Re: What stage of adrenal fatigue is this?

[Guest guest]

>>What stage of adrenal fatigue is this? I dont' know how many stages there are

either.

Here are my results from a SALIVA TEST:

7-8am = 12 (13-24)

11-12 = 7 (5-10)

4-5pm = 8 (3-8)

11-midnight = 4 (1-4)

Cortisol burden: 31 (23-42)

DHEA = 4 (3-10)<<

I would say this is either just beginning or most likely between stage 3 and 4.

You could tell better by adding your symptoms to this result. Here is where you

can read about the stages of adrenal fatigue:

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html

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[Guest guest]

,

If this is an ASI panel from Diagnos-Techs (which is also the test

you get from Canary Club), there will be a graph called " Cortisol-

DHEA Correlation " that shows what stage you are in. Take a look at

your report again and see if that graph is included in your report

results. In your case, I'm guessing it will show you as in

the " reference " zone. In other words, no adrenal fatigue.

The way this number is computed is you take your noon and 4PM

readings...add them together, and divide by 2. In other words,

compute the average of your two afternoon readings. In your case,

it is (7+8)/2 = 7.5 This corresponds to a pretty normal cortisol

level for those times of day. Then look at your DHEA. It is 4 and

also corresponds to a level within normal ranges. These 2 numbers

(7.5 for cortisol, and 4 for DHEA) are then plotted on

the " Cortisol - DHEA Correlation Chart " to show what stage of

fatigue you are in. I am still trying to find out WHY the

afternoon " averages " are used for this computation...I don't know

why...I just know that it is the way Diagnos-Techs figures out what

stage you are in. When I find out why they use those 2 readings,

I'll post an answer on this board.

There should also be some other numbers on your test as well...such

as insulin, SIga, etc.

What are they? Those will help tell the story as well. In people

with adrenal fatigue...particularly an advanced stage...those

numbers will almost always be depressed...i.e., below " normal "

ranges.

Look also at your test result that talks about Gliadin. This is a

test to see if you are gluten intolerant. It seems that a higher

percentage of those with adrenal fatigue will exhibit gluten

intolerance.

--Steve

>

> What stage of adrenal fatigue is this? I dont' know how many

stages there are either.

>

> Here are my results from a SALIVA TEST:

> 7-8am = 12 (13-24)

> 11-12 = 7 (5-10)

> 4-5pm = 8 (3-8)

> 11-midnight = 4 (1-4)

> Cortisol burden: 31 (23-42)

> DHEA = 4 (3-10)

>

> Thank you,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

Yes, this was done by Diagnos-Techs and there is a

shaded area to the right of number four which I think

is five on the Cortisol-DHEA Correlation chart. There

is a key for that chart and if I’m 5 then I have

Non-adapted, Low Reserves. There is another test

called MB2S (Total Salivary SIgA = 9/depressed) and

FI4 (Gliadin Ab, SIgA = 1/negative). I don’t see

anything for insulin. You seem to know what your

talking about.. What can you tell me about my results?

--- Steve wrote:

> ,

>

> If this is an ASI panel from Diagnos-Techs (which is

> also the test

> you get from Canary Club), there will be a graph

> called " Cortisol-

> DHEA Correlation " that shows what stage you are in.

> Take a look at

> your report again and see if that graph is included

> in your report

> results. In your case, I'm guessing it will show

> you as in

> the " reference " zone. In other words, no adrenal

> fatigue.

>

> The way this number is computed is you take your

> noon and 4PM

> readings...add them together, and divide by 2. In

> other words,

> compute the average of your two afternoon readings.

> In your case,

> it is (7+8)/2 = 7.5 This corresponds to a pretty

> normal cortisol

> level for those times of day. Then look at your

> DHEA. It is 4 and

> also corresponds to a level within normal ranges.

> These 2 numbers

> (7.5 for cortisol, and 4 for DHEA) are then plotted

> on

> the " Cortisol - DHEA Correlation Chart " to show what

> stage of

> fatigue you are in. I am still trying to find out

> WHY the

> afternoon " averages " are used for this

> computation...I don't know

> why...I just know that it is the way Diagnos-Techs

> figures out what

> stage you are in. When I find out why they use

> those 2 readings,

> I'll post an answer on this board.

