Re: Help treating adrenals.

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It seems quite a lot of people in later stages of

Adrenal Fatigue really need HC, rather than Isocort,

so if you're in stage 6 or 7 or even 5, you might do

better on HC than Isocort. Do you know what stage

you're in?

I was very sick with severe hypoglycemia for 3 years

back in the early/mid 1990's. I found then that it's a

good idea to take the three meals a day and divide

each meal up into two smaller meals, eaten every 3 to

4 hours throughout the day from the time I got up

until the time I went to bed - making sure there is

plenty of protein in each meal.

This way I avoided that nasty drop in blood sugar a

few hours after eating. If it did happen at the

beginning of learning how to do this, then I just

moved the smaller meals a bit closer together,

time-wise.

Also I kept a protein snack next to my bed at night,

usually a peanut butter sandwich or two. And I always

had a jug of orange juice with me, no matter where I

went, in case of a very bad blood sugar drop in which

I was going to pass out. That usually saved me, but

then of course I had to eat protein immediately also

so that the orange juice itself wouldn't cause a

horrid blood sugar spike and then drop.

Also I cut out all caffeine, and sugars of all kinds,

except when I was fairly well over the hypoglycemia

and then I could have some apple along with protein,

such as a slice of apple and cheese.

Along with that, I began walking 15 minutes a day on

the treadmill, or outside. Not vigorous walking, just

regular, nice walking. No breaking a sweat at all.

Together these two things got rid of the hypoglycemia,

but for me doing one without the other doesn't work.

It has to be both walking at least once a day, AND

eating small meals every few hours.

Also, I had found back then a Dr. who started me on

HC, and that really helped to lessen the hypoglycemia.

At the time my adrenals were shot, even though I

didn't know what stage I was in or anything, so this

really helped me.

It's really important to make sure your adrenals are

well supported before beginning on Thyroid medication

if you need them, from what I understand. How was your

Progesterone level? Estrogen level? What stage of

Adrenal Fatigue are you in?

--- hamerreda3 wrote:

> Hello to all,i previously posted my asi test results

> a few weeks

> back,which prove i have adrenal fatigue.

> In between that time and the present,i went to see

> an

> endocrinologist,which like i was pre warned would be

> a waste of

> time,as he had me take a blood test for some thyroid

> function(not sure

> which test exactly).

> The test was taken first thing in the morning while

> fasting.

> To make a long story short iam desperate,and

> basically i am leaning

> toward hc,as valerie and a few others stated i may

> need to start

> supplementing.

> I basically want to weigh my options,and i also need

> some info on

> isocort,so ai can figure out if this may help me

> any.

> My symptoms consist of lislessness ,brain fog,and my

> coordination,and

> concentration are basically non existent,i am also

> hypoglycemic,so if

> i am doing anything on an empty stomach,after a

> while i become

> week,anxious to the point where i sometimes begin to

> tremble in the

> fingers,and hands.

> Thanks for any input given,and i really do

> appreciate all feedback and

> suggestions.

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>

> It seems quite a lot of people in later stages of

> Adrenal Fatigue really need HC, rather than Isocort,

> so if you're in stage 6 or 7 or even 5, you might do

> better on HC than Isocort. Do you know what stage

> you're in?

>

> I was very sick with severe hypoglycemia for 3 years

> back in the early/mid 1990's. I found then that it's a

> good idea to take the three meals a day and divide

> each meal up into two smaller meals, eaten every 3 to

> 4 hours throughout the day from the time I got up

> until the time I went to bed - making sure there is

> plenty of protein in each meal.

>

> This way I avoided that nasty drop in blood sugar a

> few hours after eating. If it did happen at the

> beginning of learning how to do this, then I just

> moved the smaller meals a bit closer together,

> time-wise.

>

> Also I kept a protein snack next to my bed at night,

> usually a peanut butter sandwich or two. And I always

> had a jug of orange juice with me, no matter where I

> went, in case of a very bad blood sugar drop in which

> I was going to pass out. That usually saved me, but

> then of course I had to eat protein immediately also

> so that the orange juice itself wouldn't cause a

> horrid blood sugar spike and then drop.

