Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 In a message dated 06/22/2001 10:39:34 AM Central Daylight Time, Sheridan2036@... writes: > 186 one hour after the bread try testing your sugar 2 hours after eatting.... FYI in a normal non diabetic, their sugar can go as high as 180 after eatting. hugs. lizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Winifred, Your body is unable to handle bread, this is how we find out what we can eat, no matter what type diet you're doing, if any. Just keep testing and testing. Many Endo's say the 1 hr is not important, but I'm reading on other lists that studies are being done on spikes, and they are indeed dangerous. So to me, I would avoid bread and keep bs low all the time, well as much as possible, :-) You'll need to do this with other foods too if you spike like you did. A normal spike for a non diabetic is about 120 or less at 1 hr pp, then a bout 90 or so 2 hr pp, after a very heavy carby meal, I've been testing my SO , and my Son on this, they aren't diabetic and their in great health. carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Winifred, You have confirmed what I wrote, starches raise blood sugars all out of reason. I gave up starches in any amount. They are composed of glucose molecules and digest quickly to blood sugar, and must be restricted. I have half a slice of oven dried whole wheat bread with my breakfast eggs, It is really crunchy and goes a long ways. I have half a potato with dinner meat and vegs and may not eat it all. I eat my noon salad over several hours. I fil in with fruit or melon as needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 In a message dated 06/22/2001 4:51:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lizzbeth97@... writes: > FYI in a normal non diabetic, their sugar can go as high as 180 after > eatting. > hugs. > lizz > then they better go see a dr. carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 > For the last two weeks I have been having 2 slices of lite bread for > breakfast. Today I decided to test myself one hour after eating the bread. > I went from 87 this morning upon waking up to 186 one hour after the bread. > Is this normal? Should I be worried? Is 186 too high after eating? I am > controlling my sugar with diet and exercise and I heard that high spikes are > not good! Can anyone give me advice? **Winifred, this would be much too high a spike for my control. I try to stay as close to 100 as possible with post prandial spikes less than 126. You might try one piece of toast and test at 1 hour and 2 hours. I don't eat carbs in the morning at all. JMHO, Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Lizz, please check your sources. I believe this is really incorrect information. Everything I have read says that non-diabetics stay in normal range. Barb > > 186 one hour after the bread > > try testing your sugar 2 hours after eatting.... > FYI in a normal non diabetic, their sugar can go as high as 180 after eatting. > hugs. > lizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 I didn't know that. I tested my very thin mom after eating and she was at 86. <<try testing your sugar 2 hours after eatting.... FYI in a normal non diabetic, their sugar can go as high as 180 after eatting. hugs. lizz>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 FYI, spikes of 180 are not considered " normal. " Regardless of ones fasting blood sugar level, spikes over 140 are classified as " impaired glucose tolerance " (and many or most persons with such spikes are on their way to becoming type 2 diabetes). Spikes of 200 or more are considered diabetic, again regardless of one's fasting blood sugar readings. Tom the Actuary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Vicki- what do you mean by this. Do type 1's spike higher. I thought the insulin took care of that. Sorry if this is a dumb question. <<I also want to point out that that 140 postprandial spike business only applies to type 2s...type 1s would find this impossible to maintain. Vicki >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 I have the same problem with bread - esp in the morning! I did just buy some low carb bread from Synergy and it tasted pretty good. I was 119 at 11 am- ate 2 slices- tested 1 hr later and was up to 145. Then back down. So that is a 25 pt spike. I think I could have one slice in the morning with eggs and bacon and maybe get away with it. Right now I am happy if I don't spike much over 140. I am not on meds so I am trying to do my best with diet instead. > > **Winifred, this would be much too high a spike for my control. I try to > stay as close to 100 as possible with post prandial spikes less than 126. > You might try one piece of toast and test at 1 hour and 2 hours. I don't > eat