Re: re: high carbs, low carb diet

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-07-13 07:47:47 EDT, you write:

<< I just have to be honest with myself and my doctor and realize I will

never be free of diabetes pills because I can't do a total low carb diet. In

4 weeks I have burnt out on the only 2 veggies and fruits that I can eat.

>>

, there are LOTS of lowcarb foods you can eat. If you think you can only

eat 2 veggies, no wonder you're burned out!

Here are some good lowcarb veggies: spinach, cabbage, sauerkraut,

cauliflower, asparagus, bok choy. These are all off the top of my head; I'm

sure there are a lot more. Just stay away from the root veggies such as

carrots, beets, potatos, yams, etc. And some people can even eat these

without too much problem. And Carbsmart has a lowcarb recipe exchange that

is really excellent with many great ideas for lowcarb cooking. Check it out.

You can join at t he Carbsmart site...I think the URL is www.carbsmart.com.

Oh yes, lowcarb fruits...most berries (in small amounts) especially

strawberries, raspberries, blueberries. Cantalope too. Oranges and apples

are pretty highcarb. The best thing to do is eat and test and make good

notes. Good luck! Vicki

[Guest guest]

DaveO question, please explain your statement, i am just courious,( because type

1s can't fly, period.) do you mean as a piolet, ones in the airforce, or do you

mean they the type 1's in general can't fly. and why. looking for an excuse not

to get in a airplane you might say is why i am asking.

glenna 30yr diabetic, 30yr hypothyroidism

15mg actos, 35units nph, 360mg armor thyroid, 10mg lipitor

lo-carb,lo-fat,lo-cal, woe

[Guest guest]

In diabetes_int@y..., DaveO <fencible@m...> wrote:

I'm gonna be easy here and tell you that I don't need your love and

concern, nor your pushiness, which I feel it is, so stash it.

I do need your ideas on what works for you. I don't need a re-take on

the LC-MC-HC wars. Again, check the archives.

We can get pretty vocal also, although what it has tended to do is

make very good people just say the hell with it and unsubscribe.

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I don't beleive my post deserved this kind of reply. And I will take

your advice and unsubscribe. There are pleny of other diabetes sites

besides this one.

in Seattle...

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First DaveO- that was well mean, sorry but it was no need to be that way, we all

have a different woe, so can we keep the tone to a friendly informative one,

keep the anger and frusrations to a low. for one i am glad to see some who can

eat a more viratity of foods, wish i could, but i am not jeoulous. i eat how i

can. and you have givin some great advise keep it up. and your humor is

priceless.

Secound in Seattle, there is no need to unsub. if you offended say so, let

it be known, then go on with life, this group has a lot of great knowlege and

information, that we all can learn from, and unsubing just takes that all away.

i too am a bit tired of the heated arguments over the woe's here. but a lot of

good info comes out of the fighting. just hang in there. huggs to you both,

DaveO you got weather you want them or not.

glenna 30yr diabetic, 30yr hypothyroidism

15mg actos, 35units nph, 360mg armor thyroid, 10mg lipitor

lo-carb,lo-fat,lo-cal, woe

[Guest guest]

Glenna wrote:

> my brother today, he has moved back home, his diabetic condition is well out

of control. the docs have told him he will loose his right leg within a year.

Glenna,

I strongly suggest you try and get your brother to read. " Dr Bernstein's

Diabetes Solution " by Dr Bernstein. He speaks extensively about being

able to stop & in some cases even reverse some of the complicatlions that we

diabetics can get. It is perhaps possible for your brother to forestall or even

avoid losing the leg if he acts now to get his

blood glucose under good control. You don't say what his control problem is, but

IMHO, really good control (normal non-diabetic levels) is his best hope for the

leg. It is possible for many and surely the potential loss of a leg is a

motivating factor.

I know you can't make another person do anything, but its worth a try to at

least let him know there is hope.

Good luck.

[Guest guest]

Thank you DaveO, have a good day, i got to see my brother today, he has moved

back home, his diabetic condition is well out of control. the docs have told him

he will loose his right leg within a year. he is 6'2 110lbs type 2 for ten yrs

or so. i have talked to him about things, hoping he hears me. it was a bitter

sweet reunion. so i needed the hug.

glenna 30yr diabetic, 30yr hypothyroidism

15mg actos, 35units nph, 360mg armor thyroid, 10mg lipitor

lo-carb,lo-fat,lo-cal, woe

[Guest guest]

Glenna wrote:

>

> Thank you DaveO, have a good day, i got to see my brother today, he has moved

back home, his diabetic condition is well out of control. the docs have told him

he will loose his right leg within a year. he is 6'2 110lbs type 2 for ten yrs

or so. i have talked to him about things, hoping he hears me. it was a bitter

sweet reunion. so i needed the hug.