>

> There should also be some other numbers on your test

> as well...such

> as insulin, SIga, etc.

>

> What are they? Those will help tell the story as

> well. In people

> with adrenal fatigue...particularly an advanced

> stage...those

> numbers will almost always be depressed...i.e.,

> below " normal "

> ranges.

>

> Look also at your test result that talks about

> Gliadin. This is a

> test to see if you are gluten intolerant. It seems

> that a higher

> percentage of those with adrenal fatigue will

> exhibit gluten

> intolerance.

>

> --Steve

>

>

> >

> > What stage of adrenal fatigue is this? I dont'

> know how many

> stages there are either.

> >

> > Here are my results from a SALIVA TEST:

> > 7-8am = 12 (13-24)

> > 11-12 = 7 (5-10)

> > 4-5pm = 8 (3-8)

> > 11-midnight = 4 (1-4)

> > Cortisol burden: 31 (23-42)

> > DHEA = 4 (3-10)

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

,

Actually, the shaded area is actually the " normal " (or reference)

area. So if your DHEA/Cortisol " dot " is in that region, it

indicates no adrenal fatigue. Stage 5 is below that reference area,

and to the right of stage 7.

You can read more about it here:

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html

I am not an expert, and just about everything I have learned about

this comes from the website above, and the two books " Chronic

Fatigue Unmasked " and " Mastering Your Life " by Dr. G.E. Poesnecker

of the Clymer Clinic in Pennsylvania.

So, please take my " advice " as little more than a neophyte who is

trying to learn how to interpret his own test results as well...let

along anybody else's!

But, your test results don't appear to be indicative of adrenal

fatigue. In my case, my results were so outrageously obvious (stage

5, depressed insulin, depressed SIgA) that interpretation was a no-

brainer. Your results seem to be a little more borderline, and you

might want to seek some professional advice from the Clymer Clinic.

They are very proficient in interpreting these ASI panels. My guess

is that with low AM cortisol you probably feel real sluggish in the

morning, and with borderline high cortisol at midnight, you probably

have trouble sleeping and feel a bit " wired " at night.

--Steve

> > >

> > > What stage of adrenal fatigue is this? I dont'

> > know how many

> > stages there are either.

> > >

> > > Here are my results from a SALIVA TEST:

> > > 7-8am = 12 (13-24)

> > > 11-12 = 7 (5-10)

> > > 4-5pm = 8 (3-8)

> > > 11-midnight = 4 (1-4)

> > > Cortisol burden: 31 (23-42)

> > > DHEA = 4 (3-10)

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Sammie,

I had blood tests at the same time that confirmed

> hypothyroidism with a TSH level of 5.25. I'm 38 and

> have all of the classic symptoms except for isomnia -

> I have no trouble sleeping or falling asleep even on

> the armour or prior to it. In fact, I don't even wake up refreshed

> after 9-10 hours of sleep. Three months ago, I was

> prescribed Armour at an initial dose of 30mg/day. From

> day one, it has made me feel more fatigued and weaker;

> I've also developed headache-like pressure in the head

> and back of neck. Within those three months, I have

> gained six pounds without changing my

> eating/exercising patterns. Today, I still feel worse

> with an increased dosage of 30 mg upon awakening at

> 7am and 30mg at 12noon, which isn't that much. I have

> a normal basal temperature and my daily average

> temperatures are up and down and I have had no

> hyper-like symptoms. I thought maybe my adrenals are

> weak so three weeks ago I began to suppliment with

> licorice and adrenal grandulars, but still haven't

> noticed a change in the way I feel.

Sammie Baker wrote:

,

Do you have thyroid labs? In my opinion the fatigue I have is anyone's guess -

thyroid or adrenal, of which I suffer from both. Symptoms can be similar, so in

some cases having those labs, along with tracking your temp may be a key to the

mystery.

SAMMIE

wrote:

I never touched anything prior to taking the saliva test...only licorice and

that was at least a month before it. Thanks for trying to help. I hope somebody

else has some useful advice for me.

