Re: ID's

[Guest guest]

Isn't this pretty much already done? I mean, the services I've seen wear

their patch showing their level of certification and usually a patch showing

the organization for which they work. Then, as much as I can recall, I've

always seen either a name embroidered on the shirt or a name badge.

Although, some of the name badges are pretty hard to read because the name

on them is so small (maybe I need to start wearing my glasses more!). I

guess maybe, they are just making it mandatory and it wasn't before?

Take care, stay safe, and practice mercy, ya'll!!

Jana

FW,TX

Re: [texasems-L] ID's

> In a message dated 11/22/00 4:34:54 PM Central Standard Time,

> jhoskins@... writes:

>

> > Is that like a name plate or a picture ID?

> >

> > jay

>

> The rule doesn't specify what form it has to be in--it can be a name tag,

on

> your shirt, or whatever meets the requirements. The rule says that, if

you

> are on scene or on an in-service vehicle, you have to be prominently

> identified by name, level of certification or license, and department.

>

> Maxine

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/24/00 6:34:10 AM Pacific Standard Time,

medicgirl@... writes:

<< Isn't this pretty much already done? I mean, the services I've seen wear

their patch showing their level of certification and usually a patch showing

the organization for which they work. Then, as much as I can recall, I've

always seen either a name embroidered on the shirt or a name badge.

Although, some of the name badges are pretty hard to read because the name

on them is so small (maybe I need to start wearing my glasses more!). I

guess maybe, they are just making it mandatory and it wasn't before?

Take care, stay safe, and practice mercy, ya'll!!

Jana

FW,TX >>

Jana,

There are many First Responder organizations in Texas which have not worn any

type of identification which was visible. Think of the number of volunteer

fire departments in Texas who are also First Responders.

[Guest guest]

This rule will also affect the fire department I am

employed with. Our " dress " uniforms will easily meet

the requirement. Most days, however; we were T-shirts

that do identify the department, but have no rank or

name designation. The City issued all of us a City

ID, but the information contained on it isn’t

sufficient to comply. I think we’ll probably just go

to City Hall and have new ID’s made with all the

information required.

I think an easy solution for this is to simply create

a clip on type badge with your department logo,

department name, your first name, and your level of

certification. An ID Badge laminating machine can be

purchased for a reasonable amount of money. Several

neighboring departments could share in the expense of

this purchase. You can also check with nearby cities

and / or industries. Many have the machine that I

speak of. Simply clip the ID on your visor in your

car and you will always have it with you. What about

bunker gear ? Many fire departments wear bunker gear

to all or many EMS calls. Simple, clip on the ID

badge mentioned above onto the bunker coat.

I agree with the revealing of your full name. I have

worked in areas like county jails and the TDCJ and we

specifically only used first names or last names

depending on the facility for personal security

reasons.

The rule says the First Responder Organization

responsible for " assuring that all personnel, when on

scene, are prominently identified by name,

certification level, and organization. " You can read

the full text of the rule at

http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/hcqs/ems/14adopt.pdf The

real question here is what does the Bureau define the

term " name " as. I was unable to fine the term name in

any of the definitions. Therefore it is my belief

that the first name is sufficient to comply.

E. Tate, LP

Tyler, Texas

--- " S. Tatum " wrote:

> The rule doesn't affect many EMS agencies that have

> uniform requirements,

> but it is another one of those rules that forget

> about the volunteer

> agencies that have responders that may be answering

> calls dressed in many

> different ways.

>

> What about the dangers of revealing your full name

> to the bad guys we

> sometimes see???

>

> Any interpretations of the name requirement, i.e.

> First and Last or First

> or Last name only???

>

>

> Steve

>

> Re: [texasems-L] ID's

>

>

> > Isn't this pretty much already done? I mean, the

> services I've seen wear

> > their patch showing their level of certification

> and usually a patch

> showing..<snip>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Our Department issues plastic name tags of the clutch-back variety, with

either full names, or first initial/last names. We also have clip-on

laminated tags, with our departmentname/address/phone, member name/cert

level, and a copy of our shoulder patch.

Photo ID's? Someday.

The other agency in our county (I am with them also), has the same

combination of ID's, plus we embroider your name on your winter jacket or

polo-type shirt.

Barry E. McClung, Paramedic/Crew Chief

North Blanco County EMS

City, Texas

[Guest guest]

, your name & address are already public. That is all public records in

Texas. You don't have to give TDH permission. I can download it off their

website & know everything I need to know to contact you if I wanted to. That

is probably what the companies are doing. The information being released by TDH

is that allowed by law, nothing more, nothing less.

I don't nesc. agree with the address information being released, but hey, my

certification is a privilige & not a right, so I just go with the rules & learn

to like em.

Jay Hoskins

EMT

EMS Instructor

Texas Peace Officer (I have my name on my ID badge)

[texasems-L] ID's

With today's technology, and the availability of personal information is it

truly Wise to post Your full name On your ID badge? If it is so safe then why

don't our brothers in Blue (cops) have their full name on their ID badge?

Also, I do not recall giving TDH permission to sell my Name and address to

ANYONE. (i.e., have received multiple cards for employment in the Dallas

area).

LP

eGroups Sponsor

[Guest guest]

,

You don't have to give TDH the right to sell your name and ID. It is public

record, and anybody can find it out.

Why don't cops wear their full names? Many do. Not to do so inflames those

who are offended by their conduct and causes them to make calls to the FBI,

Civil Rights Commission, lawyers, and so forth. You can't hide, my friend.

