Re: Hoping group members will weigh in

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In a message dated 16/10/2006 19:20:16 GMT Daylight Time,

esilver@... writes:

Do most get to bed by 10pm, and have most given up their morning caffiene???

No and no.

Mo

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I try and usually succeed in being in bed by 10PM. But I have not given

up my morning coffee. Accordeing to Dr Lowe this is not entirely

necessary and i tend ot agree as I managed to heal my adrenals just fine

withtou giving it up.

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I am always in bed by 10:00 and go to sleep easily. But unless I take

something to help me sleep I am awake by 1 and toss and turn until morning.

Even if I take something to sleep I still wake up by 4 or 4:30.

I also have 2 cups of 1/2 caffeine coffee in the mornings. I haven't been

able to give that up and like I'm not sure if I want to!!!!

beebe

Re: Hoping group members will " weigh in "

I try and usually succeed in being in bed by 10PM. But I have not given

up my morning coffee. Accordeing to Dr Lowe this is not entirely

necessary and i tend ot agree as I managed to heal my adrenals just fine

withtou giving it up.

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Oh yes, I comply because I can’t stay awake any later.

I gave up caffeine a month ago because it virtually

stopped working. I drink GanoCafe which has trace

amounts of caffeine...it’s delicious. I also have one

cup of green tea a day.

--- E Silver wrote:

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " j531234 "

>

> < Also diet is big- I do not do Bread, candy,

> soda, sugar >

>

> > One more thing is sleep before 10:00pm everyday.

> It's a must. <

>

>

> I'm personally wondering how many group members

> comply with the above?

>

> Do most get to bed by 10pm, and have most given up

> their morning caffiene???

>

> Answers will be helpful and motivating!

>

> Thanks, Liz

>

>

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[Guest guest]

This is not a choice. Here is a list of all the things that drain

your adrenals

Coffee, Soda, Sugar, bread- not eating right

Not enough sleep

Energy robbers- Like bad relastinship, job stress etc

Dental problems

Leaky Gut

Infection in the body somewhere.

If you feel stressed at all during the day your adrenals are felling

it. How will you get better until that low level stress is gone

Jeff

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " j531234 "

>

> < Also diet is big- I do not do Bread, candy, soda, sugar >

>

> > One more thing is sleep before 10:00pm everyday. It's a must. <

>

>

> I'm personally wondering how many group members comply with the

above?

>

> Do most get to bed by 10pm, and have most given up their morning

caffiene???

>

> Answers will be helpful and motivating!

>

> Thanks, Liz

>

[Guest guest]

If you don't feel stressed at all drink the coffee. If you hae any

stress the coffee should go. Besides doctors cannot make blacnk

statement about caffeine.

Jefff

>

> I try and usually succeed in being in bed by 10PM. But I have not

given

> up my morning coffee. Accordeing to Dr Lowe this is not entirely

> necessary and i tend ot agree as I managed to heal my adrenals

just fine

> withtou giving it up.

>

> --

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WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after

Xmas!!!)

>

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

No I usually go to sleep anywhere from 12 midnight to

2 am.

I wake up around 10:30 a.m. to take my morning HC and

if I need more sleep then I just turn over and sleep

until I wake up.

I never liked the taste of coffee and never drink it.

Used to drink diet coke but the caffeine gives me

little heart palps, and also gives me aspertame

headaches. Stopped drinking diet coke about a year and

a half ago.

I just drink Aquafina bottled water now.

--- E Silver wrote:

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " j531234 "

>

> < Also diet is big- I do not do Bread, candy,

> soda, sugar >

>

> > One more thing is sleep before 10:00pm everyday.

> It's a must. <

>

>

> I'm personally wondering how many group members

> comply with the above?

>

> Do most get to bed by 10pm, and have most given up

> their morning caffiene???

>

> Answers will be helpful and motivating!

>

> Thanks, Liz

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

If you don't give up the caffeine you won't get better. trust me

Jeff

>

>Date: Mon Oct 16 14:07:38 CDT 2006

>To: NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS

>Subject: RE: Hoping group members will " weigh in "

>

>I am always in bed by 10:00 and go to sleep easily. But unless I take

>something to help me sleep I am awake by 1 and toss and turn until morning.

>Even if I take something to sleep I still wake up by 4 or 4:30.

>

>I also have 2 cups of 1/2 caffeine coffee in the mornings. I haven't been

>able to give that up and like I'm not sure if I want to!!!!

>

>beebe

> Re: Hoping group members will " weigh in "

>

>I try and usually succeed in being in bed by 10PM. But I have not given

> up my morning coffee. Accordeing to Dr Lowe this is not entirely

> necessary and i tend ot agree as I managed to heal my adrenals just fine

> withtou giving it up.