Steve wrote: Are you on anything besides Armour? I just wanted

to check because

I'm assuming your saliva tests for adrenal functioning were " clean "

i.e., you had not been on hydrocortisone or IsoCort for at least a

month prior to the test. If not, then your results are probably

skewed, which is one of the bummers about being on HC...you have to

go off of it to get meaningful adrenal test results...and that

(going off) can take at least 2 months...one month to get off, and

one month " clean " .

Many of the other gals in the forum can advise on thyroid symptoms,

etc. It is possible that your issues are not hypo-adrenia at

all...and are instead hypo-thyroid.

So, I'm going to back away from this thread, because we are now

officially outside my limited realm of experience.

--Steve

> > > > >

> > > > > What stage of adrenal fatigue is this? I dont'

> > > > know how many

> > > > stages there are either.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here are my results from a SALIVA TEST:

> > > > > 7-8am = 12 (13-24)

> > > > > 11-12 = 7 (5-10)

> > > > > 4-5pm = 8 (3-8)

> > > > > 11-midnight = 4 (1-4)

> > > > > Cortisol burden: 31 (23-42)

> > > > > DHEA = 4 (3-10)

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

,

TSH isn't really adequate for confirming HypoT, but

you probably are HypoT. This is a pitutary hormone,

not thyroid but for whatever reason, this is what most

Endo's test and it's useless most of the time. Make

sure to get Free T3 and Free T4, which are the active

thyroid hormones. In fact, being sleepy is a sign of

HypoT. Insomnia might also be a symptom, but most

people I know who are HypoT sleeping 9 + hours, or

feel like they need to, whether or not they get that

many hours of sleep.

I can't believe you were decribed that dose of Armour

without having your Free T4 and/or Free T3 tested.

You probably need a higher dose, but increasing

slooooowly is key.

I think you are gaining weight from the licorice root,

which causes fluid retention. Maybe the combo with

glandulars is too much.

You should also be getting tested for thyroid

antibodies - TPO for Hashi's and TSI for Grave's to

rule out the cause of your TSH levels.

Maybe trying Isocort for your adrenals along with

tweaking your Armour might be the answer. But in the

meantime, I'd call your Endo and demand the tests I

mentioned - Free T4, Free T3, TPO and TSI. Forgive us

if we ask you to repeat info, it's hard to remember

everyone's specific background.

Feel better,

SAMMIE

---

wrote:

> Sammie,

>

> I had blood tests at the same time that confirmed

> > hypothyroidism with a TSH level of 5.25. I'm 38

> and

> > have all of the classic symptoms except for

> isomnia -

> > I have no trouble sleeping or falling asleep even

> on

> > the armour or prior to it. In fact, I don't even

> wake up refreshed

> > after 9-10 hours of sleep. Three months ago, I was

> > prescribed Armour at an initial dose of 30mg/day.

> From

> > day one, it has made me feel more fatigued and

> weaker;

> > I've also developed headache-like pressure in the

> head

> > and back of neck. Within those three months, I

> have

> > gained six pounds without changing my

> > eating/exercising patterns. Today, I still feel

> worse

> > with an increased dosage of 30 mg upon awakening

> at

> > 7am and 30mg at 12noon, which isn't that much. I

> have

> > a normal basal temperature and my daily average

> > temperatures are up and down and I have had no

> > hyper-like symptoms. I thought maybe my adrenals

> are

> > weak so three weeks ago I began to suppliment with

> > licorice and adrenal grandulars, but still haven't

> > noticed a change in the way I feel.

>

>

>

> Sammie Baker wrote:

> ,

>

> Do you have thyroid labs? In my opinion the fatigue

> I have is anyone's guess - thyroid or adrenal, of

> which I suffer from both. Symptoms can be similar,

> so in some cases having those labs, along with

> tracking your temp may be a key to the mystery.

>

>

> SAMMIE

>

> wrote:

> I never touched anything prior to taking the saliva

> test...only licorice and that was at least a month

> before it. Thanks for trying to help. I hope

> somebody else has some useful advice for me.