carbs in the morning at all. > > JMHO, > Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 In a message dated 6/22/2001 10:49:37 PM Central Daylight Time, woodduckflds@... writes: > Lizz, please check your sources. I believe this is really incorrect > information. Everything I have read says that non-diabetics stay in normal > range. > > im sorry, but this is what MY doctor told me. lizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 In a message dated 6/23/2001 12:22:54 PM Central Daylight Time, resmith315@... writes: > Really?? I specifically asked my endo how high a non diabetic would go > after > eating a meal of candy bars, cotton candy and soda. He stated that a non > diabetics glucose would never be over 140 no matter what they > ate....hmmm.... > ressy > well, i guess not all docs have the same info huh? lizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 In a message dated 6/24/01 12:00:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lizzbeth97@... writes: << Really?? I specifically asked my endo how high a non diabetic would go > after > eating a meal of candy bars, cotton candy and soda. He stated that a non > diabetics glucose would never be over 140 no matter what they > ate....hmmm.... > ressy >> This is what I learned in my diabetes class as well. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 In a message dated 6/24/01 12:00:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lizzbeth97@... writes: << > Lizz, please check your sources. I believe this is really incorrect > information. Everything I have read says that non-diabetics stay in normal > range. > > im sorry, but this is what MY doctor told me. >> Lizz i understand its what YOUR dr told you, but honestly not all dr's are right.... Ask him for his source.... And if he believes that, perhaps you need a new dr. Also go do some searches and reading online. My dr told me to eat 1500 cal ADA diet, and i gained 27 lbs in 6 weeks and my bs were 170 - 200 she said that i'd never be able to be controled by diet, and put me on glucophage I went off the glucophage in May cuz i AM controlled by diet, just not the ADA crapola, i'm doing low carb and doing fine. So Dr's don't know everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 In a message dated 01-06-24 12:01:02 EDT, you write: << im sorry, but this is what MY doctor told me. >> No need to apologize, Lizz...but sometimes doctors are misinformed too. Look at all of 'em who say lowcarbing is dangerous to your health (smile)...Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 In a message dated 6/24/2001 1:11:42 PM Central Daylight Time, woodduckflds@... writes: > Lizz- I did not send this post. > > > I was just saying that my doc told me a normal non diabetic can go up to 180, and its perfectly normal. Others seem to disagree. ialso posted a question about my children spiking 200 and more, that noone has responded to. IM quite disappointed that everyone can post to tell me how wrong me and my doctor are, but noone can give me their opinion on something so important to me. Lizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 In a message dated 6/24/2001 1:23:10 PM Central Daylight Time, teri@... writes: > this IS essentially a low carb list. > Arent all diabetics, type one or type 2 supposed to be on a low carb diet?? By low carb I mean 45-60 grams per meal that's the limitations my dietitian told me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 In a message dated 6/24/2001 1:11:42 PM Central Daylight Time, woodduckflds@... writes: > Lizz- I did not send this post. > > > oh, ididnt read it right the first time/..... i thought you said i did not SEE this post. im sorry, but either way, i dont know who sent the post, i was just responding to it. im still new here, and dont know anyone yet. lizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 > teri@... writes: > > > > this IS essentially a low carb Teri, why so upset? Aren't you bveing as intolerant of the LC'ers as you claim LC'ers are of you, or so you claim. We can post how things work for us, doesn't mean we're saying hey everyone do it this way, of course it should go without saying, YMMV, JMHO, etc, we should be able to post what we want without one feeling stomped on, go ahead and post what you do, like, feel, we as a group will accept you as you are. Just as you non LC'ers can post what works for you and just about your feelings, etc, so can we, because if we can't you're doing the very same thing you accuse one of the listees of, its your way or not at all, we aren't doing that, why do I have to keep posting this? Isn't it common knowledge that when one posts that of course its his or her opinion and they aren't telling everyone to do it their way, unless of course they say that, but