as > needed. You can reach her at > > Drmarion12@.... > > Take care Vicki > > Website for Diabetes International: > http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int > > Post message: diabetes_int > Subscribe: diabetes_int-subscribe > Unsubscribe: diabetes_int-unsubscribe > List owner: diabetes_int-owner / > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes_int or try: > http://www.yahoo.com > Join A Group > diabetes_int > Join This Group > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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