Re: Re: husband & son newly diagnosed

[Guest guest]

Hi, Kathy...wow, that's a double whammy...both your son and husband

diagnosed. Well, you'll learn a lot from this list, there are a lot of good

people here.

First thing I'd advise you to do is get the book " Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes

Solutions " by K. Bernstein, M.D. I think it's the best single book on

diabetes and touches on subjects other diabetes books don't even mention. He

also has a website and the URL is a link on our own list website, URL below.

There are excerpts from the book plus other good stuff on it.

How often were your son and husband told to test? Because what they eat will

have lots to do with teir BGs. Not only Sweet Stuff will raise your BGs;

carbs also will. A lot of us follow a lowcarb way of eating and have gotten

good results. The best thing they can do is eat and test and keep good

notes. There was a post from another list that I think I'll paste and send,

it had excellent advice, so I'll just send this off and copy the other post

and get back to you. Take care, Vicki

[Guest guest]

Kathy, here's a paste of that post from another list. The poster's name is

and she Gave Great Advice...here it is: (Vicki posting here)

<<

Here's the advice I give all newbies:

There is so much to absorb... you don't have to rush into anything. Begin

by using your best weapon in this war, your meter. The most important

thing you can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is test test test.

What you are looking to discover is how different foods affect you. As I'm

sure you've read, carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice... the things our

Grandmas called " starches " ) raise blood sugars the most rapidly. Protein

and fat do raise them, but not as high and much more slowly... so if you're

a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take care of the rise.

You might want to try some experiments.

First: Day one: eat whatever you've been

currently eating... but write it down.

Test yourself at the following times:

Upon waking (fasting)

1 hour after each meal

2 hours after each meal

At bedtime

That means 8 x for that day. What you will discover by this is how long

after a meal your highest reading comes... and how fast you return to

" normal " . Also, you may see that a meal that included bread, fruit or

other carbs gives you a higher reading.

Next: Day two: try to curb your carbs. For a few days eliminate breads,

cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products, potato, corn, fruit... get all

your carbs from veggies. Test at the same schedule above.

If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty damn good

readings. It's worth a few days to discover.

That's the thing about this disease... we share much in common... we need to

follow certain guidelines... but in the end, our bodies dictate our

treatment and our success.

The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater chance we have of

avoiding horrible complications. The key here is AIM... I know that

everyone is at a different point in their disease... and it is progressive.

But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, that's all we can do.

Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic numbers.

FBG 60 - 110

One hour after meals under 140

Two hours after meals under 120

Recent studies have indicated that the most important numbers are your

" after meal " numbers. They may be the most indicative of future

complications, especially heart problems.

Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your diabetic

care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is not absolute. You

will end up knowing much more about your body and how it's handling

diabetes than your doctor will. The meter is our best weapon.

Just remember, we're not in a race or a competition with anyone but

ourselves... Play around with your food plan... TEST TEST TEST. Learn what

foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings... Use your body as a science

experiment.

[Guest guest]

Vicki, this is great advice. Could you ask permission for me to put it in

our shared Files?

TIA,

Barb

> Kathy, here's a paste of that post from another list. The poster's name

is

> and she Gave Great Advice...here it is: (Vicki posting here)

> <<

>

> Here's the advice I give all newbies:

[Guest guest]

excelent advice, one thing i have had to overcome, is the guilt, it my numbers

get high for no reason, now with the help of the list, i have learned what

causes the spikes and high numbers and stay away from that stuff. aka, a lot of

extra protein will mess with me, now it may not mess with others, so i keep the

protein levles to normal also.point being once you can explane or know what

causes the spikes and highs it helps a lot, and this desiese is not your falt, i

don't care if your fat skinny or otherwise, it happens you learn to control it,

and go on with life, with out the guilt, yes we all diabetic and non diabetic

should eat better. i for one have always been over weight i felt guilty all my

life, been on diet after diet after diet, felt guilty for every bit of food that

went in my mouth. well today is a new day, i lost 100lbs for me just me, yes i

feel better, and i have 50 more to go, but i will not feel guilty anymore over

being diabetic, and fat, i did not choose either course, i have choose to loose

the weight, what i did, the main one got the diabetes undercontrol, i then felt

like being more active, the weight came off on its own. if my mother, docs would

have helped me do this i would have felt better long ago. so yes you are the

team leader, a well informed paitent makes a well informed doctor. be firm, be

tough, be incontrol. sorry to long but i just had to get that out of my system.