Man, I would be seriously concerned about the type 2 label at 6'2 " & 110

lbs.. Just doesn't fit.

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Dave - 5:15:28 PM

T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H

A 4th generation Diabetic

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Davors Daily Aphorism:

Woman's mind is cleaner than man's; it changes more often

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[Guest guest]

Prob too late but I hope you don't do that-

E

dx'd 2/16/01-T2

hbA1c 2/16/01= 11.7

hbA1c 4/20/01=6.7

hbA1c 6/26/01= 5.0

44 yrs old,diet & exercise

I'm gonna be easy here and tell you that I don't need your love and

concern, nor your pushiness, which I feel it is, so stash it.

I do need your ideas on what works for you. I don't need a re-take on

the LC-MC-HC wars. Again, check the archives.

We can get pretty vocal also, although what it has tended to do is

make very good people just say the hell with it and unsubscribe.

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I don't beleive my post deserved this kind of reply. And I will take

your advice and unsubscribe. There are pleny of other diabetes sites

besides this one.

in Seattle...

[Guest guest]

A few more (off the top of my head) are broccoli, artichoke, and green beans

do ok for me. I can eat 1/2 of a small sweet potato ok. I can eat a small

amount of carrots mixed in with celery or some other lower carb veggie.

Salads with cucumbers seem to be ok for me. Some onion seems ok for me. Like

my mom makes a great coleslaw with red onion and regular mayo and a touch of

dijon mustard and it works great. I have even eaten suger snap peas in small

quantities and tolerated them. Yellow squash and zuchini worked ok as does

eggplant. So if you like ratatouille (spelling ?) it might be ok. I ate a

whole tomato alone and tested 1 hr and 2 hrs after and hardly went up at

all. Like Vicki said- eat and test. I am finding more and more things I can

eat. Even some whole wheat and oatmeal breads by pepperidge farm.

E

dx'd 2/16/01-T2

hbA1c 2/16/01= 11.7

hbA1c 4/20/01=6.7

hbA1c 6/26/01= 5.0

44 yrs old,diet & exercise

<<, there are LOTS of lowcarb foods you can eat. If you think you can

only

eat 2 veggies, no wonder you're burned out!

Here are some good lowcarb veggies: spinach, cabbage, sauerkraut,

cauliflower, asparagus, bok choy. These are all off the top of my head; I'm

sure there are a lot more. Just stay away from the root veggies such as

carrots, beets, potatos, yams, etc. And some people can even eat these

without too much problem. And Carbsmart has a lowcarb recipe exchange that

is really excellent with many great ideas for lowcarb cooking. Check it

out.

You can join at t he Carbsmart site...I think the URL is www.carbsmart.com.

Oh yes, lowcarb fruits...most berries (in small amounts) especially

strawberries, raspberries, blueberries. Cantalope too. Oranges and apples

are pretty highcarb. The best thing to do is eat and test and make good

notes. Good luck! Vicki>>

[Guest guest]

I thought it was mean too.

E

dx'd 2/16/01-T2

hbA1c 2/16/01= 11.7

hbA1c 4/20/01=6.7

hbA1c 6/26/01= 5.0

44 yrs old,diet & exercise

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Glenna wrote...

<<<First DaveO- that was well mean, sorry but it was no need to be that

way,>>>

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DaveO wrote:

I'm gonna be easy here and tell you that I don't need your love and

concern, nor your pushiness, which I feel it is, so stash it.

I do need your ideas on what works for you. I don't need a re-take on

the LC-MC-HC wars. Again, check the archives.

We can get pretty vocal also, although what it has tended to do is

make very good people just say the hell with it and unsubscribe.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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I don't believe my post deserved this kind of reply. And I will take

your advice and unsubscribe. There are pleny of other diabetes sites

besides this one.

in Seattle...

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[Guest guest]

Glenna wrote:

>

> no kidding, i discused that with him to, i think the lack of weight, could be

the drugs, or the drugs(crank not diabetic drugs) could have done him in.

> glenna

Yep, that explains a lot of things. Sad.

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Dave - 10:10:04 AM

T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H

A 4th generation Diabetic

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Davors Daily Aphorism:

Chaste makes waste.

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[Guest guest]

no kidding, i discused that with him to, i think the lack of weight, could be

the drugs, or the drugs(crank not diabetic drugs) could have done him in.

glenna

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Man, I would be seriously concerned about the type 2 label at 6'2 " & 110

lbs.. Just doesn't fit.

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Dave - 5:15:28 PM

T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H

A 4th generation Diabetic

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Davors Daily Aphorism:

Woman's mind is cleaner than man's; it changes more often

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