>

> Steve wrote: Are you on anything

> besides Armour? I just wanted to check because

> I'm assuming your saliva tests for adrenal

> functioning were " clean "

> i.e., you had not been on hydrocortisone or IsoCort

> for at least a

> month prior to the test. If not, then your results

> are probably

> skewed, which is one of the bummers about being on

> HC...you have to

> go off of it to get meaningful adrenal test

> results...and that

> (going off) can take at least 2 months...one month

> to get off, and

> one month " clean " .

>

> Many of the other gals in the forum can advise on

> thyroid symptoms,

> etc. It is possible that your issues are not

> hypo-adrenia at

> all...and are instead hypo-thyroid.

>

> So, I'm going to back away from this thread, because

> we are now

> officially outside my limited realm of experience.

>

> --Steve

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What stage of adrenal fatigue is this? I

> dont'

> > > > > know how many

> > > > > stages there are either.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here are my results from a SALIVA TEST:

> > > > > > 7-8am = 12 (13-24)

> > > > > > 11-12 = 7 (5-10)

> > > > > > 4-5pm = 8 (3-8)

> > > > > > 11-midnight = 4 (1-4)

> > > > > > Cortisol burden: 31 (23-42)

> > > > > > DHEA = 4 (3-10)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> __________________________________________________

> > > >

[Guest guest]

You are also describing growth hormone deficiency symptoms. Particularly

the inability feel refreshed even after 10 hours sleep.

-- Re: Re: What stage of adrenal fatigue is this?

I had blood tests at the same time that confirmed

hypothyroidism with a TSH level of 5.25. I'm 38 and

have all of the classic symptoms except for isomnia -

I have no trouble sleeping or falling asleep even on

the armour. In fact, I don't even wake up refreshed

after 9-10 hours of sleep. Three months ago, I was

prescribed Armour at an initial dose of 30mg/day. From

day one, it has made me feel more fatigued and weaker;

I've also developed headache-like pressure in the head

and back of neck. Within those three months, I have

gained six pounds without changing my

eating/exercising patterns. Today, I still feel worse

with an increased dosage of 30 mg upon awakening at

7am and 30mg at 12noon, which isn't that much. I have

a normal basal temperature and my daily average

temperatures are up and down and I have had no

hyper-like symptoms. I thought maybe my adrenals are

weak so three weeks ago I began to suppliment with

licorice and adrenal grandulars, but still haven't

noticed a change in the way I feel.

Perhaps, I need to try something stronger? Last week I

had blood levels checked and now my TSH levels are

2.1, but why do I feel worse on this medication? It

doesn't make any sense and I don't know what to do it

this point. Do you have any suggestions, because I

just ordered Isocort which should be arriving in a

couple of days and I hope it doesn’t make me feel

worse. Considering this additional info., what do you

think?

--- Steve wrote:

> ,

>

> Actually, the shaded area is actually the " normal "

> (or reference)

> area. So if your DHEA/Cortisol " dot " is in that

> region, it

> indicates no adrenal fatigue. Stage 5 is below that

> reference area,

> and to the right of stage 7.

>

> You can read more about it here:

>

> http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html

>

> I am not an expert, and just about everything I have

> learned about

> this comes from the website above, and the two books

> " Chronic

> Fatigue Unmasked " and " Mastering Your Life " by Dr.

> G.E. Poesnecker

> of the Clymer Clinic in Pennsylvania.

>

> So, please take my " advice " as little more than a

> neophyte who is

> trying to learn how to interpret his own test

> results as well...let

> along anybody else's!

>

> But, your test results don't appear to be indicative

> of adrenal

> fatigue. In my case, my results were so

> outrageously obvious (stage

> 5, depressed insulin, depressed SIgA) that

> interpretation was a no-

> brainer. Your results seem to be a little more

> borderline, and you

> might want to seek some professional advice from the

> Clymer Clinic.

> They are very proficient in interpreting these ASI

> panels. My guess

> is that with low AM cortisol you probably feel real

> sluggish in the

> morning, and with borderline high cortisol at

> midnight, you probably

> have trouble sleeping and feel a bit " wired " at

> night.

>

> --Steve

>

>

> > > >

> > > > What stage of adrenal fatigue is this? I dont'

> > > know how many

> > > stages there are either.