as a rule most of us just want to talk. carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 lizzbeth97@... wrote: > > In a message dated 6/23/2001 12:22:54 PM Central Daylight Time, > resmith315@... writes: > > > Really?? I specifically asked my endo how high a non diabetic would go > > after > > eating a meal of candy bars, cotton candy and soda. He stated that a non > > diabetics glucose would never be over 140 no matter what they > > ate....hmmm.... > > ressy > > > > well, i guess not all docs have the same info huh? > lizz Not all docs know beans about diabetic treatment.. WASHINGTON, June 6 /U.S. Newswire/ -- In a recent national survey of physicians, more than 90 percent of the country's primary care doctors could not correctly name the top three tests that a person with diabetes should have on a regular basis -- tests that could save their lives, experts say. More than 90 percent of American's with diabetes receive their medical care from primary care doctors, rather than diabetes specialists. -- Dave - 1:14:48 PM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: I try to make everyone's day a little more surreal. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 Lizz- I did not send this post. ---------- From: lizzbeth97@... To: diabetes_int Subject: Re: Spike Date: Sun, Jun 24, 2001, 11:51 AM In a message dated 6/22/2001 10:49:37 PM Central Daylight Time, woodduckflds@... writes: > Lizz, please check your sources. I believe this is really incorrect > information. Everything I have read says that non-diabetics stay in normal > range. > > im sorry, but this is what MY doctor told me. lizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 Lizz, we all eat differently. A lot of us eat low carb, meaning (this is approximately) under 60 carbs per day, some of us eat moderate carb, which is approximately 100 grams of carb per day, and some of us eat higher carbs, some of us eat like you do, some of us eat ADA exchange plan. As always, this is such an individual disease. Some people can successfully eat foods that make my bs spike, and I can eat some foods that make the low carbers spike. Some people can eat more carbs and are on meds, some eat low carb and control with just diet and exercise. For instance, I am on a small amount of insulin by choice, get tons of exercise on my farm, and eat moderate carb, but only at certain times of the day, depending on my work load. I try not to eat many carbs at night, because then my fasting bs is high. Many of us test quite a lot in order to know what which foods do to us. Speaking as the moderator now, I try really hard for this NOT to be a low carb list. We all have different bodies and different ways of keeping under control. Welcome, Barb -------- > Arent all diabetics, type one or type 2 supposed to be on a low carb diet?? > By low carb I mean 45-60 grams per meal > that's the limitations my dietitian told me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 In a message dated 06/24/2001 8:28:09 PM Central Daylight Time, fencible@... writes: > Ok, so here's a great example of low carb zealotry in action.. " Common > sense would lead one to believe " .. > play nice dave.....i was asking for oppinions, not oppinions on oppinions. lizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 In a message dated 06/24/2001 8:34:06 PM Central Daylight Time, fencible@... writes: > Errr.. nope.. " common sense? " > Ya, it IS common sense, carbs turn into sugar, scientifically proven. And common sense would tell most people, including me, that it also does it in a diabetics body! Dave, can I ask you why your so rude? Having a bad day or something? Lizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 In a message dated 06/24/2001 8:43:54 PM Central Daylight Time, fencible@... writes: > Everyone is different. If you were to look at the archives, you will see > that I've said many, many times that I moderate carbs. That doesn't mean > that I eat moderate carbs, or low carbs, but I'm damn sure of everything > that goes in my mouth, and it works for me. > > -- > ahhhh, ok, i had thought you were just eatting a zillion carbs aday ya, as of right now, i prolly eat similar to you, BUT my body says to stop. i eat about 60 carbs a meal, and dont really balance protien too much. i also snack, and if i want a candy bar, or cake, i eat it, i was very early diagnosed, (i actually self diagnosed, then went to doc to prove it) so im early in the game, if i eat what i want and when i want to, i go up to about 170, rarely over 200. but if i keep doing this, i will one day find myself in a coma. anyway, i went off track........ Dave, i get what you mean now. thanks lizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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