>

> Also I cut out all caffeine, and sugars of all kinds,

> except when I was fairly well over the hypoglycemia

> and then I could have some apple along with protein,

> such as a slice of apple and cheese.

>

> Along with that, I began walking 15 minutes a day on

> the treadmill, or outside. Not vigorous walking, just

> regular, nice walking. No breaking a sweat at all.

>

> Together these two things got rid of the hypoglycemia,

> but for me doing one without the other doesn't work.

> It has to be both walking at least once a day, AND

> eating small meals every few hours.

>

> Also, I had found back then a Dr. who started me on

> HC, and that really helped to lessen the hypoglycemia.

> At the time my adrenals were shot, even though I

> didn't know what stage I was in or anything, so this

> really helped me.

>

> It's really important to make sure your adrenals are

> well supported before beginning on Thyroid medication

> if you need them, from what I understand. How was your

> Progesterone level? Estrogen level? What stage of

> Adrenal Fatigue are you in?

>

>

>

>

> Thank you for the reply,i was at stage 5 at the time of the

test,my sIGA was also depressedmy neurotrnasmitter levels were out

of whack also,as far as the hormone levels go i have no clue as i

was not tested for this.

So basically i probably need to be on HC then huh?

Thanksagain for the input.

[Guest guest]

This may be a silly question, but I take Cortef and I don't ever see anyone

mention that on here.

Is Cortef HC or Isocort?

Thanks.

>

>

> >

> > It seems quite a lot of people in later stages of

> > Adrenal Fatigue really need HC, rather than Isocort,

> > so if you're in stage 6 or 7 or even 5, you might do

> > better on HC than Isocort. Do you know what stage

> > you're in?

> >

> > I was very sick with severe hypoglycemia for 3 years

> > back in the early/mid 1990's. I found then that it's a

> > good idea to take the three meals a day and divide

> > each meal up into two smaller meals, eaten every 3 to

> > 4 hours throughout the day from the time I got up

> > until the time I went to bed - making sure there is

> > plenty of protein in each meal.

> >

> > This way I avoided that nasty drop in blood sugar a

> > few hours after eating. If it did happen at the

> > beginning of learning how to do this, then I just

> > moved the smaller meals a bit closer together,

> > time-wise.

> >

> > Also I kept a protein snack next to my bed at night,

> > usually a peanut butter sandwich or two. And I always

> > had a jug of orange juice with me, no matter where I

> > went, in case of a very bad blood sugar drop in which

> > I was going to pass out. That usually saved me, but

> > then of course I had to eat protein immediately also

> > so that the orange juice itself wouldn't cause a

> > horrid blood sugar spike and then drop.

> >

> > Also I cut out all caffeine, and sugars of all kinds,

> > except when I was fairly well over the hypoglycemia

> > and then I could have some apple along with protein,

> > such as a slice of apple and cheese.

> >

> > Along with that, I began walking 15 minutes a day on

> > the treadmill, or outside. Not vigorous walking, just

> > regular, nice walking. No breaking a sweat at all.

> >

> > Together these two things got rid of the hypoglycemia,

> > but for me doing one without the other doesn't work.

> > It has to be both walking at least once a day, AND

> > eating small meals every few hours.

> >

> > Also, I had found back then a Dr. who started me on

> > HC, and that really helped to lessen the hypoglycemia.

> > At the time my adrenals were shot, even though I

> > didn't know what stage I was in or anything, so this

> > really helped me.

> >

> > It's really important to make sure your adrenals are

> > well supported before beginning on Thyroid medication

> > if you need them, from what I understand. How was your

> > Progesterone level? Estrogen level? What stage of

> > Adrenal Fatigue are you in?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Thank you for the reply,i was at stage 5 at the time of the

> test,my sIGA was also depressedmy neurotrnasmitter levels were out

> of whack also,as far as the hormone levels go i have no clue as i

> was not tested for this.

> So basically i probably need to be on HC then huh?

