Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 The chemical make-up of Prometrium doesn't match exactly the chemical make-up of progesterone though. It was my understanding that a patent cannot be given unless the product is slightly altered. Prometrium also lists some side effects similar to synthetic progesterone. Linn > In a message dated 9/22/2006 8:25:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > linnmiller@... writes: > > > > > Prometrium is a synthetic progesterone. > > > , > > Technically, Linn is right: Bio-identical does not always equal > " natural " -- as in naturally occuring in nature. Prometrium > IS synthetic, made in a lab. But, while it's not " natural, " the > end result IS bio-identical to the hormone that the body > naturally produces. The semantics of differentiating between > the terms " synthetic, " " natural, " and " bio-identical " can get > very confusing! For example, Premarin, derived from mare's > urine is completely " natural, " but certainly NOT bio-identical > to any hormone a female human produces. > >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 I know!! I have said that all along!!!! I agree it is bioidentical. I never thought it was not. ; ) -- Re: Prometrium > > You'd have to ask for the manufacturer's fine print > when you get your > prescription filled. They don't automatically give > it out anymore. > I have to run out right now, but I'll look for the > info I found when > I get back. There's always a chemical make-up > included in the fine > print. If you compare that to the chemical make-up > of progesterone, > it is not identical. > > Linn > > On Sep 22, 2006, at 12:13 PM, C. Mannelli, > Ed.D. wrote: > > > I would be interested in seeing where you looked > this up. I would > > like to > > see the chemical make up you are referring to. > > > > > > Here is the following source: > http://www.obgyn.net/women/women > > asp?page=/industry/articles/980107_solvay > > > > PROMETRIUM Capsules is a natural micronized > progesterone that is > > identical > > in chemical structure to endogenous (naturally > occurring) > > progesterone, and > > thus should mimic the hormone that women produce > naturally. It is > > currently > > under review by the Food and Drug Administration > (FDA), and has > > received an > > approvable letter from the agency for the > treatment of secondary > > amenorrhea. > > Unlike progestins (synthetic forms of > progesterone), PROMETRIUM > > Capsules, > > when approved, will be the only oral progesterone > available in the > > U.S. > > PROMETRIUM Capsules are intended to be taken > orally, once-a-day > > with the > > evening meal. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 I believe there was a patent on Armour that has expired.................due to time elapsed. -- Re: Prometrium In a message dated 9/22/2006 1:15:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, linnmiller@... writes: > The chemical make-up of Prometrium doesn't match exactly the chemical > make-up of progesterone though. It was my understanding that a > patent cannot be given unless the product is slightly altered. > Prometrium also lists some side effects similar to synthetic > progesterone. > > Linn > > You know, Linn, this is something that i've always had questions about, despite all the times that i've read that it's completely bio- identical. What you say does make sense to me, unfortunately. I'm going to look into this further. . . . When i first joined the NTH group last December, i remember reading a thread concerning T3 and the alterations invovled in patenting Cytomel. Was that you who was providing some of those posts about the chemical drug structure? In the case of Armour, there is no patent, correct? What does this mean as far as marketing goes? Profits? And what about adrenal support? If what you're saying is true, then is something like Cortef really not bio-identical? That's a little scary to me. Hollis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 , I can't post pictures to the yahoo group. I am not a chemist. The chemical composition was off the Prometrium manufacturer's website. My stepfather was a pharmacist, been reading drug info since I was a kid. I've looked up human progesterone chemical composition in books and also on the internet. The info on Prometrium is from www.rxlist.com, www.drugs.com, www.solvaypharmaceuticals-us.com, etc. Google Prometrium and it all comes up. This side effects are listed from the manufacturer of Prometrium itself. Progesterone that is exactly like human progesterone would not have these side effects. It states that these risks were from people using Prometrium. Everything I have read regarding patents states that an item like progesterone would have to be modified or purified in some way in order to grant a patent. Linn On Sep 22, 2006, at 4:32 PM, C. Mannelli, Ed.D. wrote: > > > Perhaps the picture of the chemical structure of what you viewed, > was of > another of the progestogens? > > If you cannot post both pics for us to see, all I can go by is what > I