glenna 30yr diabetic, 30yr hypothyroidism

15mg actos, 35units nph, 360mg armor thyroid, 10mg lipitor

lo-carb,lo-fat,lo-cal, woe

Re: Re: husband & son newly diagnosed

Kathy, here's a paste of that post from another list. The poster's name is

and she Gave Great Advice...here it is: (Vicki posting here)

<<

Here's the advice I give all newbies:

There is so much to absorb... you don't have to rush into anything. Begin

by using your best weapon in this war, your meter. The most important

thing you can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is test test test.

What you are looking to discover is how different foods affect you. As I'm

sure you've read, carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice... the things our

Grandmas called " starches " ) raise blood sugars the most rapidly. Protein

and fat do raise them, but not as high and much more slowly... so if you're

a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take care of the rise.

You might want to try some experiments.

First: Day one: eat whatever you've been

currently eating... but write it down.

Test yourself at the following times:

Upon waking (fasting)

1 hour after each meal

2 hours after each meal

At bedtime

That means 8 x for that day. What you will discover by this is how long

after a meal your highest reading comes... and how fast you return to

" normal " . Also, you may see that a meal that included bread, fruit or

other carbs gives you a higher reading.

Next: Day two: try to curb your carbs. For a few days eliminate breads,

cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products, potato, corn, fruit... get all

your carbs from veggies. Test at the same schedule above.

If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty damn good

readings. It's worth a few days to discover.

That's the thing about this disease... we share much in common... we need to

follow certain guidelines... but in the end, our bodies dictate our

treatment and our success.

The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater chance we have of

avoiding horrible complications. The key here is AIM... I know that

everyone is at a different point in their disease... and it is progressive.

But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, that's all we can do.

Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic numbers.

FBG 60 - 110

One hour after meals under 140

Two hours after meals under 120

Recent studies have indicated that the most important numbers are your

" after meal " numbers. They may be the most indicative of future

complications, especially heart problems.

Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your diabetic

care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is not absolute. You

will end up knowing much more about your body and how it's handling

diabetes than your doctor will. The meter is our best weapon.

Just remember, we're not in a race or a competition with anyone but

ourselves... Play around with your food plan... TEST TEST TEST. Learn what

foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings... Use your body as a science

experiment.

[Guest guest]

Glenna wrote:

> sorry to long but i just had to get that out of my system.

> glenna 30yr diabetic, 30yr hypothyroidism

> 15mg actos, 35units nph, 360mg armor thyroid, 10mg lipitor

> lo-carb,lo-fat,lo-cal, woe

Glenna,

Enjoyed your message, but something in your signature lines rang bells in my

head..

It is this " lo-carb,lo-fat,lo-cal, woelo-carb,lo-fat,lo-cal, woe "

It is my belief from what I have learned that your cannot successfully do all

those things (low-fat, low-carb & low calorie) for any extended period of time.

That is the recipe for starvation.

Your body must get fuel from somewhere, and if you are really low-carbing ala

Bernstein or Atkins levels, & eating low-fat, then there are not enough carb

calories to fuel the body. In this condition, the body will begin digesting its

own protein (muscle) tissue to supply energy and that can lead to very serious

problems. This is what happens to bulemics & anorexics and can result in heart

failure etc.

IMHO, if you are eating very low-carb, fat is not an issue and is in fact a

primary source of energy (calories) for the body to operate on. It is also

important for many of the body processes, not just energy. Perhaps you are

eating low-fat because of all the bad press it has gotten regarding cholesterol

& heart problems. Myself and others that are stringently low-carbing have had

all the heart risk factors improve in spite of eating a diet relatively high in

fats. For a discussion of this, I refer you to " Protein Power " by Drs Eades

which has a chapter discussing this phenomenon I believe titled " the cholesterol

myth " . I may have the chapter name wrong, but its something like that.