> Thanksagain for the input.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I just wanted to say that this an email par-excellent imho with

regards to adrenal fatigue protocol, especially regarding the stages

as it fit me to a T, and I'm sure others, thanks for the

concise and clear information

>

> It's a good idea imo to get a Saliva Test for your sex

> hormones because the adrenals use Progesterone to make

> Cortisol. Low Progesterone = low adrenal function for

> making Cortisol.

>

> That's not the only cause for low adrenal function of

> course, but Progesterone levels should always be taken

> into account in the whole picture.

>

> From what I understand, many Stage 5 people give

> Isocort a try before they try HC, and for some the

> Isocort works out for them.

>

> My thinking on this is that those people for whom

> Isocort works best are nearer the beginning of Stage

> 5, and those for whom HC works better are probably

> closer to the end of Stage 5, nearer to Stage 6.

> That's just my own take on it though.

>

> But, sometimes people in Stage 5 start out on HC

> instead of Isocort, or end up switching from Isocort

> to HC after trying Isocort with poor results.

>

> It's very individual and what each person does will

> depend on how what is working best for them. There

> isn't a " one size fits all " solution. It has to be

> tailored to your own situation.

>

> Whichever is tried, imo it is good to take several

> weeks to even work up to the optimal dose first, and

> then after that stay there for at least 4 - 5 weeks

> before really being able to say whether it is working

> well. Then at that point adjustments can be made if

> needed, Armour added, etc.

>

> You can always start out on the Isocort if you're

> leery about jumping right into HC, and see if it works

> for you, or if it doesn't work, whether you'll need to

> go to HC.

>

> There is a chart on stopthemadness that I think Val or

> made that shows how to increase and work up to

> your optimal dosage of HC or Isocort.

>

> Hope you are feeling better soon! Remember that eating

> schedule and the gentle walking, that helps with the

> hypoglycemia too.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/10/2006 12:47:00 GMT Daylight Time,

cccquilter@... writes:

which is why I have high hopes.

Wishing you the best of luck with your new doc .

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

There is no way I can afford tests out of pocket; that isn't going to happen. I

was able to determine that stage 4 AF fits me to a T. I have ordered Isocort to

accompany my Armour. I will see how it works for me. I also am taking SP

dessicated adrenals, which I will continue taking. I will adjust dosages to how

I feel. I am seeing a new doctor Nov. 6th - am hoping I will finally find a doc

that can be a partner with me in improving my health. Just to sleep at night

without waking up would be a blessing. I have tried EVERYTHING on the market for

sleep, and so far nothing. I am so tired of being tired. I have high hopes of

this doc as he treats Fibro (which I have, but the hypoT came first with me),

and prescribes Armour. The jury is out until I have actually spoken with him. He

did do an interview with Shomon, which is why I have high hopes.

[Guest guest]

--- I know this is kind of off topic,but i am curious to find out if

any one else here experiences thjis.

I have a major problem that is wrecking my social,and personal life.

For example my fiancee at home often gets away with alot of

things,where in the past if i were in good health i would of probaby

put her out of the house,or she would voluntarily leave because she

woldn't be able to get away with doing what she wants.

Before i go any further let me just clear the air,i do not control

or abuse women in any way shape,or form.

Now i find that when i see something i do not like which would more

than likely start an argument with normal functioning individuals.

I begin to shake, tremble,and i cannot put words together to get my

point across.

If she says something that is negative towards me i feel like she is

against me,this goes for everyone in general.

So bottom line i seem to suck up to her at times,and basically it's

getting frustrating and i'm tired of living like this.

Honestly if my relationship ended today i don't think i would be

able to cope.

Just need to know if this has any connection to my adrenal

disfunction.

I spoke to someone a while back,and they told me they had the same

problem,until she began taking HC,and after awhile she and her

husband argued on a daily basis and it never bothered her

emotionally.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Inability to cope with stress is a HUGE adrenal symptom. We learn to

avoid confrontation at all costs.

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Okay, some may say that your sensitive when you have

weak adrenals but this could be because your tired and

it’s tough to cope with anything or anyone when your

tired.

--- hamerreda3 wrote:

> --- I know this is kind of off topic,but i am

> curious to find out if

> any one else here experiences thjis.

> I have a major problem that is wrecking my

> social,and personal life.

