Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 In a message dated 06/10/2006 21:49:35 GMT Daylight Time, djdor1@... writes: Interesting, I have slept the best in ages, one good thing. good idea about thyroid meds, sounds like a delicate balance between the two. Question: does 20 mg h.c raise blood sugar? Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 I found it really relaxing especially while I was building up on it. Slept really good but it will use the thyroid you have inyour system up, so maybe you need to try a tiny bit of thyroid. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Interesting, I have slept the best in ages, one good thing. good idea about thyroid meds, sounds like a delicate balance between the two. are you doing ok too??? > > I found it really relaxing especially while I was building up on it. > Slept really good but it will use the thyroid you have inyour system up, > so maybe you need to try a tiny bit of thyroid. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Thanks for asking, I am doing OK, but a little scared. I got a blood glucose meter. Without eating much today I tested at 196 and then after a low 39G carb meal it jumped to 519. Definitely Diabetic. SO I won;t be able to get into the doc till I can call on Monday and I don;t feel it is emergency material as I still dontl feel THAT bad, so I will call him Monday and go see th eBUTTHEAD. Gads I love my doc... cough cough.. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 >>Question: does 20 mg h.c raise blood sugar?<< From what I have read, NO. It is high cortisol tht raises blood sugar not low levels such as this. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Val: While my email was down, I must have missed you became diabetic?? -- Re: HC Efftects Thanks for asking, I am doing OK, but a little scared. I got a blood glucose meter. Without eating much today I tested at 196 and then after a low 39G carb meal it jumped to 519. Definitely Diabetic. SO I won;t be able to get into the doc till I can call on Monday and I don;t feel it is emergency material as I still dontl feel THAT bad, so I will call him Monday and go see th eBUTTHEAD. Gads I love my doc... cough cough.. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 In a message dated 06/10/2006 22:06:37 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: Monday and go see th eBUTTHEAD. Gads I love my doc... cough cough.. Val, I understand totally your reluctance with the GP. I have , on occasion, had to take a tranquiliser, just to enable me to be composed enough to deal with the doctor. Any wonder my blood pressure is sky high when they take it, lol! And this is because when I hear the drivel that often pours out of their mouths, I feel I may need someone to restrain me....... Val, what are the ranges with the pin-prick method. It is different here. And pse don't be afraid. Look at it this way: it is crisis for sure but also an opportunity to clear up those remaining niggly symptoms that have been plagueing you. I am thinking this also be the same for me and could be why I have had some difficulty with finding that sweet spot. Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 In a message dated 06/10/2006 22:09:13 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: From what I have read, NO. It is high cortisol tht raises blood sugar not low levels such as this. Thanks Val for the clarification. That is the amount I am taking now and I just wondered. Dr said the last test he did for blood sugar (a random one which is oine taken without fasting) actually came in at 5.5 which is lower than the last fasting one of 6.0, top of range is 6.1 but considered 5.5 some. So I was told by the very helpful woman on a Diabetes UK Helpline yesterday. So whatever you you look at it, it is lower after eating than overnight fasting and I am wondering why. I was thinking maybe is was because I had a boiled egg for breakfast and not a carb-laden one????? Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 In a message dated 07/10/2006 09:48:39 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: norma; ranges for glucose here are 80-120, but they prefer to see it uner 100. I just checked my AM beofre eating/drinking anything it is 302 this morning, so it is still pretty bad. Add to tht the stress of being at the clinic when my labs were done a month ago, that 353 was spot on, and not a fluke which i was hioping for. OK, well at least you have a fair idea of what you are dealing with now and can get on with the business of rectifying the situation. Heaven-sent perhaps. I mean that you went for that trial of the drug and so found out what was going on for you. Someone I know came off her motorbike (in Berlin) recently and hurt her ribs. They took her to the hospital and checked her out and found the v. early stages of lunch cancer. They had been coughing for Germany for months and the stupid doctor was giving me antiBs. Similar heaven-sent concidence perhaps? I sincerely wish my blood sugars would be a little higher so I could get a script for Metformin and claw some health back. Think ahead to the symptoms you can now lose! Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 The norma; ranges for glucose here are 80-120, but they prefer to see it uner 100. I just checked my AM beofre eating/drinking anything it is 302 this morning, so it is still pretty bad. Add to tht the stress of being at the clinic when my labs were done a month ago, that 353 was spot on, and not a fluke which i was hioping for. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Are these the sticks you use to measure your urine when on the Atkins' diet? I have some of these. Can you explain to me again in what way it helps to use these re blood sugar and how to do it? Thanks. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Mo, What you eat would definitely have an effect on what your blood sugar level would be when you test it. If you eat something that is high in carbs or simple sugars it will raise your blood sugar a lot higher than if you eat protein and fiber. In particular fiber is a very important thing to eat a lot of if you have blood sugar problems. It slows does the rise of the blood sugar. Doctors and dieticians may tell you that it doesn't matter what you eat, they are fond of saying that a carb is a carb, and will raise your blood sugar the same regardless of what the food is. For instance pure sugar versus eating an apple. Their thinking on this shows they know nothing of how the body digests foods or nutrition. The apple has sugar in but it's a totally different form being a natural sugar, along with fiber, a small amount of fat and protein and vitamins that the apple naturally contains. The blood sugar will rise significantly faster if you eat refined sugar and also drop back down quickly, where the rise will be more gradual with the apple. The key is keep your blood sugar steady and not have the huge increases or decreases either. Also other things can effect your blood sugar including exercise and excitement (adrenalin). Linn > > > In a message dated 06/10/2006 22:09:13 GMT Daylight Time, > artisticgroomer@... writes: > > From what I have read, NO. It is high cortisol tht raises blood > sugar not > low levels such as this. > > Thanks Val for the clarification. That is the amount I am taking > now and I > just wondered. > Dr said the last test he did for blood sugar (a random one which is > oine > taken without fasting) actually came in at 5.5 which is lower than > the last > fasting one of 6.0, top of range is 6.1 but considered 5.5 some. So > I was told by > the very helpful woman on a Diabetes UK Helpline yesterday. > So whatever you you look at it, it is lower after eating than > overnight > fasting and I am wondering why. I was thinking maybe is was because > I had a > boiled egg for breakfast and not a carb-laden one????? > > Mo > > NOVA Counselling & Healing Services > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Val, Pick up some Ketostix also if you get a chance and check to make sure you don't have ketones when your blood sugar measures over 250. Linn > The norma; ranges for glucose here are 80-120, but they prefer to > see it > uner 100. I just checked my AM beofre eating/drinking anything it > is 302 > this morning, so it is still pretty bad. Add to tht the stress of > being > at the clinic when my labs were done a month ago, that 353 was spot > on, > and not a fluke which i was hioping for. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 You should be able to get them just about anywhere that sells diabetic supplies, any drugstore, or you might even try Target or Walmart. I think our Target store carries them, if not CVS or Walgreens for sure would. Or check online, you may get a better price that way. Linn > Where could I get Ketostix? > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 In a message dated 07/10/2006 19:22:38 GMT Daylight Time, linnmiller@... writes: Hi Linn This could explain why the pharmacies here in England were actually refusing to sell these sticks to people on the Atkins diet as they said the whole thing was dangerous. Yes, the sticks detect ketones in your urine. The Atkin diet diet produces ketones when you eliminate or greatly reduce carbs in your diet. Without carbs your body will use the fat stores to burn as fuel. That what causes the weight loss on this diet. Producing ketones in a person without diabetes is not a problem. It does become a problem though when a person has diabetes, where it can turn into ketoacidosis and cause damage to the organs or the body or worse. It's particularly bad for Type 1 diabetics as it can happen anytime their blood sugar rises or even if they get sick without high blood sugars. Viruses can cause ketones in a Type 1 and result in hospitalization very quickly. It becomes dangerous when the blood sugar rises. Normally anything over 250 would warrant checking for ketones. This might explain a little better: Ketoacidosis is a dangerous condition for diabetics, and the main element is ACID not ketones. The blood pH becomes dangerously acidic because of an extremely high blood SUGAR level (the diabetic has no insulin, or doesn't respond to insulin .... so blood sugar rises ... ketones are produced by the body to provide the fuel necessary for life, since the cells can't use the sugar). It's the high blood sugar, and the acid condition that is so dangerous. Ketones just happen to be a part of the picture, and are a RESULT of the condition, not the CAUSE. Diabetics can safely follow a ketogenic diet to lose fat weight ... but they must be closely monitored by their health care provider, and blood sugars need to be kept low, and stable. So if I use the sticks I should check to see if the numbers are above 250? Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Exercise will reduce your blood sugar, sometimes dramatically depending on what type of exercise you have done. Swimming for instance burns a ton of sugar. Trampolines also burn a lot. The only times we have come close to having an emergency with my daughter's blood sugar dropping too low has been at the pool. I always make sure to take her glucagon emergency kit with me to the pool. Exercise will also to continue to have that effect throughout the day after you've exercised. Adrenalin will also burn a lot of sugar and one should be careful to monitor the blood levels after adrenalin surges. Linn > > > In a message dated 07/10/2006 14:39:23 GMT Daylight Time, > linnmiller@... writes: > > Also other things can effect your blood sugar including exercise and > excitement (adrenalin). > > Thanks Linn. Do the above INCREASE blood sugar as I have been > exercising to > bring it down! > > thanks. > > Mo > > NOVA Counselling & Healing Services > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 That's part of the problem with how they look at things. The apple is tremendously better for your body nutrionally and for your blood sugar. I'm very familiar with the glycemic index and although it can be a useful tool, the implication that states an apple is not much better than pure processed sugar is just plain crap. Your body can utilize everything from the apple, there is absolutely no benefit whatsoever from eating processed sugar. It is a totally useless, in fact detrimental thing to put in your body. It's comparable to how people say on the thyroid forums that docs are looking at black marks on a piece of paper. The glycemic index is a tool, not the total picture. Diabetes is a lot like thyroid in that doctors and the medical establishment, including the ADA and most diabetes organizations know little to nothing about nutrition and with diabetes, nutrition is the major factor. Type 2 diabetes was unheard of until sugar processing hit the scene. Diabetes is BIG business and so is the food industry, they both feed off of each other. All the medical establishment is interested in doing is treating what they see as a chronic disease, they have no vested interest in telling you how to cure it. Type 2 diabetes is usually reversible if found early enough. Linn > That is a good point you make Linn, however, the apple is not much > better in > glycemic index than sucrose or fructose, so some fruits and juices are > almost as bad for the blood sugar as refined sugar. There are several > on-line lists of foods and the glycemic index for those foods > (glycemic > index refers to how much the blood sugar is raised upon eating the > item). > www.diabetesnet.com/diabetes_food_diet/glycemic_index.php > > -------Original Message------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Having a blood sugar problem myself and using metaformin, I would never eat refined sugar OR an apple or high glycemic indexed fruit, on an empty stomach. That is all my point is in comparing glycemic index of the two. I am very familar with diabetes and nutrition as well, having worked at diabetic summer camp with children and working on making sure they do not get low during the increased activities involved in summer camp. Swimming and tennis often put the kids in crisis and the immediate treatment was glucose if they were not up to drinking orange juice or eating an apple or cookie, all of which have the ability to quickly increase blood sugar. The tube of gel used is just glucose/dextrose (sugar). So the glycemic index works both ways. I do not want to consume high glycemic index foods, natural or refined, if I am working to keep my blood sugar down. But if I am too low, I sure do want something to act quickly, like fruit or sugar. -- Re: HC Efftects That's part of the problem with how they look at things. The apple is tremendously better for your body nutrionally and for your blood sugar. I'm very familiar with the glycemic index and although it can be a useful tool, the implication that states an apple is not much better than pure processed sugar is just plain crap. Your body can utilize everything from the apple, there is absolutely no benefit whatsoever from eating processed sugar. It is a totally useless, in fact detrimental thing to put in your body. It's comparable to how people say on the thyroid forums that docs are looking at black marks on a piece of paper. The glycemic index is a tool, not the total picture. Diabetes is a lot like thyroid in that doctors and the medical