> > > >

> > > > Here are my results from a SALIVA TEST:

> > > > 7-8am = 12 (13-24)

> > > > 11-12 = 7 (5-10)

> > > > 4-5pm = 8 (3-8)

> > > > 11-midnight = 4 (1-4)

> > > > Cortisol burden: 31 (23-42)

> > > > DHEA = 4 (3-10)

> > > >

> > > > Thank you,

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

>>How do you know they are too broad?<<

]

By seeing where people FEEL good and seeing way too many " in the ranges " that

are still sick.

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[Guest guest]

I did and I even deleted the extra spaces.

--- Steve wrote:

> Yes...I noticed that too. You will have to copy the

> whole thing

> into your browser...all the say through the .htm

> part. The line

> wrap cut part of it off.

>

>

http://www.diagnostechs.com/body_text/tests/asi/asimonograph_new/asi_

> cortisolrythm.htm

>

> --Steve

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > > >

> > > > > Actually, the shaded area is actually the

> > > " normal "

> > > > > (or reference)

> > > > > area. So if your DHEA/Cortisol " dot " is in

> that

> > > > > region, it

> > > > > indicates no adrenal fatigue. Stage 5 is

> below

> > > that

> > > > > reference area,

> > > > > and to the right of stage 7.

> > > > >

> > > > > You can read more about it here:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html

> > > > >

> > > > > I am not an expert, and just about

> everything I

> > > have

> > > > > learned about

> > > > > this comes from the website above, and the

> two

> > > books

> > > > > " Chronic

> > > > > Fatigue Unmasked " and " Mastering Your Life "

> by

> > > Dr.

> > > > > G.E. Poesnecker

> > > > > of the Clymer Clinic in Pennsylvania.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, please take my " advice " as little more

> than

> > > a

> > > > > neophyte who is

> > > > > trying to learn how to interpret his own

> test

> > > > > results as well...let

> > > > > along anybody else's!

> > > > >

> > > > > But, your test results don't appear to be

> > > indicative

> > > > > of adrenal

> > > > > fatigue. In my case, my results were so

> > > > > outrageously obvious (stage

> > > > > 5, depressed insulin, depressed SIgA) that

> > > > > interpretation was a no-

> > > > > brainer. Your results seem to be a little

> more

> > > > > borderline, and you

> > > > > might want to seek some professional advice

> from

> > > the

> > > > > Clymer Clinic.

> > > > > They are very proficient in interpreting

> these

> > > ASI

>

=== message truncated ===

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[Guest guest]

Did you take the iodine loading test? Who said you have to stop Armour for a

month?

SAMMIE

wrote:

Yes, test was for Hashi's. I stopped licorice all

together, a month before the test. Ioderal just

arrived, so I will start that but I'm not sure if it

will help but I hope since I have to stop Armour for a

month to get on Ioderal.

--- Sammie Baker wrote:

> Yeah - sorry, I can't remember everyone's posts.

> It's helpful to include all labs in a post so we can

> get the full picture and your symptoms dont seem to

> match your labs. Which antibody test is that - for

> Hashi's?

>

> Maybe you need to try the HC to feel better. You

> said you took the licorice before the saliva test

> about a month before. Does that mean you stopped

> taking licorice a month before the test?

>

>

>

> SAMMIE

>

> wrote:

> Hi again. I guess you didn't see my

> previous postings

> of my labs, which I typed below. Thyroid antibodies

> didn't show up in the blood test but did in the

> saliva

> test. I stopped taking licorice and began taking

> adrenal cortex as soon as I began armour. Both the

> saliva and blood test were done at the same time but

> I

> don’t have the test results for the t3 and t4 of the

> blood test with me but the doctor said they weren’t

> at

> their optimal levels.

>

> SALIVA TEST:

> TSH = >600 (Borderline high: 86-120)

> L-Thyroxine = .25 (normal .17-.42)

> Triiodo-thyronine = .22 (borderline low .21-.27)

> (normal .28-1.10)

> Thyroid Microsomal Ab, SigA = Positive

>

> Regards,

>

>

> --- Sammie Baker wrote:

>

> > ,

> >

> > TSH isn't really adequate for confirming HypoT,

> but

> > you probably are HypoT. This is a pitutary

> hormone,

> > not thyroid but for whatever reason, this is what

> > most

> > Endo's test and it's useless most of the time.