> For example my fiancee at home often gets away with

> alot of

> things,where in the past if i were in good health i

> would of probaby

> put her out of the house,or she would voluntarily

> leave because she

> woldn't be able to get away with doing what she

> wants.

> Before i go any further let me just clear the air,i

> do not control

> or abuse women in any way shape,or form.

> Now i find that when i see something i do not like

> which would more

> than likely start an argument with normal

> functioning individuals.

> I begin to shake, tremble,and i cannot put words

> together to get my

> point across.

> If she says something that is negative towards me i

> feel like she is

> against me,this goes for everyone in general.

> So bottom line i seem to suck up to her at times,and

> basically it's

> getting frustrating and i'm tired of living like

> this.

> Honestly if my relationship ended today i don't

> think i would be

> able to cope.

> Just need to know if this has any connection to my

> adrenal

> disfunction.

> I spoke to someone a while back,and they told me

> they had the same

> problem,until she began taking HC,and after awhile

> she and her

> husband argued on a daily basis and it never

> bothered her

> emotionally.

>

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

>

> Inability to cope with stress is a HUGE adrenal symptom. We learn to

> avoid confrontation at all costs.

>

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>

Thank you so much val for your feed back,and i don't know if you ever

received my e-mail,thanking you for the Hc links.

I basically wasted time seing the endocrinologist,as i wanted to se if

he would indeed write a prescription for the hC,but he just gave me

the blood test at 8am (fasting) i'm not sure what it was for,probably

just regular t3 t4,which offcourse came back normal.

So i just ordered some isocort.

I will try it out,if it doesn't help i will get the HC,what do you

think?

I have 2 months to get somewhat functional again or i am in big

trouble,as my disability benefits run out in the end of december.

Well, best wishes to all,and thanks for all the input.

Ps,where can i find a dosing schedule for isocort?

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Not feeling the HC.

I have 2 questions. I have had adrenal saliva testing so I know I am low.

I have taken up to 20 mgs. And feel absolutely nothing. I keep reading that

people feel so much better on HC more energy, that has not been my

experience. I just want your input on this. Also, can you tell, by looking

at my numbers, what " stage " of adrenal fatigue I have?

7AM 0.37 reference range .0.27-2.06

12:00 0.21 0.03- 0.77

3:00 0.11 0.03-0.56

11:00 0.03 0.03-0.50

I am taking 4 grains and still feel very tired. I also use Prog cream, as I

was diagnosed estrogen dominance last year.

Thanks, in TN

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Do you have thyroid labs you can add to this?

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>

> If you only have 2 months I would head straight for the HC.

>

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>

Okay thanks i may just go ahead and order the hc too,just wasted $30

on isocort.

Okay do you have any stateside links for the HC?

[Guest guest]

>

> Okay, some may say that your sensitive when you have

> weak adrenals but this could be because your tired and

> it's tough to cope with anything or anyone when your

> tired.

>

>

> It's not really feeling tired it's just dealing with stressful

situations that would case an adrenal rush with normal people.

For me arguing or anything i would start to trembleand shake,then

begin sweating,i cannot see myself even going fistacuffs with

someone right now,even to just defend myself.

I think that may be a major reason why i don't socialize

anymore,like going out to public events or anywher there's a crowd.

Even driving has become a major task,as i cannot focus,and i'm not

alert as i used to be,so i tend to drive slow,like old people do lol.

This i think has been the most scary symptom,that and even getting

on the swing ata park feels like i'm on a rollercoaster

ride,actually made me dizzy and nauseous.

These things never bothered me before.

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Nothing in the USA to order HC.

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>

> Nothing in the USA to order HC.

>

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>

Okay i just ordered 4 packs of 30 10mmg tabs,it takes 2weeks though.

So do you think i should even try the isocort at all?

Or just wait for the HC to get here.

Sorry if i sound stubborn/stupid,i sometimes rationalize too much.

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Y9u can start with the Isocort and build up then just switch to HC when

it arrives.

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>

> Y9u can start with the Isocort and build up then just switch to HC

when

> it arrives.

>

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>

Ok thanks again val.