establishment, including the ADA and most diabetes organizations know little to nothing about nutrition and with diabetes, nutrition is the major factor. Type 2 diabetes was unheard of until sugar processing hit the scene. Diabetes is BIG business and so is the food industry, they both feed off of each other. All the medical establishment is interested in doing is treating what they see as a chronic disease, they have no vested interest in telling you how to cure it. Type 2 diabetes is usually reversible if found early enough. Linn > That is a good point you make Linn, however, the apple is not much > better in > glycemic index than sucrose or fructose, so some fruits and juices are > almost as bad for the blood sugar as refined sugar. There are several > on-line lists of foods and the glycemic index for those foods > (glycemic > index refers to how much the blood sugar is raised upon eating the > item). > www.diabetesnet.com/diabetes_food_diet/glycemic_index.php > > -------Original Message------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 P.S. My post was not to give the total picture as you mention. But to bring up the 'tool' of glycemic index. -- Re: HC Efftects That's part of the problem with how they look at things. The apple is tremendously better for your body nutrionally and for your blood sugar. I'm very familiar with the glycemic index and although it can be a useful tool, the implication that states an apple is not much better than pure processed sugar is just plain crap. Your body can utilize everything from the apple, there is absolutely no benefit whatsoever from eating processed sugar. It is a totally useless, in fact detrimental thing to put in your body. It's comparable to how people say on the thyroid forums that docs are looking at black marks on a piece of paper. The glycemic index is a tool, not the total picture. Diabetes is a lot like thyroid in that doctors and the medical establishment, including the ADA and most diabetes organizations know little to nothing about nutrition and with diabetes, nutrition is the major factor. Type 2 diabetes was unheard of until sugar processing hit the scene. Diabetes is BIG business and so is the food industry, they both feed off of each other. All the medical establishment is interested in doing is treating what they see as a chronic disease, they have no vested interest in telling you how to cure it. Type 2 diabetes is usually reversible if found early enough. Linn > That is a good point you make Linn, however, the apple is not much > better in > glycemic index than sucrose or fructose, so some fruits and juices are > almost as bad for the blood sugar as refined sugar. There are several > on-line lists of foods and the glycemic index for those foods > (glycemic > index refers to how much the blood sugar is raised upon eating the > item). > www.diabetesnet.com/diabetes_food_diet/glycemic_index.php > > -------Original Message------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Mo, Yes, the sticks detect ketones in your urine. The Atkin diet diet produces ketones when you eliminate or greatly reduce carbs in your diet. Without carbs your body will use the fat stores to burn as fuel. That what causes the weight loss on this diet. Producing ketones in a person without diabetes is not a problem. It does become a problem though when a person has diabetes, where it can turn into ketoacidosis and cause damage to the organs or the body or worse. It's particularly bad for Type 1 diabetics as it can happen anytime their blood sugar rises or even if they get sick without high blood sugars. Viruses can cause ketones in a Type 1 and result in hospitalization very quickly. It becomes dangerous when the blood sugar rises. Normally anything over 250 would warrant checking for ketones. This might explain a little better: Ketoacidosis is a dangerous condition for diabetics, and the main element is ACID not ketones. The blood pH becomes dangerously acidic because of an extremely high blood SUGAR level (the diabetic has no insulin, or doesn't respond to insulin .... so blood sugar rises ... ketones are produced by the body to provide the fuel necessary for life, since the cells can't use the sugar). It's the high blood sugar, and the acid condition that is so dangerous. Ketones just happen to be a part of the picture, and are a RESULT of the condition, not the CAUSE. Diabetics can safely follow a ketogenic diet to lose fat weight ... but they must be closely monitored by their health care provider, and blood sugars need to be kept low, and stable. Linn > Are these the sticks you use to measure your urine when on the > Atkins' diet? > I have some of these. > Can you explain to me again in what way it helps to use these re > blood sugar > and how to do it? > Thanks. > > Mo > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Are you saying that ketosis in a person without diabetes, is safe? For how long? -- Re: HC Efftects Mo, Yes, the sticks detect ketones in your urine. The Atkin diet diet produces ketones when you eliminate or greatly reduce carbs in your diet. Without carbs your body will use the fat stores