see > on-line or in my biochem book. What I compared on-line has the same > number > of carbons, hydrogens, same double-bonded oxygens, but some of the > bonds > were not drawn in on one picture, but were drawn on another. > > I >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 It is altered and synthesized - from plants. That is why it is patentable. It is not " naturally occuring Progesterone " that we make in our bodies. However, the end result is exactly the same, chemically and structurally bioidentical to human Progesterone. Because they synthesize it from plants and move the molecules around to make it match human Progesterone, it is patentable. I think that they were required by the FDA to put those warnings on their product or they wouldn't have been able to market it. The warnings are applicable to synthetic Progesterone, not bioidentical Progesterone, but that wouldn't stop the FDA from requiring them from putting the same warnings on the Bio-Id stuff. The FDA and big pharmaceutical companies are VERY hostile to bioidentical hormonal products and it is not unusual at all for them to refer to bioidentical Progesterone as having the same risks that synthetic Progesterone has - when it doesn't. --- Linn wrote: > , > > I can't post pictures to the yahoo group. I am not a > chemist. The > chemical composition was off the Prometrium > manufacturer's website. > My stepfather was a pharmacist, been reading drug > info since I was a > kid. I've looked up human progesterone chemical > composition in books > and also on the internet. The info on Prometrium is > from > www.rxlist.com, www.drugs.com, > www.solvaypharmaceuticals-us.com, > etc. Google Prometrium and it all comes up. This > side effects are > listed from the manufacturer of Prometrium itself. > Progesterone that > is exactly like human progesterone would not have > these side > effects. It states that these risks were from > people using > Prometrium. Everything I have read regarding > patents states that an > item like progesterone would have to be modified or > purified in some > way in order to grant a patent. > > Linn __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 That's OK!! My brain is the same way! -- Re: Prometrium > > > > You'd have to ask for the manufacturer's fine > print > > when you get your > > prescription filled. They don't automatically give > > it out anymore. > > I have to run out right now, but I'll look for the > > info I found when > > I get back. There's always a chemical make-up > > included in the fine > > print. If you compare that to the chemical make-up > > of progesterone, > > it is not identical. > > > > Linn __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 I don't know what else to say. All of this is incorrect. I used to do drug studies as well. It has stated here many times, that the warnings for HC are for huge doses and for steroids in general and that HC in physiological doses does not have these side effects. Same with Prometrium. Like I said, they are listing these things to cover themselves. Again, I looked at Solvay and several other sites as well as my books. The chemical structures shown, are identical. Prometrium is identical to progesterone produced by the human ovaries. It is incorrect that a natural item has to have its very chemical structure altered to get a patent. Something can be added, like the multiple patents on the various bioidentical growth hormones, which are all the same exact chemical structure with inactive additions. -- Re: Prometrium , I can't post pictures to the yahoo group. I am not a chemist. The chemical composition was off the Prometrium manufacturer's website. My stepfather was a pharmacist, been reading drug info since I was a kid. I've looked up human progesterone chemical composition in books and also on the internet. The info on Prometrium is from www.rxlist.com, www.drugs.com, www.solvaypharmaceuticals-us.com, etc. Google Prometrium and it all comes up. This side effects are listed from the manufacturer of Prometrium itself. Progesterone that is exactly like human progesterone would not have these side effects. It states that these risks were from people using Prometrium. Everything I have read regarding patents states that an item like progesterone would have to be modified or purified in some way in order to grant a patent. Linn On Sep 22, 2006, at 4:32 PM, C. Mannelli, Ed.D. wrote: > > > Perhaps the picture of the chemical structure of what you viewed, > was of > another of the progestogens? > > If you cannot post both pics for us to see, all I can go by is what > I see > on-line or in my biochem book. What I compared on-line has the same > number > of carbons, hydrogens, same double-bonded oxygens, but some of the > bonds > were not drawn in on one picture, but were drawn on another. > > I >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 : Also there was a big stink regarding even making generic estrogen or provera The big drug companies yelled that the generic had the very same contaminant (delta estrogen or some