You're responsible for who you are and what you do. Only the dumb cannot

find out who you are. Best not to give anyone a reason for wanting to find

out who you are.

What do we have to hide? Why this stuff about hiding our identities? The

implication is that we're doing something wrong that we want to hide from.

Gene G.

In a message dated 11/26/2000 11:38:26 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

water13985@... writes:

<< Subj: [texasems-L] ID's

Date: 11/26/2000 11:38:26 AM US Mountain Standard Time

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With today's technology, and the availability of personal information is it

truly Wise to post Your full name On your ID badge? If it is so safe then

why

don't our brothers in Blue (cops) have their full name on their ID badge?

Also, I do not recall giving TDH permission to sell my Name and address to

ANYONE. (i.e., have received multiple cards for employment in the Dallas

area).

LP

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[Guest guest]

Is my address public record on the TDH site? I am

personally tired of the snail spam, concerning EMS.

I'm also concerned about these arguments about

privacy. Some people are more private than others.

I've had my home phone number given by my old

employer, to someone claiming to be an old friend. Do

people have the right to that kind of info? If they

have an address, it's very easy to do a cross search

and get a phone number.

Also, about the debate about signing one's posts here.

Some people may not wish to sign a post if their

opinion clashes with their employer. I always sign my

posts, but many times I've had to bite my tongue

because what I wanted to say could get me in trouble

at work. People ought to be free to post here,

without fear of it being read by a boss and used

against them. I just saw a post where someone asked a

poster what agency they worked for. Is that really

necessary? Let's just try to respect people's right

to privacy, and allow them to feel comfortable in the

conversation.

Just so no one asks...

Connie Mundell EMT-P (7 years)

Rural Metro-Arlington

mother of one son (11 years)

owner of a rescued cat

daughter

sister

smoker

hockey fan

eBay seller

....did I forget anything?

--- wegandy@... wrote:

> ,

>

> You don't have to give TDH the right to sell your

> name and ID. It is public

> record, and anybody can find it out.

>

> Why don't cops wear their full names? Many do. Not

> to do so inflames those

> who are offended by their conduct and causes them to

> make calls to the FBI,

> Civil Rights Commission, lawyers, and so forth. You

> can't hide, my friend.

> You're responsible for who you are and what you do.

> Only the dumb cannot

> find out who you are. Best not to give anyone a

> reason for wanting to find

> out who you are.

>

> What do we have to hide? Why this stuff about

> hiding our identities? The

> implication is that we're doing something wrong that

> we want to hide from.

>

> Gene G.

>

> In a message dated 11/26/2000 11:38:26 AM US

> Mountain Standard Time,

> water13985@... writes:

>

> << Subj: [texasems-L] ID's

> Date: 11/26/2000 11:38:26 AM US Mountain Standard

> Time

> From: water13985@...

> Reply-to: egroups

> To: egroups

>

> With today's technology, and the availability of

> personal information is it

> truly Wise to post Your full name On your ID badge?

> If it is so safe then

> why

> don't our brothers in Blue (cops) have their full

> name on their ID badge?

> Also, I do not recall giving TDH permission to sell

> my Name and address to

> ANYONE. (i.e., have received multiple cards for

> employment in the Dallas

> area).

>

> LP

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes Connie, it is. They even have it broke down by regions.

Jay Hoskins

EMT/EMS Instr.

Re: [texasems-L] ID's

Is my address public record on the TDH site

[Guest guest]

May I weigh in?

First, I have nothing to hide, nor does many people on here and

elsewhere in EMS. I don't think that those who are concerned with

full disclosure are trying to hide anything, nor are advocating

anonimity. I think the underlying thought is to prevent making it

easy for those with less-than-honorable intentions to have

information that those specific individuals have no need for.

A few thoughts: Yes, almost all of our personal information is

available through TDH, if not our public service employers (not

trying to slight privates here). Yes, there are circumstances where

there is legitimate need/desire for identifying information. I choose

to look at it this way: If someone wants to complain or praise, they

will actively seek out the necessary information. If it not available

by ID, badge, nameplate, they (with the right amount of motivation)

will seek it out by one of the following:

-asking the individual

-calling the employer

-finding someone who does know the requisite information

-writing to the local paper editorial staff

I do not have a problem with someone having my full name, medic

number, run number, supervisor, etc.- I just do not volunteer these

items during routine contact.

" Hi, I'm Randy, from BFD Medic 1, your service number is 00-5991.

My supervisor's name is Tim Hardy, and my shoe size is 8-1/2.

What seems to be bothering you today? " -hehe, sorry, just doesn't

flow well

My plan is to identify by first name (more informal, builds rapport)

and go from there. If they want my full name or more, I'll give it to

them. If they want to file a complaint, I'll tell them my name is Ron

Haussecker.

Just kidding, Ron.

I hope all had a wonderful Thanksgiving!

God Bless,

R

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Randy Pitts, LP/NREMT-P

EMS Coordinator, C-Shift

Fire Department

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[Guest guest]

I can understand wanting to be anonymous when posting about your employer.

If that's the case, just say something to that effect. Of course, competent

computer geeks can find out who and where you are quite easily, but EMS

Managers wouldn't be expected to be that smart :~).

Please DO contribute and don't let me discourage you. Normally, however, we

do post our names.

Gene Gandy

[Guest guest]

I just remembered why I discontinued getting mail from this listserver. Oh

well, always good for a chuckle or two.