Personally, my cholesterol dropped from 230 to 155 while eating at least a dozen

eggs a week and a quite high amount of meat protein, much of it the bad stuff

like " beef " . It may not work that way for you, but that's what happened in my

case. The Eades were right for my body.

Another thing about fat is it keeps you from being hungry and has essentially no

effect on blood glucose levels.

Well, I may have totally mis-read what your tag-line meant, but it did prompt me

to come out of lurk-dom!!

, T2, 4/98, controlling with low-carb diet only, 3 years

[Guest guest]

BEST POST I HAVE EVER READ! therfore I will not clip it...

E

dx'd 2/16/01-T2

hbA1c 2/16/01= 11.7

hbA1c 4/20/01=6.7

hbA1c 6/26/01= 5.0

44 yrs old,diet & exercise

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From: whimsy2@...

To: diabetes_int

Subject: Re: Re: husband & son newly diagnosed

Date: Fri, Jul 13, 2001, 12:32 AM

Kathy, here's a paste of that post from another list. The poster's name is

and she Gave Great Advice...here it is: (Vicki posting here)

<<

Here's the advice I give all newbies:

There is so much to absorb... you don't have to rush into anything. Begin

by using your best weapon in this war, your meter. The most important

thing you can do to learn about yourself and diabetes is test test test.

What you are looking to discover is how different foods affect you. As I'm

sure you've read, carbohydrates (sugars, wheat, rice... the things our

Grandmas called " starches " ) raise blood sugars the most rapidly. Protein

and fat do raise them, but not as high and much more slowly... so if you're

a T2, generally the insulin your body still makes may take care of the rise.

You might want to try some experiments.

First: Day one: eat whatever you've been

currently eating... but write it down.

Test yourself at the following times:

Upon waking (fasting)

1 hour after each meal

2 hours after each meal

At bedtime

That means 8 x for that day. What you will discover by this is how long

after a meal your highest reading comes... and how fast you return to

" normal " . Also, you may see that a meal that included bread, fruit or

other carbs gives you a higher reading.

Next: Day two: try to curb your carbs. For a few days eliminate breads,

cereals, rices, beans, any wheat products, potato, corn, fruit... get all

your carbs from veggies. Test at the same schedule above.

If you try this for a few days, you may find some pretty damn good

readings. It's worth a few days to discover.

That's the thing about this disease... we share much in common... we need to

follow certain guidelines... but in the end, our bodies dictate our

treatment and our success.

The closer we get to non-diabetic numbers, the greater chance we have of

avoiding horrible complications. The key here is AIM... I know that

everyone is at a different point in their disease... and it is progressive.

But, if we aim for the best numbers and do our best, that's all we can do.

Here's my opinion on what numbers to aim for, they are non-diabetic numbers.

FBG 60 - 110

One hour after meals under 140

Two hours after meals under 120

Recent studies have indicated that the most important numbers are your

" after meal " numbers. They may be the most indicative of future

complications, especially heart problems.

Listen to your doctor, but you are the leader of your diabetic

care team. While his /her advice is learned, it is not absolute. You

will end up knowing much more about your body and how it's handling

diabetes than your doctor will. The meter is our best weapon.

Just remember, we're not in a race or a competition with anyone but

ourselves... Play around with your food plan... TEST TEST TEST. Learn what

foods cause spikes, what foods cause cravings... Use your body as a science

experiment.

[Guest guest]

Wow Glenna- that is great. I have lost 35 since dx but am stuck at 170 for

now.

E

<<i lost 100lbs for me just me, yes i feel better, and i have 50 more to go,

but i will not feel guilty anymore over being diabetic, and fat, i did not

choose either course, i have choose to loose the weight, what i did, the

main one got the diabetes undercontrol, i then felt like being more active,

the weight came off on its own.>>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Barb, just got back from three days away (quilt festival)..just catching

up on email. Sure, post it to shared file. I'm sure won't mind.

Vicki

In a message dated 01-07-13 17:27:45 EDT, you write:

<<

Vicki, this is great advice. Could you ask permission for me to put it in

our shared Files?