such) that they had but pretended they did not have. So basically big pharma kept the generics off the market. I am actually very surprised that Prometrium made it. There has been a generic growth hormone made by Teva in Israel. It is not allowed to be used here because it is so much cheaper. China has an extremely cheap generic growth hormone. Not allowed here. There was a generic growth hormone slated to be accepted here. If it has I have not heard and have not kept up with it. One doc in a state advertised he was selling it but I think he lost his license. The body builders use generic GH from China. Most times they get it and it does not get seized. Sometimes it is seized. Lots of games as you know. -- Re: Prometrium It is altered and synthesized - from plants. That is why it is patentable. It is not " naturally occuring Progesterone " that we make in our bodies. However, the end result is exactly the same, chemically and structurally bioidentical to human Progesterone. Because they synthesize it from plants and move the molecules around to make it match human Progesterone, it is patentable. I think that they were required by the FDA to put those warnings on their product or they wouldn't have been able to market it. The warnings are applicable to synthetic Progesterone, not bioidentical Progesterone, but that wouldn't stop the FDA from requiring them from putting the same warnings on the Bio-Id stuff. The FDA and big pharmaceutical companies are VERY hostile to bioidentical hormonal products and it is not unusual at all for them to refer to bioidentical Progesterone as having the same risks that synthetic Progesterone has - when it doesn't. --- Linn wrote: > , > > I can't post pictures to the yahoo group. I am not a > chemist. The > chemical composition was off the Prometrium > manufacturer's website. > My stepfather was a pharmacist, been reading drug > info since I was a > kid. I've looked up human progesterone chemical > composition in books > and also on the internet. The info on Prometrium is > from > www.rxlist.com, www.drugs.com, > www.solvaypharmaceuticals-us.com, > etc. Google Prometrium and it all comes up. This > side effects are > listed from the manufacturer of Prometrium itself. > Progesterone that > is exactly like human progesterone would not have > these side > effects. It states that these risks were from > people using > Prometrium. Everything I have read regarding > patents states that an > item like progesterone would have to be modified or > purified in some > way in order to grant a patent. > > Linn __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 : The original growth hormone was not synthesized from plants or anything. It was spun off human cadaver blood. It was patented. So I am not sure that what you said here has always been the case. What a gig, spinning off plasma from cadavers and selling the growth hormone and killing a lot of people with mad cow-like disease. I cannot remember the company, Humatrope I think was the brand. (I used to have to iodinate it for research purposes.) The company got sued and the survivors have been provided free GH for the rest of their lives. -- Re: Prometrium It is altered and synthesized - from plants. That is why it is patentable. It is not " naturally occuring Progesterone " that we make in our bodies. However, the end result is exactly the same, chemically and structurally bioidentical to human Progesterone. Because they synthesize it from plants and move the molecules around to make it match human Progesterone, it is patentable. I think that they were required by the FDA to put those warnings on their product or they wouldn't have been able to market it. The warnings are applicable to synthetic Progesterone, not bioidentical Progesterone, but that wouldn't stop the FDA from requiring them from putting the same warnings on the Bio-Id stuff. The FDA and big pharmaceutical companies are VERY hostile to bioidentical hormonal products and it is not unusual at all for them to refer to bioidentical Progesterone as having the same risks that synthetic Progesterone has - when it doesn't. --- Linn wrote: > , > > I can't post pictures to the yahoo group. I am not a > chemist. The > chemical composition was off the Prometrium > manufacturer's website. > My stepfather was a pharmacist, been reading drug > info since I was a > kid. I've looked up human progesterone chemical > composition in books > and also on the internet. The info on Prometrium is > from > www.rxlist.com, www.drugs.com, > www.solvaypharmaceuticals-us.com, > etc. Google Prometrium and it all comes up. This > side effects are > listed from the manufacturer of Prometrium itself. > Progesterone that > is exactly like human progesterone would not have > these side > effects. It states that these risks were from > people using > Prometrium. Everything I have read regarding > patents states that an > item like progesterone would have to be modified or > purified in some > way in order to grant a patent. > > Linn __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Linn: Is your compounded progesterone creme or tablets? I know the company is saying it is bioidentical and all bioidenticals have the same molecular/chemical structure. I know all about isomers, enantiomers (funny jargon), mirror images etc. However, I myself am not convinced that bioidentical really is, in any drug. For example, my endocrinoligist who was the chemist and worked for a pharm co. before going to med school...........she perferred me to take one type of growth hormone because it is made in mammalian cells. Most other companies make their GH using bacteria. If it is bioidentical, the 181 atom structure and all, why would that matter. So my only argument here is that the company says it is bioidentical and so does the FDA and literature and the compound looks identical. However, even with my chem/endo background, I cannot look at a compound and tell just by the drawing, if it is the same due to bonding patterns that are not always shown in complex molecules. Like sugar, dextrose is the d or right mirror image and mixed with it left hand mirror image, yet we can only use one of the mirror images, the other does not get metabolized by the body (example Splenda). So tho these companies say they are bioidentical, including your compounded progesterone, I have had side effects with bioidenticals that I sure did not have with my own in my body, that I know of. I realize taking a medication is never going to be as precise and the body releasing it in adequate amounts, but I think in the future, we will find that bioidenticals do have differences than the real thing, even if it cannot be seen by the chemical representation in a drawing. That is OK is you are trying to give me a hard time, lol! -- Re: Prometrium , Not trying to give you a hard time, I'm just leery. My bio-identical Cortisol carries the same warnings that I see on mainstream prescriptions for HC, yet my compounded progesterone does not. That makes me suspicious, especially when the literature lists the side effects as Prometrium users, not just studies reflecting all synthetic progestins. The only side effects listed for my compounded progesterone are possible sore breasts and sleepiness in case you take too much. I read that Prometrium is a 200 mg dose, is that correct? That is way more than my doc would prescribe in the bio- identical. I was taking 75 mg at one point which was the highest dose they like to prescribe. 200 mgs is a lot for your liver to be processing. I'm still leery and feel more comfortable with compounded. Linn On Sep 22, 2006, at 9:45 PM, C. Mannelli, Ed.D. wrote: > I don't know what else to say. All of this is incorrect. I used to > do drug > studies as well. It has stated here many times, that the warnings > for HC > are for huge doses and for steroids in general and that HC in > physiological > doses does not have these side effects. Same with Prometrium. Like > I said, > they are listing these things to cover themselves. > > Again, I looked at Solvay and several other sites as well as my > books. The > chemical structures shown, are identical. Prometrium is identical to > progesterone produced by the human ovaries. > > It is incorrect that a natural item has to have its very chemical > structure > altered to get a patent. Something can be added, like the multiple > patents > on the various bioidentical growth hormones, which are all the same > exact > chemical structure with inactive additions. > >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Hi , " Generic HGH is available from Applied Pharmacy Services in Las Vegas and costs $180 for an 18 iu bottle, so that would be about $250/month (assuming you inject 1 iu/day). " This info just came recently, Sept. 5th, from someone I know of who works at an anti-aging clinic in Calif, so it's probably still accurate. --- " C. Mannelli, Ed.D. " wrote: > : > > I knew someone was supposed to get their generic > approved. I was counting > on Teva. Their product has had no problems. Do you > know what pharmacy? > > I actually did try the stuff from China. I was > scared and warned but the > only side effect I noticed was redness at the > injection site. It worked > very well. I just could not deal with getting it > from China, too risky. It > was about two dollars an IU as compared to 10 or > more dollars an IU. I was > paying cash for my prescription GH and it cost 600. > oo a month back then. > My insurance would not cover > it.......................why it is covering it > now, when there is generic, is crazy. > > > > -- Re: Prometrium > > > > It is altered and synthesized - from plants. That > is > > why it is patentable. It is not " naturally > occuring > > Progesterone " that we make in our bodies. > > > > However, the end result is exactly the same, > > chemically and structurally bioidentical to human > > Progesterone. > > > > Because they synthesize it from plants and move > the > > molecules around to make it match human > > Progesterone, > > it is patentable. > > > > I think that they were required by the FDA to put > > those