>

>--

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!)

> http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

>

[Guest guest]

But says she got better and still drank her morning coffee.

Maybe different people have different sensitivities to caffeine.

Some can handle small amounts, and others can't.

>

> If you don't give up the caffeine you won't get better. trust me

> Jeff

>

> >

> >Date: Mon Oct 16 14:07:38 CDT 2006

> >To: NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS

> >Subject: RE: Hoping group members will " weigh in "

>

> >

> >I am always in bed by 10:00 and go to sleep easily. But unless I

take

> >something to help me sleep I am awake by 1 and toss and turn

until morning.

> >Even if I take something to sleep I still wake up by 4 or 4:30.

> >

> >I also have 2 cups of 1/2 caffeine coffee in the mornings. I

haven't been

> >able to give that up and like I'm not sure if I want

to!!!!

> >

> >beebe

> > Re: Hoping group members will " weigh in "

> >

> >I try and usually succeed in being in bed by 10PM. But I have not

given

> > up my morning coffee. Accordeing to Dr Lowe this is not entirely

> > necessary and i tend ot agree as I managed to heal my adrenals

just fine

> > withtou giving it up.

> >

> >--

> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> > My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!)

> > http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The diet I definitely do well, getting to bed by 10:00 not so well.

I have improved tremendously though in getting to bed earlier since

starting cortisol replacement. It's helped me get my normal sleep

cycle regulated, but it's still usually 11:00 at the earliest before

I get to bed.

Linn

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " j531234 "

>

> < Also diet is big- I do not do Bread, candy, soda, sugar >

>

> > One more thing is sleep before 10:00pm everyday. It's a must. <

>

> I'm personally wondering how many group members comply with the above?

>

> Do most get to bed by 10pm, and have most given up their morning

> caffiene???

>

> Answers will be helpful and motivating!

>

> Thanks, Liz

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

But look at you your up all times in the night

Jeff

>

>Date: Mon Oct 16 14:28:32 CDT 2006

>To: NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS

>Subject: Re: Hoping group members will " weigh in "

>

>

>But says she got better and still drank her morning coffee.

>Maybe different people have different sensitivities to caffeine.

>Some can handle small amounts, and others can't.

>

>

>>

>> If you don't give up the caffeine you won't get better. trust me

>> Jeff

>>

>> >

>> >Date: Mon Oct 16 14:07:38 CDT 2006

>> >To: NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS

>> >Subject: RE: Hoping group members will " weigh in "

>>

>> >

>> >I am always in bed by 10:00 and go to sleep easily. But unless I

>take

>> >something to help me sleep I am awake by 1 and toss and turn

>until morning.

>> >Even if I take something to sleep I still wake up by 4 or 4:30.

>> >

>> >I also have 2 cups of 1/2 caffeine coffee in the mornings. I

>haven't been

>> >able to give that up and like I'm not sure if I want

>to!!!!

>> >

>> >beebe

>> > Re: Hoping group members will " weigh in "

>> >

>> >I try and usually succeed in being in bed by 10PM. But I have not

>given

>> > up my morning coffee. Accordeing to Dr Lowe this is not entirely

>> > necessary and i tend ot agree as I managed to heal my adrenals

>just fine

>> > withtou giving it up.

>> >

>> >--

>> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>> > My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!)

>> > http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

>> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>> >

>http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

>>This is not a choice. Here is a list of all the things that drain

your adrenals<<

this may be a list from SOME doctors but not the ones I listen to. If you are

exhausted from low thyroid and caffeine makes you feel more energy which in turn

costs your adreanls less work to make up for the low metabolism how is that

harmful? I have HEALED my adrenals with out giving up coffee. How fddo you

figure i could have done that if it is so bad for our adrenals? I was hypo to

the point of near death 10 years ago. It took 18 months on HC and now my

adrenals are working wonderfully agian.

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>>If you don't give up the caffeine you won't get better. trust me

Jeff<<

Jeff, please don;t make bland statements like this on this list! This is just

not true. Situations vary for different people. I healed my adrenals and they

are working great now and i did not give up coffee. I did give up my family

though.

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I agree with Val,

most of these lists are written for people who feel a bit run down -

not people with major adrenal dysfunction who need serious support

(i.e. hydrocortisone). If you are getting serious support for a

serious problem, then a bit of caffeine here and there is not going to

harm you. Conversely if all you do is go to bed early and avoid

caffeine, you are not going to solve major adrenal problems.

Just my 2 cents.

.

wrote:

>

> >>This is not a choice. Here is a list of all the things that drain

> your adrenals<<

>

> this may be a list from SOME doctors but not the ones I listen to.