to burn as fuel. That what causes the weight loss on this diet. Producing ketones in a person without diabetes is not a problem. It does become a problem though when a person has diabetes, where it can turn into ketoacidosis and cause damage to the organs or the body or worse. It's particularly bad for Type 1 diabetics as it can happen anytime their blood sugar rises or even if they get sick without high blood sugars. Viruses can cause ketones in a Type 1 and result in hospitalization very quickly. It becomes dangerous when the blood sugar rises. Normally anything over 250 would warrant checking for ketones. This might explain a little better: Ketoacidosis is a dangerous condition for diabetics, and the main element is ACID not ketones. The blood pH becomes dangerously acidic because of an extremely high blood SUGAR level (the diabetic has no insulin, or doesn't respond to insulin .... so blood sugar rises ... ketones are produced by the body to provide the fuel necessary for life, since the cells can't use the sugar). It's the high blood sugar, and the acid condition that is so dangerous. Ketones just happen to be a part of the picture, and are a RESULT of the condition, not the CAUSE. Diabetics can safely follow a ketogenic diet to lose fat weight ... but they must be closely monitored by their health care provider, and blood sugars need to be kept low, and stable. Linn > Are these the sticks you use to measure your urine when on the > Atkins' diet? > I have some of these. > Can you explain to me again in what way it helps to use these re > blood sugar > and how to do it? > Thanks. > > Mo > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Absolutely, we always have a source of quick acting sugar at home and carried with us 24/7 for my daughter. We've had several instances where her blood sugar dropped under 30 and have had to quickly raise it. Although I wouldn't use an apple for a quick acting source of sugar, I'd want something with more than double the GI for that. Apple juice or orange juice, minus the fiber to slow down absorption. We do keep glucose tabs on hand but those aren't exactly easy to get a kid to take, so we use Skittles, especially on the go, it's easier to carry with us. Easy to count, 1 Skittle is 1 carb. Linn On Oct 7, 2006, at 11:23 AM, C. Mannelli, Ed.D. wrote: > Having a blood sugar problem myself and using metaformin, I would > never eat > refined sugar OR an apple or high glycemic indexed fruit, on an empty > stomach. That is all my point is in comparing glycemic index of the > two. I > am very familar with diabetes and nutrition as well, having worked at > diabetic summer camp with children and working on making sure they > do not > get low during the increased activities involved in summer camp. > Swimming > and tennis often put the kids in crisis and the immediate treatment > was > glucose if they were not up to drinking orange juice or eating an > apple or > cookie, all of which have the ability to quickly increase blood > sugar. The > tube of gel used is just glucose/dextrose (sugar). So the glycemic > index > works both ways. I do not want to consume high glycemic index foods, > natural or refined, if I am working to keep my blood sugar down. > But if I > am too low, I sure do want something to act quickly, like fruit or > sugar. > > -------Original Message------- > >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Theoretically that would be true as there are large numbers of people who have Type 2 diabetes and do not know they are diabetic. It's not an acute onset like Type 1 and also the symptoms aren't as drastic or noticeable, besides the fact that many of the symptoms could be attributed to other things, so it's not uncommon at all for people to find out like Val did. You can have Type 2 for a long time, sometimes many years, before it finally gets diagnosed. Not sure how it works in England, but here in the states if you're an insulin dependent diabetic you can walk into any pharmacy in an emergency situation and get insulin or supplies without a prescription. Linn > > In a message dated 07/10/2006 19:22:38 GMT Daylight Time, > linnmiller@... writes: > > Hi Linn > This could explain why the pharmacies here in England were actually > refusing > to sell these sticks to people on the Atkins diet as they said the > whole > thing was dangerous. > > >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 >>but here in the states if you're an insulin dependent diabetic you can walk into any pharmacy in an emergency situation and get insulin or supplies without a prescription.