warnings on their product or they wouldn't > > have > > been able to market it. The warnings are > applicable > > to > > synthetic Progesterone, not bioidentical > > Progesterone, > > but that wouldn't stop the FDA from requiring them > > from putting the same warnings on the Bio-Id > stuff. > > > > The FDA and big pharmaceutical companies are VERY > > hostile to bioidentical hormonal products and it > is > > not unusual at all for them to refer to > bioidentical > > Progesterone as having the same risks that > synthetic > > Progesterone has - when it doesn't. > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 , Mine are capsules with powder inside. I use Hotze's pharmacy in Katy, Tx. Linn On Sep 23, 2006, at 9:15 AM, C. Mannelli, Ed.D. wrote: > Linn: > > Is your compounded progesterone creme or tablets? > > I know the company is saying it is bioidentical and all > bioidenticals have > the same molecular/chemical structure. I know all about isomers, > enantiomers (funny jargon), mirror images etc. However, I myself am > not > convinced that bioidentical really is, in any drug. > >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 I have a friend who goes to Hotze. Mine pills have liquid in them. I do not like the pill, it is like a little rubber ball. I actually stopped taking them and just use the compounded creme I get from a pharmacy near Dallas. -- Re: Prometrium , Mine are capsules with powder inside. I use Hotze's pharmacy in Katy, Tx. Linn On Sep 23, 2006, at 9:15 AM, C. Mannelli, Ed.D. wrote: > Linn: > > Is your compounded progesterone creme or tablets? > > I know the company is saying it is bioidentical and all > bioidenticals have > the same molecular/chemical structure. I know all about isomers, > enantiomers (funny jargon), mirror images etc. However, I myself am > not > convinced that bioidentical really is, in any drug. > >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 The other concern to me is the peanut oil. Peanuts are a goitregen, and also the chemical process to produce the oil itself. It's a really high dosage at 200 mgs., that's a lot of excess for your body to process. I don't know, I'd still be very leery of using this. I'm a fan of Dr. Tim O'Shea, only what the body needs and nothing leftover to process out. Even good things become a problem when in excess. Linn On Sep 22, 2006, at 8:26 AM, C. Mannelli, Ed.D. wrote: > > http://www.families-first.com/hotflash/faq/prometrium.htm > -------Original Message------- > >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Linn: My Prometrium pills are 100 mgs. You absorb only 10 % according to my doc, so a 200 mg dose would really be 20 mgs. Like cortef you do not absorb the entire 5 mg dose. I do wonder why they would use peanut oil, with so many people allergic to it. -- Re: Prometrium The other concern to me is the peanut oil. Peanuts are a goitregen, and also the chemical process to produce the oil itself. It's a really high dosage at 200 mgs., that's a lot of excess for your body to process. I don't know, I'd still be very leery of using this. I'm a fan of Dr. Tim O'Shea, only what the body needs and nothing leftover to process out. Even good things become a problem when in excess. Linn On Sep 22, 2006, at 8:26 AM, C. Mannelli, Ed.D. wrote: > > http://www.families-first.com/hotflash/faq/prometrium.htm > -------Original Message------- > >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Here is an interesting bit on Teva in the lower half of this article. The article states that the maker of this pen, Novo Nordisk, sued Teva and it's licensor Savient Pharmaceuticals, to keep them from being able to market their generic HGH in the US, saying that Teva/Savient had infringed on Novo's patenting of genetic HGH. Teva/Savient appealed and the lawsuit by Novo was struck down as the courts said Novo's patent was invalid and unenforceable on a biological product. This was in 2004. http://www.drugresearcher.com/news/ng.asp?id=55327-novo-launches-first --- " C. Mannelli, Ed.D. " wrote: > You cannot order it from Israel from what I hear. > Teva will not risk > selling it to us. This all may have changed as I > have not tracked it and > Teva was the company that was supposed to get the > approval. > > Were you the one asking about GH? If you have PPO > insurance and if your doc > will prescribe it, starting out low it is not that > expensive. > > I started out very very high dose from a > rejuvenation clinic. Those clinics > were giving out scripts right and left. My doc > there stopped doing it after > I was on it a year. It was very hard to scrape up > the money and I had to > use my credit card. > > > Starting on a high dose was a mistake. Now after > being on this list, I > realize I stressed my adrenals. I was started on > about twice what I take > now. > > > Email me off group and I can give you more info on > it. > > Sanrda __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Oh thats good to know about peanuts. I used to eat peanut butter toast for hypoglycemia a lot, but won't be doing that in the future if the hypoglycemia ever comes back in force. 