Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 In a message dated 06/24/2001 8:47:38 PM Central Daylight Time, woodduckflds@... writes: > I see, Dave, that you have chosen to ignore my post about meds. daves siggy says he is on gloucophage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 lizzbeth97@... wrote: > > In a message dated 06/24/2001 1:56:35 PM Central Daylight Time, > judyj@... writes: > > > they said there isn't any one diet that is > > right or wrong. > > > > shes right, > is there anyone here who has no trouble eatting lots of carbs? > lizz See, that's where things are out of focus here. It isn't really a matter of " eating lots of carbs " , it's eating in a WOE that works for you that you are comfortable with. I do not do a high carb diet, but I don't do a low carb either, and I don't shoot for a certain number, I just eat sensibly, so I don't gain weight, and my numbers are where I want them to be. HbA1c 5.7 -- Dave - 9:21:44 PM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: You will never be younger than you are today.. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 whimsy2@... wrote: > > In a message dated 01-06-24 15:00:24 EDT, you write: > > << > Score another one for the insensitive low-carb " my way or the highway " > zealots. > > Sometimes I think they're some sort of religious sect. > >> > C'm on, Dave...I've mellowed out, haven't I? (smile) Vicki Errr.. nope.. " common sense? " -- Dave - 9:27:44 PM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: If little else, the brain is an educational toy. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 whimsy2@... wrote: > > In a message dated 01-06-24 14:29:55 EDT, you write: > > << > Arent all diabetics, type one or type 2 supposed to be on a low carb diet?? > By low carb I mean 45-60 grams per meal > that's the limitations my dietitian told me. > > > >> > Well, Lizz, common sense would lead one to believe that but unfortunately > many docs consider lowcarbing to be radical or just plain don't know about > it. The ADA considers it dangerous. But those of us who've found success > over the longterm know better. Guess you were lucky to have a dietitian who > promoted it. Vicki Ok, so here's a great example of low carb zealotry in action.. " Common sense would lead one to believe " .. Vicki, I have common sense, and I'll match my HbA1c with you any day of the week. -- Dave - 9:27:44 PM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: If little else, the brain is an educational toy. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 lizzbeth97@... wrote: > > In a message dated 06/24/2001 1:52:24 PM Central Daylight Time, > RainbowFarm@... writes: > > > under 60 carbs per day, > > wow! just out of curiosity, what is a daily menue like with under 60 carbs a > day???? > > i tottaly understand that what i eat may affect my BG in a way that doesnt > affect you, every ones body is different, and that is what makes this HORRID > disease so hard to controll. > heck, what i eat today, doesnt affect me the same way as it would tomorrow. > (does this happen to anyone here?) > so, yes, i tottaly understand... i just didnot know a diabetic could get away > with eatting tons of carbs without taking tons of insulin. > like, i have a friend, who eats what she wants when she wants, but also takes > over 100 units of insulin a day > lizz I would be concerned about lots of insulin. Some need to take it because there just isn't any other way to reduce their BS, but to take it to cover any food that they want to eat doesn't seem right to me.. IMHO! My maximum insulin useage is no more than 25 units a day, and many days not over 15. BTW, I opted for insulin as I get superior control with it. -- Dave - 9:27:44 PM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: If little else, the brain is an educational toy. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 lizzbeth97@... wrote: > > In a message dated 06/24/2001 2:33:18 PM Central Daylight Time, > fencible@... writes: > > > Hell no! > > > > so dave, tell me why, make me understand, because i do not. > lizz There have been so many posts, and you didn't quote anything so I'm not sure what I was replying to. I'm going to assume that I was responding to a remark that everyone should low carb or similar as the only way to control BS. Ok, when I was diagnosed, I was put on an 1800 cal exchange diet, and glucophage. I did the diet by the book, lost 15-20 lbs, and it was not carb restrictive. It *was* quantity restrictive though. IMHO, that is the *most* important part of eating, no matter which WOE is chosen, eating the proper quantities. I see many here say " I had cereal for breakfast and it spiked me to X.. " Unfortunately, very few new diabetics