If you are exhausted from low thyroid and caffeine makes you feel more

energy which in turn costs your adreanls less work to make up for the

low metabolism how is that harmful? I have HEALED my adrenals with out

giving up coffee. How fddo you figure i could have done that if it is

so bad for our adrenals? I was hypo to the point of near death 10

years ago. It took 18 months on HC and now my adrenals are working

wonderfully agian.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!)

> http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

, THANK YOU!!!!! I was feeling pretty guilty not giving up my

morning coffee, I needed to hear this

Jackie

> I try and usually succeed in being in bed by 10PM. But I have not

> given

> up my morning coffee. Accordeing to Dr Lowe this is not entirely

> necessary and i tend ot agree as I managed to heal my adrenals just

> fine

> withtou giving it up.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!)

> http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

>

> __

>> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jumping in here, I have not given up caffeine. I love coffee. I did read

that caffeine triggers adrenaline release, cortisol release- which might not

be good for exhausted adrenals, and inhibits some hormone that promotes

sleep.

-- Re: Re: Hoping group members will " weigh in "

>>This is not a choice. Here is a list of all the things that drain

your adrenals<<

this may be a list from SOME doctors but not the ones I listen to. If you

are exhausted from low thyroid and caffeine makes you feel more energy which

in turn costs your adreanls less work to make up for the low metabolism how

is that harmful? I have HEALED my adrenals with out giving up coffee. How

fddo you figure i could have done that if it is so bad for our adrenals? I

was hypo to the point of near death 10 years ago. It took 18 months on HC

and now my adrenals are working wonderfully agian.

--

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My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!)

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Driving is major stress for me, but I have to get to places. The

coffee actually relaxes me. My freind said that was a sign of being

ADD, when caffeine actually calmed you. ???

Jackie

> If you don't feel stressed at all drink the coffee. If you hae any

> stress the coffee should go. Besides doctors cannot make blacnk

> statement about caffeine.

> Jefff

>

> .

>

> __

[Guest guest]

I don't know about caffeine, Jackie, but that IS the case with stimulants.

I'll let you in on a little secret...once when I was in high school,

35 million years ago, I " acquired " a bit of speed, because I had a

project to do & had majorly procrastinated. So I took it, and nothing

happened. I couldn't figure out for the life of me what the big deal

was! Never felt the need to try it again. It wasn't until years

later, when my daughter was diagnosed with ADHD that I began to

understand... : )

As for the coffee, maybe it's the Starbucks Effect...that's when the

coffee gives you that warm relaxing feeling of lounging in a Starbucks

rather than fighting traffic to get to work. Hey, if it works, go for it!

>

> Driving is major stress for me, but I have to get to places. The

> coffee actually relaxes me. My freind said that was a sign of being

> ADD, when caffeine actually calmed you. ???

[Guest guest]

Here's a link to Dr. Lowe on caffeine:

http://www.drlowe.com/QandA/askdrlowe/caffeine.htm

>

Accordeing to Dr Lowe this is not entirely

> > necessary

[Guest guest]

OOOHH, that's good stuff, . Thanks for sharing this. I don't

think I could ever give up my morning coffee, and I've heard that the

chemicals used in the decaffeinating process are toxic. So this gets

rid if any lingering guilt I was feeling for being a coffee lover.

Amy

>

> Here's a link to Dr. Lowe on caffeine:

>

> http://www.drlowe.com/QandA/askdrlowe/caffeine.htm

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sending a very big THANKS out to the group; what a great response to my

request for members to 'weigh' in on their bed times and caffiene use!!!!

This is a great group! I love the diversity, discussion, and learning from

one another. And I don't feel 'bad' for having a long way to go getting my

habits and lifestyle more moderately healthy. )

Personally, I'll aim toward getting to bed by midnight and having a

consistant bedtime. Caffiene-wise, I'll keep my diet cola to a minimum,

knowing that my goal is to find and switch to a healthier caffiene vehicle

which I can also enjoy.

Thanks again, Liz

[Guest guest]

>>I'm personally wondering how many group members comply with the

>>above? Do most get to bed by 10pm, and have most given up their

>>morning caffiene??? Answers will be helpful and motivating! Thanks,

Liz

I used to drink a lot of caffinated soda about 10 years ago. I cut

back on it when I discovered a breast cyst that suddenly went away

after I was off caffeine for two weeks prior to a mammogram of it.

Breast cysts can be caffeine-induced sometimes.

I finally quit soda completely when I started running around 2002 and

finally got good about incorporating more water into my diet. I don't

drink soda at all now & don't miss it. It tastes " chemical " when I do

try it.