Where can i find a dosing schedule for Isocort?

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=994 & sid=22ab7c455\

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[Guest guest]

Hi, I am also have adrenal problems - have been on the isocort for over a

month, got up to 4 a day, but started feeling really awful, even worse

sleeping problems etc - also added iodoral at the same time.

My endro, since my CC test showed so low on the DHEA recommended using that

I was at a 1 and the rage is 3 - 10.

So I have been taking that, supposedly the DHEA would help repair the

adrenals, hypothalamus etc. but so far nothing...

Nothing except I feel rotten...I have high cortisol at night and someone low

during the day.

Could the isocort - taking the 2 at night make sleep even worse since this

is when I am high.

I dropped down to 3 taking only one at night - am thinking about getting

some more of the PS stuff again.

I have gone 8 days without sleep - was trying not to take any halcion

(sleeping pill) but finally broke down last night and took a whole one -

tried a half and still didn't sleep.

Usually after 3 - 4 nights of no sleep I will sleep 3 - 4 hours on my own

without taking a sleeping pill.

I am taking 4 grains of armour, sea salt and vit c. and a bunch of different

Vit B's recommended on the adrenals site.

I hoping for answers, but am about ready to just shoot myself.

SeaLady

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I have not had labs in a while now, the last ones I had I was at 2 grains

and both free t-3 & free t-4 were mid range I do have antibodies (87)

My pulse is now at 85 morning temp 97.2 daily 98.1

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Subject: Re: Re: Help treating adrenals.

Do you have thyroid labs you can add to this?

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Have you followed a good SLOW protocol for increasing the HC? Here is

what I susually suggest folks do:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=994

Also you need to take more in the AM which will in turn lower your night

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, mid range for thyroid labs is not a good place to be. Your

problems could be hypo still! Most of us feel best with the T3 near the

top of it's range if not slightly over, and the T4 near the top as well.

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Hi,

You said:

" For example my fiancee at home often gets away with

alot of things,where in the past if i were in good

health i would of probaby put her out of the house,or

she would voluntarily leave because she woldn't be

able to get away with doing what she wants. "

but then you said this:

" Honestly if my relationship ended today i don't think

i would be able to cope. "

It sounds like you might be in a relationship where

you feel damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

Kind of stuck in something unhealthy and stressful,

but yet will have even more stress if you take steps

to end it.

I guess what I would do in a situation like that is

sit down and look at all the factors. Would it be

better for my health to not be going through this

stress day after day after day with the fiance there?

Yes, of course.

But, if I broke up with her, would I be able to stand

the stress of her leaving, and be able to pick myself

up and go on with life in a relatively short period of

time, and not have that daily stress in my life that's

making me sicker now?

So, look at all the factors, and then decide what will

be best for you now AND in the long run.

Imo, if someone says they love you and knows that you

are sick and cannot tolerate stress, yet continues to

do things on purpose that make you sicker, this is not

really love, this is selfishness.

You and she are the only ones who know the whole

story. Whether you've tried sitting down and talking

with her about your illness, what you need, what you

need from her, what you cannot tolerate that makes you

sicker, etc. all of these things should be discussed

so that she has a clear idea of what is wrong with you

and what she can do to HELP you, not make you sicker.

Arguing every day and trying to " get away with things "

is not really an example of two people who love each

other, have compassion and caring and respect for each

other.

People who truly love each other would never even

think of doing something that would make the other one

sicker, but would do all they can to help heal. That

is real love and caring about someone else.

People with adrenal dysfunction need the very least

amount of stress in their lives possible. And we need

supportive spouses/friends, not people who add to the

stress and make us sicker. You mentioned this

relationship is " wrecking your social and personal

life " , so it sounds very destructive and not like a

healing, loving relationship at all.

---

wrote:

> Okay, some may say that your sensitive when you have

> weak adrenals but this could be because your tired

> and

> it’s tough to cope with anything or anyone when your

> tired.

>

> --- hamerreda3 wrote:

>

> > --- I know this is kind of off topic,but i am

> > curious to find out if

> > any one else here experiences thjis.

> > I have a major problem that is wrecking my

> > social,and personal life.

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