TIA,

Barb

> Kathy, here's a paste of that post from another list. The poster's name

is

> and she Gave Great Advice...here it is: (Vicki posting here)

> <<

>

> Here's the advice I give all newbies: >>

[Guest guest]

to , Hello, my name is maxilou, new to the diabetes scene. How on

earth did you lose 100 lbs? please help me as I have 150 to lose too. I

was always the skinniest kid in my class, now I am the fattest lady I

know...almost. Would really appreciate hearing from you. Thank you. maxi

Re: Re: husband & son newly diagnosed

> Wow Glenna- that is great. I have lost 35 since dx but am stuck at 170 for

> now.

> E

>

> <<i lost 100lbs for me just me, yes i feel better, and i have 50 more to

go,

> but i will not feel guilty anymore over being diabetic, and fat, i did not

> choose either course, i have choose to loose the weight, what i did, the

> main one got the diabetes undercontrol, i then felt like being more

active,

> the weight came off on its own.>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Maxi- It was glenna who lost the weight. I have only lost 35 lbs since dx

but at my highest I was 235. I am now 170. I want to get to 150 at 5' 7 " .

E

dx'd 2/16/01-T2

hbA1c 2/16/01= 11.7

hbA1c 4/20/01=6.7

hbA1c 6/26/01= 5.0

44 yrs old,diet & exercise

<<to , Hello, my name is maxilou, new to the diabetes scene. How on

earth did you lose 100 lbs? please help me as I have 150 to lose too. I

was always the skinniest kid in my class, now I am the fattest lady I

know...almost. Would really appreciate hearing from you. Thank you.

maxi>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Glenna, what a horrendous past history, no wonder you gained and lost

weight, I am so sorry you have gone through so much and I am thankful you

are doing so well now. Thank you for responding, you are certainly an

inspiration. I wish you well in the future (in more ways than one!) Cheerio

for now, Maxilou

Re: Re: husband & son newly diagnosed

>

>

> > Wow Glenna- that is great. I have lost 35 since dx but am stuck at 170

for

> > now.

> > E

> >

> > <<i lost 100lbs for me just me, yes i feel better, and i have 50 more

to

> go,

> > but i will not feel guilty anymore over being diabetic, and fat, i did

not

> > choose either course, i have choose to loose the weight, what i did,

the

> > main one got the diabetes undercontrol, i then felt like being more

> active,

> > the weight came off on its own.>>

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

maxi, first the begining of this road was tuff and i don't recomend it, sept 1st

1994 my husband michael was murdered, i was left with a 2and 1\2yrold and

3months pg. i gained over 100lbs, i gave birth on april 19th 1995 the day of

the oklahoma city myrahh building bombing. i decided i had to live and raise my

girls. i started to babysit 8kids plus my own 10 all together 6 under the age

of 4. along with realizeing i did not eat bread i never ate sandwhiches, breanna

did not like potatos michaela was too young to eat them, without realizeing i

was cutting back on the carbs increasing my daily activitys i started to loose

the weight 3 months of caring for kids eating the right things and mowing 12

lots that i own, the 100 lbs melted off

now i am stuck at this 170-175 range and i too am 5'7 " i want to get to 125 but

i think i need to add some more exersize, i am now remarried and he eats bread,

pasta and potatos, i stay as far away as i can get from them, whitch some days

are not far enough and i slip up. but i quit feeling guilty about that a long

time ago.

well thats my story. hopeing it helps

glenna 30yr diabetic, 30yr hypothyroidism

15mg actos, 35units nph, 360mg armor thyroid, 10mg lipitor

lo-carb,lo-fat,lo-cal, woe

Re: Re: husband & son newly diagnosed

> Wow Glenna- that is great. I have lost 35 since dx but am stuck at 170 for

> now.

> E

>

> <<i lost 100lbs for me just me, yes i feel better, and i have 50 more to

go,

> but i will not feel guilty anymore over being diabetic, and fat, i did not

> choose either course, i have choose to loose the weight, what i did, the

> main one got the diabetes undercontrol, i then felt like being more

active,

> the weight came off on its own.>>

>

>