<< This is good to know! I was told yesterday that most Type 2 Diabetics end up on Insulin sooner or later... -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Well, I wouldnt say it, but that seems to be the general thinking of anyone who supports the Atkins type of diets. Actually I've read Atkins books and they really only advocate the no carbs part of the diet for a short period of time. Then carbs are added, but only good carbs from whole foods. I do know that your body is perfectly capable of functioning without carbs period as long as you get protein and the proper fats and I've read studies that have been done on people who have eaten like this for over a year without ill effects. However I don't think it's that healthy to do. I am of the belief that you could go your entire life without adding processed carbs or sugar and you'd be the healthier for it. But I think it's vitally important to have veggies and fruits in one's diet, for the vitamins, minerals, enzymes and fiber. What's really interesting though is that they have been doing trials with the Atkins diet with Type 2 diabetics with very good results, but if I remember correctly they only used the protein and fats only part of the diet to get their blood sugars under control, then added in the good carbs. I think the main reason that Atkins work so well for a lot of people is that their diets are usually bad to begin with, so when they cut out all the garbage and don't put any other carbs in, there's no other choice for the body except to burn the fat as fuel. Now obviously if you've been eating really bad and then you cut out the garbage, you're bound to feel better, especially while taking off the weight. My concerns would be if one continued long term with only the high protein and fat part of the diet, because usually they're still eating bad fats along with the high protein. I think you would end up having acidic problems and calcium buffering problems which is going to lead to osteoporosis and dental problems, also kidney and adrenal problems from trying to regulate the PH. Not to mention digestive problems if one isn't eating good protein and I'd hate to imagine what kind of problems could result in the long run from all the antibiotics and hormones one would be ingesting from all that meat. I think a very real problem that exists with these diets is that people don't actually read the books, they just look up a little bit of info or hear about and think I can lose weight and eat all the protein and fat I want and then they do it. I haven't read any of their books recently but they used to only advocate the induction part of the diet for short term, if I remember correctly about 6 - 8 weeks. Of course I also remember reading that Atkins advocates for a very small minority that the diet doesn't work for to eliminate the protein and only eat fat for a very short time in order to eat the body burning the fat. Main problem was the type of fat they recommended, mayonaise was recommended. At that point I couldn't give the diet much merit as anyone who recommends commercial mayo is way off base in my book. There are two things I won't put in my body under any circumstances and that mayonaise or margarine. I'd recommend to anyone that is adamant about following this diet to not only check their ketones, but to monitor their blood sugar at the same time. My daughter went into DKA after coming down with a virus last winter. It is very serious and can be very difficult to treat. So no, I don't think ketones even in a non-diabetic person are safe. Linn > Are you saying that ketosis in a person without diabetes, is safe? > For how > long? > > -- Re: HC Efftects > > Mo, > > Yes, the sticks detect ketones in your urine. The Atkin diet diet > produces ketones when you eliminate or greatly reduce carbs in your > diet. Without carbs your body will use the fat stores to burn as > fuel. That what causes the weight loss on this diet. Producing > ketones in a person without diabetes is not a problem. It does > become a problem though when a person has diabetes, where it can turn > into ketoacidosis and cause damage to the organs or the body or > worse. It's particularly bad for Type 1 diabetics as it can happen > anytime their blood sugar rises or even if they get sick without high > blood sugars. Viruses can cause ketones in a Type 1 and result in > hospitalization very quickly. It becomes dangerous when the blood > sugar rises. Normally anything over 250 would warrant checking for > ketones. This might explain a little better: > > Ketoacidosis is a dangerous condition for diabetics, and the main > element is ACID not ketones. The blood pH becomes dangerously acidic > because of an extremely high blood SUGAR level (the diabetic has no > insulin, or doesn't respond to insulin .... so blood sugar rises ... > ketones are produced by the body to provide the fuel necessary for > life, since the cells can't use the sugar). It's the high blood > sugar, and the acid condition that is so dangerous. Ketones just > happen to be a part of the picture, and are a RESULT of the > condition, not the CAUSE. Diabetics can safely follow a ketogenic > diet to lose fat weight ... but they must be closely monitored by > their health care provider, and blood sugars need to be kept low, and > stable. > > Linn > > > > > Are these the sticks you use to measure your urine when on the > > Atkins' diet? > > I have some of these. > > Can you explain to me again in what way it helps to use these re > > blood sugar > > and how to do it? > > Thanks. > > > > Mo > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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