200 mgs Progesterone isn't high, taken orally. Most of that gets destroyed in the liver. The cream form is absorbed much better through your skin and capillaries, so that doesn't happen. So a 200 mg. amount in cream would mostly get through into your body, but a 200 mg. amount orally would have a large portion of it destroyed. --- Linn wrote: > The other concern to me is the peanut oil. Peanuts > are a goitregen, > and also the chemical process to produce the oil > itself. It's a > really high dosage at 200 mgs., that's a lot of > excess for your body > to process. I don't know, I'd still be very leery > of using this. > I'm a fan of Dr. Tim O'Shea, only what the body > needs and nothing > leftover to process out. Even good things become a > problem when in > excess. > > Linn > > On Sep 22, 2006, at 8:26 AM, C. Mannelli, > Ed.D. wrote: > > > > > > http://www.families-first.com/hotflash/faq/prometrium.htm > > -------Original Message------- > > > >> . > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Wow something weird is going on with Yahoo mail this afternoon, tons of messages are being routed into my junk folder from this list, and I didn't set that. It also made me copy some alphabet letters before I could send my next email to the list. Hmmm. Anyway...... Here is an interesting bit on Teva in the lower half of this article. The article states that the maker of this pen, Novo Nordisk, sued Teva and it's licensor Savient Pharmaceuticals, to keep them from being able to market their generic HGH in the US, saying that Teva/Savient had infringed on Novo's patenting of genetic HGH. Teva/Savient appealed and the lawsuit by Novo was struck down as the courts said Novo's patent was invalid and unenforceable on a biological product. This was in 2004. http://www.drugresearcher.com/news/ng.asp?id=55327-novo-launches-first > --- " C. Mannelli, Ed.D. " > wrote: > > > You cannot order it from Israel from what I hear. > > Teva will not risk > > selling it to us. This all may have changed as I > > have not tracked it and > > Teva was the company that was supposed to get the > > approval. > > > > Were you the one asking about GH? If you have PPO > > insurance and if your doc > > will prescribe it, starting out low it is not that > > expensive. > > > > I started out very very high dose from a > > rejuvenation clinic. Those clinics > > were giving out scripts right and left. My doc > > there stopped doing it after > > I was on it a year. It was very hard to scrape up > > the money and I had to > > use my credit card. > > > > > > Starting on a high dose was a mistake. Now after > > being on this list, I > > realize I stressed my adrenals. I was started > on > > about twice what I take > > now. > > > > > > Email me off group and I can give you more info on > > it. > > > > Sanrda __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 I'm so sorry. I can't even imagine losing a child. Did they ever figure out how she ended up with aplastic anemia? Best, Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com Curly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com ~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~ ~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for the purpose of storing dead batteries.~ > I know exactly what you mean. I lost a 5 year old daughter to > aplastic anemia, went through several horrendous problems with blood > banks and hemotologists, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 That's because Prometrium is synthetic. You want natural progesterone cream (that is what I use) from yams. Plant based. NOT soy. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 We have had this conversation with others on this group. Prometrium is not synthetic, but bioidentical. -- Re: Prometrium That's because Prometrium is synthetic. You want natural progesterone cream (that is what I use) from yams. Plant based. NOT soy. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Prometrium Capsules is a progesterone made from yams that is structurally identical to natural occurring progesterone found in a woman's body. Micronized means the progesterone is " chopped up " which makes it easier for the body to absorb. http://www.families-first.com/hotflash/faq/prometrium.htm -- Re: Prometrium That's because Prometrium is synthetic. You want natural progesterone cream (that is what I use) from yams. Plant based. NOT soy. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 My apologies - either senior moment or fuzzy thinking - I was thinking of the other one; couldn't remember the name, but think they were similar. Sorry about that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 No prob. I was worried I was taking more horse hormones! -- Re: Prometrium My apologies - either senior moment or fuzzy thinking - I was thinking of the other one; couldn't remember the name, but think they were similar. Sorry about that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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