read labels well, and that is very important. You not only have to know the carb content, you have to know the serving size. FI, most cereal is 3/4 cup for serving size. Surprisingly, Kelloggs Bran Buds which I bought because I thought I could use the fiber has 1/3 cup as a serving size.. Can you picture 1/3 cup? You also have to measure the milk. I eat anything and everything. I don't eat large quantities though. I think that is the key, and the fact that I don't have an overweight problem. Everyone is different. If you were to look at the archives, you will see that I've said many, many times that I moderate carbs. That doesn't mean that I eat moderate carbs, or low carbs, but I'm damn sure of everything that goes in my mouth, and it works for me. -- Dave - 9:30:44 PM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: The best substitute for experience is being sixteen. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 I see, Dave, that you have chosen to ignore my post about meds. <<But Dave you are taking meds to help with the control. I am only saying if I don't want to take medicines then this is what I have to do. I don't want to fight with you I am just saying that in order not to take insulin or Glucophage I have to not eat carbs much. That is my choice. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 wrote: > > But Dave you are taking meds to help with the control. I am only saying if I > don't want to take medicines then this is what I have to do. I don't want to > fight with you I am just saying that in order not to take insulin or > Glucophage I have to not eat carbs much. That is my choice. > Ok, yep, that I understand, and truthfully, if you get your weight down to normal, and eat responsibly, you may be one of the lucky ones that can manage without any medication. Age is helpful.. being younger. I'm not, I'm 62. Unfortunately, for some, this disease will progress. I managed for a while with D & E, but then graduated to glucophage. I've now added insulin to control and I am not eating any differently, if anything, I eat much less than ever before. You may be lucky and never need meds, but then again you may. Another thing is quality of life, IMHO. I would not like a life without women, sex, and good food (within limits). I never was much of a drinker anyway. Doing it my way things are quite liveable. I've talked about my Mom who will be 90 July 4th before. She's been a type 2 diabetic for a long time. She takes one of the " forbidden " pills every day (Glipizide), and eats responsibly, but doesn't restrict what she eats. Older people eat less anyway. She has never monitored her BS, doesn't even own a monitor. Can you see me telling her that she should low carb, give up all the stuff she loves now?? She's doing just fine, no complications whatsoever. YMMV. -- Dave - 9:39:44 PM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: Some things have got to be believed to be seen. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 Dave- please ignore my last post. I apologise. Your Mom should eat whatever the heck she wants! My Dad just died of EC ! wrote: > > But Dave you are taking meds to help with the control. I am only saying if I > don't want to take medicines then this is what I have to do. I don't want to > fight with you I am just saying that in order not to take insulin or > Glucophage I have to not eat carbs much. That is my choice. > Ok, yep, that I understand, and truthfully, if you get your weight down to normal, and eat responsibly, you may be one of the lucky ones that can manage without any medication. Age is helpful.. being younger. I'm not, I'm 62. Unfortunately, for some, this disease will progress. I managed for a while with D & E, but then graduated to glucophage. I've now added insulin to control and I am not eating any differently, if anything, I eat much less than ever before. You may be lucky and never need meds, but then again you may. Another thing is quality of life, IMHO. I would not like a life without women, sex, and good food (within limits). I never was much of a drinker anyway. Doing it my way things are quite liveable. I've talked about my Mom who will be 90 July 4th before. She's been a type 2 diabetic for a long time. She takes one of the " forbidden " pills every day (Glipizide), and eats responsibly, but doesn't restrict what she eats. Older people eat less anyway. She has never monitored her BS, doesn't even own a monitor. Can you see me telling her that she should low carb, give up all the stuff she loves now?? She's doing just fine, no complications whatsoever. YMMV. -- Dave - 9:39:44 PM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: Some things have got to be believed to be seen. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 Some of us (me) have more than diabetes to worry about. For gout I'm suppose to limit protein. Experimenting, I've learned I sleep better with no caffeine after 7 PM. Each person needs to find out what works for them. I must be doing something right, since the last A1C was 6.0 and also I have not had a gout flare up. I've only been on a CPAP for starting 3 weeks tomorrow night. I've sent Terri some private email with information I have learned so far about Sleep Apnea so she can discuss it with her doctor. Terri and I have been e-mail friends since the beginning of this list. She used to be the moderator but she gave that up the same time I unsubscribed. Since then I did resubscribe, and have used the inbox assistant rules to filter out what I don't want to read. If I ever feel like I need to unsubscribe, I'll just take a break by setting yahoogroups up to web only instead of sending the email messages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 wrote: > > I see, Dave, that you have chosen to ignore my post about meds. > > <<But Dave you are taking meds to help with the control. I am only saying if > I > don't want to take medicines then this is what I have to do. I don't want to > fight with you I am just saying that in order not to take insulin or > Glucophage I have to not eat carbs much. That is my choice. Nope, I responded to it. I don't ignore posts. -- Dave - 10:00:45 PM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: I've learned.... That money doesn't buy class. --Andy Rooney- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 lizzbeth97@... wrote: > > In a message dated 06/24/2001 8:34:06 PM Central Daylight Time, > fencible@... writes: > > > Errr.. nope.. " common sense? " > > > > Ya, it IS common sense, carbs turn into sugar, scientifically proven. And > common sense would tell most people, including me, that it also does it in a > diabetics body! > Dave, can I ask you why your so rude? > Having a bad day or something? > Lizz No problem asking me that.. And I don't have bad days, I'm retired and loving it. However, when someone infers that I don't possess common sense, then yes, I will respond appropriately. The post was not that " common sense would tell you that carbs turn into sugar " , it was that common sense would tell you to low carb. I don't low carb, so I don't possess common sense?? The game is a little more intense than " carbs turn into sugar, scientifically proven " .. There are all kinds of carbs, and complex carbs, and carbs that rate a different glycemic indexing. Hey, just about everything you eat will eventually turn into a carb, but over different time periods. I said nothing rude, I responded to a what I felt was a rude comment, that's all. -- Dave - 10:03:45 PM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: I've learned.... That the Lord didn't do it all in one day. What makes me think I can? --Andy Rooney- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 lizzbeth97@... wrote: > > In a message dated 06/24/2001 8:43:54 PM Central Daylight Time, > fencible@... writes: > > > Everyone is different. If you were to look at the archives, you will see > > that I've said many, many times that I moderate carbs. That doesn't mean > > that I eat moderate carbs, or low carbs, but I'm damn sure of everything > > that goes in my mouth, and it works for me. > > > > -- > > > > ahhhh, ok, i had thought you were just eatting a zillion carbs aday > ya, as of right now, i prolly eat similar to you, BUT my body says to stop. > i eat about 60 carbs a meal, and dont really balance protien too much. i > also snack, and if i want a candy bar, or cake, i eat it, > i was very early diagnosed, (i actually self diagnosed, then went to doc to > prove it) so im early in the game, if i eat what i want and when i want to, i > go up to about 170, rarely over 200. > but if i keep doing this, i will one day find myself in a coma. > anyway, i went off track........ Dave, i get what you mean now. > thanks > lizz Ok, good, it's hard to convey with typed words proper meaning at times. I don't eat 60 carbs a meal, and that's probably something you should look at if you're doing it 3 times a day. You are lucky to have been diagnosed early. I wasn't diagnosed until I wanted to get some insurance and they laughed at me after the blood test. I had been having yearly physicals, and blood tests, but I can always (even now) pass a fasting blood test, and that's all they did. Can't beat an HbA1c however. Good luck, find a plan that works for you. -- Dave - 10:09:45 PM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: Avoid temporary variables and strange women. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 In a message dated 06/25/2001 7:58:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lizzbeth97@... writes: > diagnosis, my HbA1c was 5.0-5.5 > but all my fastings are high (140's) and durring the day isnt much better. > try explaining that one! > lizz > Because the a1c is only an average over the last few weeks, dr's used to think it was over a 3-4 month period, but my dr says its now about 4-6 weeks average. She orders my a1c every month now. The fasting is what your bs is right now. My last a1c was 6.1, but the fbs was 170, because I can't take my insulin til I get my blood drawn for the a1c first. But the fbs and the a1c are sometimes very different, and the a1c is not indicative of how your bs is really running, just like now dr's know the 1 and 2 hr pp are more indicative of diabetes than the fbs because this is what usually shows up first early in diabetes. carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 In a message dated 6/24/01 11:50:06 PM Central Daylight Time, whimsy2@... writes: << << disease so hard to controll. heck, what i eat today, doesnt affect me the same way as it would tomorrow. (does this happen to anyone here?) >> Yes Lizz, that happens to me too. It also depends on the time of day. Think of it as a challenge (smile) Vicki >> See this means that diabetics will never be bored......and neither will this list ressy keeping duct tape on mouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 In a message dated 6/25/01 9:25:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fencible@... writes: << Davors Daily Aphorism: I hear what you're saying but I just don't care. >> Sometimes Dave's quotes are just so appropriate ROFLMAO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 DaveO wrote: > > whimsy2@... wrote: > > > > In a message dated 01-06-24 21:34:01 EDT, you write: > > > > << > > Errr.. nope.. " common sense? " >> > > > > By " common sense " I meant that it's known fact that carbs turn into glucose; > > glucose raises BGs. No argument there, is there? Vicki > > > Not here, not on this list anyway. I'll guarantee you though that there > are many diabetics out there in non-computer land that don't have a clue > about what carbs do. > > Here, just take this pill and cut back on your sugar... Geesh. > > What you alude to as common sense is really ignorance or knowledge, when > it applies to CARBOHYDRATES..... -- Dave - 9:52:14 AM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: Fact is solidified opinion -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Which article are you referring to? Best Regards, Ratliff bobratliff@... ICQ 1495914 AIM mtncurr22 Msn Msgr. Ratliff SE Tenn. Get Paltalk at www.paltalk.com and look for TennRascal2001. Text and great voice chat. See you there. 2 must have utilities: www.copernic.com and www.ghisler.com =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= <*> perceptions, assumptions, he said-she said, misunderstanding, slander, debate, defense, uncalled for, references, belief, prove reality... - the true nature of reality is wordless and not proven until experienced <*> Re: Spike Lizz, I found my one hour reading told me what the meal did to my sugars, the 2 hour reading told me how wwell I was dealing with it. Sam Website for Diabetes International: http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int Post message: diabetes_int Subscribe: diabetes_int-subscribe Unsubscribe: diabetes_int-unsubscribe List owner: diabetes_int-owner / http://groups.yahoo.com/group/diabetes_int or try: http://www.yahoo.com > Join A Group > diabetes_int > Join This Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Lizz, for adults, (1) spikes of 200 or more are diagonsed as diabetic regardless of one's fasting blood sugar levels, and (2) spikes over 140 are diagnosed as impaired glucose tolerance (not as " normal " ), again regardless of fasting levels. I have not seen any information regarding different diagnostic guidelines for children or discussing whether or not children are more prone to spikes, but it's an interesting question. When I have some time, I'll check Medline, etc. to see if I can find any specific information for you. Tom the Actuary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 I suspect Carol and E. are talking about the same test. It's description by doctors can be confusing. While HbA1c is affected by blood sugar levels over about 3 months, and is sometimes called a 3 month average, it is, in fact, much more heavily by blood sugars in the recent weeks before the test than by levels two or three months ago. So some consider it to be more of a month or 1 1/2 month average. Tom the Actuary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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