> Make

> > sure to get Free T3 and Free T4, which are the

> > active

> > thyroid hormones. In fact, being sleepy is a sign

> > of

> > HypoT. Insomnia might also be a symptom, but most

> > people I know who are HypoT sleeping 9 + hours, or

> > feel like they need to, whether or not they get

> that

> > many hours of sleep.

> >

> > I can't believe you were decribed that dose of

> > Armour

> > without having your Free T4 and/or Free T3 tested.

>

> > You probably need a higher dose, but increasing

> > slooooowly is key.

> >

> > I think you are gaining weight from the licorice

> > root,

> > which causes fluid retention. Maybe the combo with

> > glandulars is too much.

> >

> > You should also be getting tested for thyroid

> > antibodies - TPO for Hashi's and TSI for Grave's

> to

> > rule out the cause of your TSH levels.

> >

> > Maybe trying Isocort for your adrenals along with

> > tweaking your Armour might be the answer. But in

> > the

> > meantime, I'd call your Endo and demand the tests

> I

> > mentioned - Free T4, Free T3, TPO and TSI. Forgive

> > us

> > if we ask you to repeat info, it's hard to

> remember

> > everyone's specific background.

> >

> > Feel better,

> >

> >

> >

> > SAMMIE

> >

> > ---

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Sammie,

> > >

> > > I had blood tests at the same time that

> > confirmed

> > > > hypothyroidism with a TSH level of 5.25. I'm

> 38

> > > and

> > > > have all of the classic symptoms except for

> > > isomnia -

> > > > I have no trouble sleeping or falling asleep

> > even

> > > on

> > > > the armour or prior to it. In fact, I don't

> even

> > > wake up refreshed

> > > > after 9-10 hours of sleep. Three months ago, I

> > was

> > > > prescribed Armour at an initial dose of

> > 30mg/day.

> > > From

> > > > day one, it has made me feel more fatigued and

> > > weaker;

> > > > I've also developed headache-like pressure in

> > the

> > > head

> > > > and back of neck. Within those three months, I

> > > have

> > > > gained six pounds without changing my

> > > > eating/exercising patterns. Today, I still

> feel

> > > worse

> > > > with an increased dosage of 30 mg upon

> awakening

> > > at

> > > > 7am and 30mg at 12noon, which isn't that much.

> I

> > > have

> > > > a normal basal temperature and my daily

> average

> > > > temperatures are up and down and I have had no

> > > > hyper-like symptoms. I thought maybe my

> adrenals

> > > are

> > > > weak so three weeks ago I began to suppliment

> > with

> > > > licorice and adrenal grandulars, but still

> > haven't

> > > > noticed a change in the way I feel.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sammie Baker wrote:

> > > ,

> > >

> > > Do you have thyroid labs? In my opinion the

> > fatigue

> > > I have is anyone's guess - thyroid or adrenal,

> of

> > > which I suffer from both. Symptoms can be

> similar,

> > > so in some cases having those labs, along with

> > > tracking your temp may be a key to the mystery.

> > >

> > >

> > > SAMMIE

> > >

> > >

> > wrote:

> > > I never touched anything prior to taking the

> > saliva

> > > test...only licorice and that was at least a

> month

> > > before it. Thanks for trying to help. I hope

> > > somebody else has some useful advice for me.

> > >

> > > Steve wrote: Are you on

> anything

> > > besides Armour? I just wanted to check because

> > > I'm assuming your saliva tests for adrenal

> > > functioning were " clean "

> > > i.e., you had not been on hydrocortisone or

> > IsoCort

> > > for at least a

> > > month prior to the test. If not, then your

> results

> > > are probably

> > > skewed, which is one of the bummers about being

> on

> > > HC...you have to

> > > go off of it to get meaningful adrenal test

> > > results...and that

> > > (going off) can take at least 2 months...one

> month

> > > to get off, and

> > > one month " clean " .

> > >

> > > Many of the other gals in the forum can advise

> on

> > > thyroid symptoms,

> > > etc. It is possible that your issues are not

> > > hypo-adrenia at

> > > all...and are instead hypo-thyroid.

>

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