Around the same time, I started to cut down on my morning coffee. I

used to have 2-3 cups. I slowly weaned down - weaker coffee, 1/2 cup

less at at time, substituting with black tea then finally green tea.

After about a year, I was on green tea only. Green tea has about 15mg

of caffeine in it vs 85-130mg for coffee. I happen to also like tea,

so I didn't find it a big hardship to substitute.

The last year my hypo started to get worse & I has more stress, so I

found myself creaping back up to 2 cups coffee in the a.m. I had

absolutely no get-up-and-go without it. I'm slowly working my way back

off of that. I'm back down to green tea & just 1 cup of coffee. I

don't have any after 12pm, so that it's less likely to affect my

sleep. Some days I'm able to skip the coffee completely & just have

green tea. I reuse the bags for a second cup - most of the caffeine

brews itself out in the first brew. The second brew is just flavor &

antioxidants.

I also find having a hot beverage is half of the soothing effect of

coffee. Since I tend to be cold from the hypo, I've found just having

a cup of hot water instead can be helpful. Not only does it warm you

up inside, it's nice to wrap your cold hands around the mup to heat

them up. I have a friend that used to live in Japan & she said it's

not uncommon for them to do that there to " self-regulate " temperature.

[Guest guest]

Hey Liz - Diet Coke is probably one the the least-preferable ways to

include caffeine in your diet. Among other things, it contains the

chemical aspertame (Nutra-sweet) which has several neurological

contraindications.

The artificial sweetener also triggers your brain to expects

sweet/carbohydrates. But when none are forthcoming, you end up

craving carbohydrates, negating the whole point of drinking a zero-

calorie beverage.

I would suggest incorporating sparkling water with a squeeze of

lemon juice or added fruit juice as one way to keep a healthier

carbonated beverage in your diet. Consider getting caffeine from

green tea or black tea. You'll be drinking a lot less chemicals and

getting valuable anti-oxidants at the same time. Green tea tastes

good cold too. If you want something sweet, add some organic honey.

At least that isn't processed and has some beneficial enzymes in it.

Or substitute 1 cup/day of brewed organic coffee, if you're into

drinking coffee. It's still healthier than Diet Coke.

Sugar has only 16 calories/tsp. Even if you add organic sweeteners

like honey, I bet you can find a way to cut back calories elsewhere

and get rid of the diet soda in your diet. You don't have to cut it

out all at once. Start replacing just a few and gradually work your

way up. Or drink only 1/2 a can instead of your usual full can.

Throw the rest out. Your body will thank you. Really .

Once you get used to not drinking it, you won't miss it. I can't

drink the stuff now. Tastes like a bunch of yucky artifical chemical

flavors to me. Which it is. Just a few ideas from a recovered Diet

Coke addict

>>Caffiene-wise, I'll keep my diet cola to a minimum, knowing that

my >>goal is to find and switch to a healthier caffiene vehicle

which I >>can also enjoy. Thanks again, Liz

[Guest guest]

One of the ways we got my youngest to drink water was to put fruit in

it. She loves slices of lemon or lime, whole strawberries flavor the

water nicely. Try any of your favorite fruits, much better than

putting in sweeteners!! Nutrition should be fun and pleasing to all

your senses.

Linn

> Hey Liz - Diet Coke is probably one the the least-preferable ways to

> include caffeine in your diet. Among other things, it contains the

> chemical aspertame (Nutra-sweet) which has several neurological

> contraindications.

>

>> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From:

> Hey Liz - Diet Coke is probably one the the least-preferable ways to

> include caffeine in your diet.

> I would suggest incorporating sparkling water with a squeeze of

> lemon juice or added fruit juice as one way to keep a healthier

> carbonated beverage in your diet. Consider getting caffeine from

> green tea or black tea.

Thanks !

All the suggestions are highly appreciated ... I need all the gentle kicks

in the right direction that I can get!

I consider myself to be a recovering diet cola addict, as I usually only

have one can a day, and used to drink around 2 gallons of the stuff! I love

the ice cold zing of carbonation, but I know that it is evil stuff ... even

if they are now using Splenda - I believe it will prove to be as bad as

aspartame.

When conquering the 2 gallon addiction, I switched over to iced coffee in

the am, then to Mate tea in the pm, and Red tea in the evening. It worked

well, though now I basically just drink water since I had the Aquasana

Filter installed under my sink. I haven't yet been able to give up that

last can of diet cola ... but your suggestions are motivating me to try that

hurdle in the very near future (after my diet is rearranged).

I think I will enjoy the luxury of adding a slice of lemon to my water

today!

Thanks again, Liz